Munster vs Connacht, Fri 14th May 6pm; Eir Sport

Squidgy Black

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Munster had Casey, Healy and Daly all starting in the backs.

What about the pack ?

theVersatile

Damon Fluffy Tonsil wrote: »

What about the pack ?

Coombes originally in to start, withdrawn with illness.

But keep on moving the goal posts there.

Squidgy Black

Damon Fluffy Tonsil wrote: »

What about the pack ?

JOD who's the same age as Dillane, who was only brought in after Coombes withdrew through injury and Wycherley on the bench.

I'm not even a Munster fan and I can see it's clear they give youth a chance.

razorblunt

ClanofLams wrote: »

Munster last maul try was illegal too as Holland well in front and could easily have been picked up by tmo. Backwards pass that was leading to likely Connacht try & 24-7 scoreline ruled out although as pointed out by another poster original turnover by Connacht may have taken ball illegally from ruck.

Both sides got wrong decisions against them as happens every game but nothing to merit as strong a statement as that by Stander.

I wonder was it a build up of stuff from Jones over a few games and Stander thought he’ll have a pop now. He also had words after the whistle at the Ulster game.

Strumms

Surly a shoulder charge to a connacht players head, referee 6 meters away looking directly at it.

ClanofLams

razorblunt wrote: »

I wonder was it a build up of stuff from Jones over a few games and Stander thought he’ll have a pop now. He also had words after the whistle at the Ulster game.

Quite possibly as it does seem very strong reaction and maybe a bit of frustration as I’m sure he would love to end Munster career with trophy.

Zzippy

Ahem! We kept it to 20 points

Zzippy wrote: »

Munster just have to maul it and they'll stroll home. We'll be lucky to keep it to 20 points.

Strumms

What does Joy Neville be looking at ?

Zzippy

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster had every opportunity to win that game. They gifted two tries to Connacht.

That somehow makes it even sweeter

Akrasia

Zzippy wrote: »

That somehow makes it even sweeter

and rightly so. your team forced mistakes, and made us hurt. and punished our unforced errors. Thats how to win interpros

thomond2006

Zzippy wrote: »

That somehow makes it even sweeter

Committing robbery in an away match is a sweet victory.

Zzippy

Strumms wrote: »

What does Joy Neville be looking at ?

When she's working, generally a rugby match on a tv screen. Can't speak for the rest of her time.

leakyboots

Enjoyed that game, despite losing. Rainbow Cup is great craic so far, games involving the Irish teams anyway.

We had enough opportunities to win it and didn't take them, idiotic penalties and errors.

Congrats Connacht!

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/echolivecork/status/1393441050937729026?s=19

thomond2006

I've watched the knock on decision for the Conway try and I don't see anything clear and obvious. Munster can feel aggrieved at that one.

molloyjh

thomond2006 wrote: »

I've watched the knock on decision for the Conway try and I don't see anything clear and obvious. Munster can feel aggrieved at that one.

It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

Shaka Hislop

If you give away 2 sloppy trys, and then don't keep your discipline in the game....you're giving the officials a chance to come into play, and that doesn't always end well.
This defeat is on sloppy Munster play, but that doesn't mean the officiating has to be ignored ..we deserve better, it's that simple

aloooof

molloyjh wrote: »

It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

That’s a different incident than the one Thomond is referring to tho, no?

eclipsechaser

molloyjh wrote: »

It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

Was there not also a Connacht hand at the breakdown searching for the ball? I couldn't see how it went forward - could have been a knock-on or a kick from Munster - but I thought it was at least possible that it was the Connacht player getting a hand to it and knocking it back towards themself.

That might be the least likely option but if it's not clear, you probably shouldn't be canceling the try.

SqueakyKneecap

Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.

molloyjh

aloooof wrote: »

That’s a different incident than the one Thomond is referring to tho, no?

Maybe. I didn't see the game, just a couple of highlights. If so then disregard.

Shaka Hislop

SqueakyKneecap wrote: »

Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.

Thought so too at the time, haven't seen a replay yet though

theVersatile

Full match link:

https://youtu.be/pZHUARFCru8

Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.

Akrasia

leakyboots wrote: »

Enjoyed that game, despite losing. Rainbow Cup is great craic so far, games involving the Irish teams anyway.

We had enough opportunities to win it and didn't take them, idiotic penalties and errors.

Congrats Connacht!

Anything to be said for an annual inter pro series?

Akrasia

molloyjh wrote: »

It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

In fairness, nobody wants every single call to be correct but when tries are involved they are game changing decisions

SqueakyKneecap

theVersatile wrote: »

Full match link:

https://youtu.be/pZHUARFCru8

Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.

Hard to tell for sure but in hindsight I think that was a fair call.

Former Former Former

molloyjh wrote: »

It was a tight one but of it wasn't a knock on then the ball was kicked into Archer so was accidental offside. And even if that didn't happen it was so hard to call that nobody can feel aggrieved. No team ever gets every tight call their way and if that's what they need to win games then they don't deserve to win them. That call wasn't some crazy decision thst clearly went against all evidence ending up as a wild miscarriage of justice. So Munster need to just get over it.

Absolutely. Either knocked on or accidental offside but the try couldn't stand either way.

It was an entertaining game for the neutral and the utter lack of any semblance of discipline on either side was hilarious.

Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.

ridonkulous

Former Former Former wrote: »

Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.

What did he say?

guapos

Will be interesting to see what pro 14 do about Standers comments. Should be a ban but don't see it happening.

connachta

Akrasia wrote: »

Anything to be said for an annual inter pro series?

I'd be in favour of the Aviva inauguration format, reducing it to a single game every summer for those for can feel ill-treated for not being picked with Ireland




Munster/Connacht vs Leinster/Ulster would be great with 2 strong XV;

Former Former Former

ridonkulous wrote: »

What did he say?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-40289963

SqueakyKneecap

SqueakyKneecap wrote: »

Any replays of the Connacht "forward pass" from late in the first half btw? I thought it was harsh at the time but would need to see it again really.

It was a clear try, nuts to call it,

Sabre0001

Former Former Former wrote: »

Absolutely. Either knocked on or accidental offside but the try couldn't stand either way.

It was an entertaining game for the neutral and the utter lack of any semblance of discipline on either side was hilarious.

Absolute dick comment from CJ about the ref too.

Still a different incident. The knock on called on the try was by DDA.

Not a great comment from CJ. He may be retiring but Munster still in action and will have same ref again at some point. He took over captaincy from POM it seems so you'd imagine Peter had similar outlook but was keeping it to himself.

Ref didn't help but Munster can only blame themselves... Lineout misfiring at crucial moments again, didn't protect the ball enough at times, didn't slow connacht ball, stupid penalties and brain fades, little offered in backline, and a couple of costly errors (stray pass from casey and restart that both led to tries).

connachta

connachta wrote: »

I'd be in favour of the Aviva inauguration format, reducing it to a single game every summer for those for can feel ill-treated for not being picked with Ireland


Munster/Connacht vs Leinster/Ulster would be great with 2 strong XV;

+ it would offer a proper hurrah to those leaving, like Wolfhound/Baabaas did for some rare.


You'd have


Buckely vs McGrath
Marshall vs Cronin
Ryan vs Moore
Wycherley vs Carter
Kleyn vs Toner
Coombes vs Doris
Boyle vs Murphy (Josh or Jordi)
CJ vs Coetze
Marmion vs Cooney
Carty vs Madigan
T.Daly vs Hume
C or T Farrell vs O'Brien or O'Loughlin
Wooton vs Lyttle
S.Daly vs Baloucoune
Porch vs Addison


J.Cronin vs EOS
Delahunt vs McBurney
Aungier vs Bent
Roux vs O'Connor
Prendergast vs Penny
Blade vs L.McGrath
B.Healy vs Frawley
Gallagher vs Lowry


None in the Irish 35 but
Tasty

Shelflife

Why did Munster change captain during the game ?

yerrahbah

Cant give the opposition two tries and not expect o be punished

That said we were still in with a chance right until the end.

Munster were playing against a really strong wind in the 1st half,

And then in the 2nd half comms seem to mentioned that the wind died down and there was a downpour.

Lineout is still malfunctioning at crucial times, We are still hit and miss at receiving restarts and still giving away daft penalties

JOD seemed too wound up last night, had a suspect clearout on halfway in the 2nd half and had that nonsense with Papali'i which caused O'Mahonys try to be overturned

The maul wasn't the weapon I'd hoped it would be and I'd say we had crazy possession and territory stats in the 2nd half but just couldn't find the scores

Scrum was well on top in the fist half, Was swapping out the Connacht props just before H/T and Connacht surviving that scrum the difference between winning and losing the game?

Most frustrating part is that a win last night would have given us a clear pathway to the final, Now not so sure

eagle eye

theVersatile wrote:

Connacht forward pass incident at 35:50 video time.

Look backwards out of his hand to me.

Tomtom364

eagle eye wrote: »

Look backwards out of his hand to me.

Whooton offside at the ruck anyway

Buer

The offload to Casey seconds beforehand was far more forward to my eye. Player falling to the ground offloaded just outside the 22. Casey catches the ball 1m inside the 22.

I don't think momentum was really the decisive factor given he was going to ground, it appears to go in a forward motion directly out of the hands.

Wootton potentially offside at the ruck but there's a grey area there as to whether the Munster player who goes over the top is part of the ruck. Wootton was certainly onside when the ruck was formed.

I wouldn't be too harsh on the referee for calling the pass forward. It certainly went significantly forward due to the speed of the move and momentum. The floated pass presented a bad picture, highlighting just how further down the pitch the ball was caught. In a passage being played at such pace, the referee is going to make a snap call on what he can see.

Burkie1203

Buer wrote: »

The offload to Casey seconds beforehand was far more forward to my eye. Player falling to the ground offloaded just outside the 22. Casey catches the ball 1m inside the 22.

I don't think momentum was really the decisive factor given he was going to ground, it appears to go in a forward motion directly out of the hands.

Wootton potentially offside at the ruck but there's a grey area there as to whether the Munster player who goes over the top is part of the ruck. Wootton was certainly onside when the ruck was formed.

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

His reaction to Papaili freeing himself and getting back in the defensive line was awful. AP pushes him on the head and has no interest in getting involved.

Beirne also had Buckley I think in a headlock on 65 which was ignored.


Standers post match comments are bizarre. The wording to me suggests there is a prevailing thought in Munster camp that they feel the refs are out to get them. "I can say it now, I'm done"

Former Former Former

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Watched the game back. JOD was very lucky. A few ruck entries about 10 min from the end, one looked like he definitely connected with the connacht locks head with his upper arm.

His reaction to Papaili freeing himself and getting back in the defensive line was awful. AP pushes him on the head and has no interest in getting involved.

Beirne also had Buckley I think in a headlock on 65 which was ignored.


Standers post match comments are bizarre. The wording to me suggests there is a prevailing thought in Munster camp that they feel the refs are out to get them. "I can say it now, I'm done"

Saw the headlock all right,

Coach and players owns the culture created

thomond2006

In all three interpros Munster have played in the RC, there's been a lot of niggle and off the ball stuff. I think it worked to Munster's advantage in the win at the RDS.

Madeoface

Former Former Former wrote: »

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

I thought kilcoyne was at it too. Around 66 minutes seemed to attempt shoulder straight to head. Missed his target in another missile ruck entry earlier but Joy finally picked up on the elbow use later on (may have been the captain s challenge). Borderline. Wasn't sure if it was him or jod at the genge type elbows on the ground, same dodgy Barnet.

To hear CJ whinge about the ref after was a bit rich tho and disappointing from such a warrior. I thought it was reffed fairly from a neutrals perspective. A lot of niggles, could have been more stoppages.

leakyboots

Former Former Former wrote: »

He tried to take Wootton out of it with a sliding tackle too. Absolute liability all game.

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

freyners

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

Actually he went in knees first so not sure how thats going for the ball

Buer

leakyboots wrote: »

Absolute nonsense. Dived for the ball.

"Sliding tackle", give over

He absolutely didn't dive for the ball. He went in knees first with no chance of winning the ball as per attached image. He then collided with Wootton. It was a penalty at worst but JOD had no hope of winning possession nor was there a genuine attempt to do so.

As I posted previously, I've never seen JOD so wound up for a match. He actually had a good game generally but his discipline was all over the place.

Squidgy Black

Buer wrote: »

He absolutely didn't dive for the ball. He went in knees first with no chance of winning the ball as per attached image. He then collided with Wootton. It was a penalty at worst but JOD had no hope of winning possession nor was there a genuine attempt to do so.

As I posted previously, I've never seen JOD so wound up for a match. He actually had a good game generally but his discipline was all over the place.

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

Zeugnis

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

But he didn't stay on his feet. JOD caught his legs with his arm and he went down on an almost perfect horizontal. But Wooton was utterly nonplussed, just picked himself up and got on with it.

Akrasia

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Thought at the time he got quite lucky that Wootton was able to stay on his feet and had anticipated the slide.

Wooten was anting the maggot too, he deliberately relayed touching the ball down until the last second

When JOD went for that ball lit was in play