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Chu 4 Curfews

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    #32
    jimgoose
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    conorhal wrote: »
    ...our 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and general lack of civic responsibility is 'why we can't have nice things'..

    I think at least some of it has to do with automatically jumping down the throats people who have nothing to do with the cause of the problem, but who were trying to make the very point that anti-social behaviour without consequences is the real issue. ;)


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    #33
    biko
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    Portobello Plaza curfew being considered to prevent 'completely unacceptable' anti-social behaviour
    The Portobello Plaza in Dublin is being closed this weekend and gardaí will be mounting an operation to prevent large crowds gathering there over the weekend.
    The area has become a hotspot for outdoor drinkers during lockdown with residents complaining of rubbish being strewn all over the plaza and people urinating on the streets
    It's not uncommon to close parks but open spaces?


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    enricoh wrote: »
    Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.

    The budget for Dublin City Council is just over 1 billion euros. So those 4 wages are just a tiny percentage. If these were specialist toilet cleaners, with a salary of 50k a year each the yearly cost would be 200k. The percentage of the overall yearly budget that would take up is 0.002%.


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    #35
    Gregor Samsa
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    A curfew is an order requiring people to be in their homes during a certain time period.

    Closing a public space at certain times is not a curfew.

    But this story involves Current Affairs' favourite villain Hazel Chu, so I guess anything goes.


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    #36
    freshpopcorn
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    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    A curfew is an order requiring people to be in their homes during a certain time period.

    Closing a public space at certain times is not a curfew.

    But this story involves Current Affairs' favourite villain Hazel Chu, so I guess anything goes.

    I get the impression it was Hazel that called it a curfew to be fair.


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    #37
    jippo nolan
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    enricoh wrote: »
    Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.

    That was probably Pat McDonagh!


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    #38
    donaghs
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    conorhal wrote: »
    Talk about an attitude that's the epitome of WHY the problem is a problem in the first place.
    The irish and our 'I'm alright Jack' attitude and general lack of civic responsibility is 'why we can't have nice things'.


    The 'same reason' you’re talking about is anti-social behaviour.
    The answer to junkies in the jax isn't closing all the public toilets. The answer to litter bug Larry isn't removing all the bins from the streets and the answer to anti-social behaviour in Portobello isn't closing down public spaces, it's addressing the root of the problem.
    If Hazel thinks that withdrawing public amenities from people is the answer to the problem then she has no place in government, local or national. We need politicians that want to fix problems, not sweep them under the carpet and penalize everybody other than the offenders, those politicians need to get out of the way of others prepared to offer solutions that make everybody’s life better, not worse.

    In this instance I think she’s right. Definitely address the root of the problem. but for people living around there, it’s an intolerable situation which needs some fast action. Temporarily closing this small space at night is a small measure. This isn’t the Reichstag Fire, slippery slope to autocracy.


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    #39
    Donald Trump
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    jippo nolan wrote: »
    enricoh wrote: »
    Was chatting to a lad in that Barack Obama plaza he was cleaning the toilets. He said he was in them full time basically to stop claims. No doubt there was someone in the women's jacks as well. Dunno what hours it opens but it'd be open 80hrs a week anyway- so 4 wages at least. A fairly substantial cost per annum.
    That was probably Pat McDonagh!


    :eek:




    Poor Pat. I doubt very much that that is true


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    #40
    dirtyden
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    On the rubbish issue, I was talking with my father about this last night. I lived in a foreign city in the city centre. Our rubbish collection was paid for out of our taxes so we didn't need to buy a tag, or a sticker or whatever and the bins were collected every two days. Result? The place was spotless.

    On the public toilet issue, they had a number of public toilets, manned by well, a man, or often a little old lady. She'd charge a small nominal charge, and if you genuinely didn't have it, she'd let you in, but the charge was to dissuade loitering. He/she kept the place clean and generally kept an eye on the place. Another very easy to implement solution we seem unable to do here.

    Which city is this you speak of?


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    #41
    Annasopra
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    I genuinely find this hard to believe..does anyone think curfews are acceptable? I certainly dont. i would have thought this request by a lord mayor would be all over the news and justifiably ridiculed.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/portobello-plaza-curfew-being-considered-20618751

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    Its closed at the moment and she wants to open it up but have times where people would then be moved on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #42
    Annasopra
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    Marcusm wrote: »
    That should have been taken by DCC when designing and building the plaza, however. It’s not an enclosed public space and this not susceptible to control in the same manner as an enclosed park. DCC has created a space which would only be enforceable by a permanent police presence, ie they have created the probablility (used advisable) of a problem but want someone else to sort it out.

    I have sympathy for those living locally and I abhor the unlawful congregation but especially the mess. However, DCC needs to find a solution it can implement.

    This is a proposed solution. Open it up then at night people will be moved on. Sounds reasonable.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #43
    c.p.w.g.w
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There is no such law.

    Please try again

    Dublin City Council have bye-laws which make consuming alcohol in public illegal


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    #44
    jippo nolan
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    :eek:




    Poor Pat. I doubt very much that that is true

    Pat would eat sh^}e to save money!


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    #45
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    I genuinely find this hard to believe..does anyone think curfews are acceptable? I certainly dont. i would have thought this request by a lord mayor would be all over the news and justifiably ridiculed.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/portobello-plaza-curfew-being-considered-20618751

    They are not and its classist.


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    #46
    Quantum Erasure
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    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    A curfew is an order requiring people to be in their homes during a certain time period.

    Closing a public space at certain times is not a curfew.

    But this story involves Current Affairs' favourite villain Hazel Chu, so I guess anything goes.

    Ye don't have to go home, but you can't stay here...


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    #47
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Seems like a sensible enough proposal


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    #48
    suicide_circus
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    Tax or Ban

    The solution to all problems in Ireland


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    #49
    _Kaiser_
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    On the rubbish issue, I was talking with my father about this last night. I lived in a foreign city in the city centre. Our rubbish collection was paid for out of our taxes so we didn't need to buy a tag, or a sticker or whatever and the bins were collected every two days. Result? The place was spotless.

    Also known as Dublin/Ireland before the privatisation of bin collection.

    Now we pay yet another expensive charge to companies that operate as a cartel or monopoly in some areas, and illegal dumping is rampant.

    Progress eh!


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    #50
    _Kaiser_
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Tax or Ban

    The solution to all problems in Ireland

    Very true.

    Methinks though that this is just Chu trying to keep herself in the media more than anything though.


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    #51
    suicide_circus
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Very true.

    Methinks though that this is just Chu trying to keep herself in the media more than anything though.

    When she was plain old Mayor Chu she was in favour of more public toilets:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hazechu/status/1333401351460687874

    Now that she's seeking election in the constituency where Portobello is located, she's in favour of banning access to public spaces altogether..hmmm


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    #52
    paw patrol
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    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Seems like a sensible enough proposal

    It's not.
    The gardai should ensure order as is their job.
    closing down parts of the city is an admission of failure on the part of the state and a restriction on the lives of all citizens not just the ones she is upset with.


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    #53
    [Deleted User]
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    dirtyden wrote: »
    Which city is this you speak of?

    Brno, Czech Republic.


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    #54
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    paw patrol wrote: »
    It's not.
    The gardai should ensure order as is their job.
    closing down parts of the city is an admission of failure on the part of the state and a restriction on the lives of all citizens not just the ones she is upset with.

    Its much better than it being closed


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    #55
    paw patrol
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    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Its much better than it being closed

    i know what you are saying but that's like a punch in the face is better than a kick in the nuts.

    If there was a riot id' get it but general anti social stuff just plant the gardai there and arrest or fine those that misbehave (if warranted)


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    #56
    Marcos
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    When she was plain old Mayor Chu she was in favour of more public toilets:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hazechu/status/1333401351460687874

    Now that she's seeking election in the constituency where Portobello is located, she's in favour of banning access to public spaces altogether..hmmm

    Someone gets it.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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    #57
    suicide_circus
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    If we blocked off all public spaces there would be no public order issues...


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