F1 2021 Round 5 : Monaco GP

lolie

Listening to Leclerc speak he's such a likable fella.

quokula

quokula wrote: »

Precedent for this from 2006 (which looked far more like a genuine mistake) is that Leclerc should be put to the back of the grid.

Do you actually think Schumacher's looked more like a genuine mistake?

namloc1980

quokula wrote: »

Precedent for this from 2006 (which looked far more like a genuine mistake) is that Leclerc should be put to the back of the grid.

Schumacher parked his car at Rascasse. Literally just dumped it there. Leclercs was a high speed error.

Inquitus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Schumacher parked his car at Rascasse. Literally just dumped it there. Leclercs was a high speed error.

Aye Schumacher was cynical as feck, Charles just lost it and he may pay the price if he damaged the gearbox, definitely not intentional.

quokula

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you actually think Schumacher's looked more like a genuine mistake?

He locked tyres as he brakes slightly too late. Leclerc’s insanely early turn in into the wall was far more suspicious.

Harika

Didn't Schumacher afterwards confirm that he did it on purpose? Or got caught by the Stewart's?

pjohnson

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It looked like me playing the F1 game years on the PlayStation and making balls of it.

I could fly through that section fine.

I always fúcked badly at Rascasse however. Just never found a good line.

klose

Slo-mo replay and all that, but leclerc was a good bit off clearing that corner that he clipped and lead to the crash so some people will of course start thinking he may have been deliberate.

If leclerc retains his pole it sets it up for an interesting one tomorrow for the championship, max has a real opportunity to reel back in Hamiltons lead.

Other observations, itialian jesus with a good quali, vettel seems to be improving race by race, Danny ric still a bit to go. Is alonso over the hill? Gasly with p6 is very very good.

namloc1980

quokula wrote: »

He locked tyres as he brakes slightly too late. Leclerc’s insanely early turn in into the wall was far more suspicious.

Perhaps you are misremembering but he parked the car and made zero attempt to get going again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdBJ82NV2Pw

And Leclerc did not do an insanely early turn ffs. Did you even watch it??

Inquitus

Harika wrote: »

Didn't Schumacher afterwards confirm that he did it on purpose? Or got caught by the Stewart's?

I don't think he ever admitted it was done on purpose, he was relegated to starting in the pitlane by the stewards however.

jammiedodgers

For anyone new to the sport (like me!) there's been a couple of incidents like this before it seems.

Edit: I should add I'm not saying Charles did this on purpose.

Sabre0001

People make mistakes at Monaco all the time. Risky to bin it into a wall to red flag the session. Lot of work for the ferrari mechanics now and if there's gearbox damage it could cost him pole. Stranger things have happened in f1 but I don't see it...

Burkie1203

Ted Kravitz asking toto is LEC crashed deliberately.

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Ted Kravitz asking toto is LEC crashed deliberately.

Gonna guess Toto's answer was a bit ****-stirring and if it was his driver involved and someone else said what he said he'd be completely indignant.

Harika

At least no complaining about Hamilton winning from pole again.
Btw Gasly in front of him....
Also on the same row with Vettel, should bring up memories

namloc1980

I mean, why would he deliberately crash at a high speed section and put his car at serious risk of damage? Makes zero sense.

Harika

namloc1980 wrote: »

I mean, why would he deliberately crash at a high speed section and put his car at serious risk of damage? Makes zero sense.

Yeah he had a fighting chance to get pole position so makes no sense to cheat

namloc1980

Harika wrote: »

Yeah he had a fighting chance to get pole position so makes no sense to cheat

At worst he'd be P2 if Max pulled off a massively quick lap. Again it makes no sense.

Comparisons to Schumacher in 2006 are nonsense. Schumacher parked his car on the corner at a slow speed section. In addition we all know Schumacher had history of shiithousery.

Leclerc isn't that type of driver and deliberately crashing at a high speed corner makes no sense whatsoever.

artanevilla

namloc1980 wrote: »

At worst he'd be P2 if Max pulled off a massively quick lap. Again it makes no sense.

Comparisons to Schumacher in 2006 are nonsense. Schumacher parked his car on the corner at a slow speed section. In addition we all know Schumacher had history of shiithousery.

Leclerc isn't that type of driver and deliberately crashing at a high speed corner makes no sense whatsoever.

Particularly when he may have damaged his gearbox and incurred a penalty.

For the way he crashed the outcome he had was close to as bad as it could be. IF one were doing that deliberately one would expect to run straight on and only really damage the front.

There's no damning evidence but on balance it looks deliberate to me.

namloc1980

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For the way he crashed the outcome he had was close to as bad as it could be. IF one were doing that deliberately one would expect to run straight on and only really damage the front.

There's no damning evidence but on balance it looks deliberate to me.

Latifi had the same incident in FP3 by turning a fraction early at that same corner, clipping the barrier and wrecking his car. Was that deliberate too?

Faugheen

There has always been an underbelly around here to undermine LeClerc and question if he's good enough.

Think anyone suggesting he did this on purpose is mad. There are so many other ways he could have done this without damaging his car and risking a gearbox change.

pjohnson

Theres far easier ways to get the session red flagged than doing that.

ACitizenErased

The fact that the discussion as to whether it was deliberate is even happening is utterly ludicrous

Frank Bullitt

Cracking qualy.

It gives you hope for the race...but let's be real here.

Jordan 199

Ferrari said they will make a decision about Leclerc's gearbox tomorrow, but it has no serious damage.

Inquitus

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Ferrari said they will make a decision about Leclerc's gearbox tomorrow, but it has no serious damage.

If they think there's no damage then they have to stick with it, if he takes a 5 place grid penalty he has no chance of winning.

namloc1980

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Ferrari said they will make a decision about Leclerc's gearbox tomorrow, but it has no serious damage.

Which would indicate there's some damage. Probably a choice between putting in a new gearbox, taking the 5 place grid penalty but having virtually no chance of winning versus driving with the gearbox as is from pole and hoping it doesn't fail during the race. I'd risk it if I was them.

Guffy

If they change the gearbox and gets the penalty... does Max then officially finish pole or does ferrari keep the pole stat?

TheQ_Man

Guffy wrote: »

If they change the gearbox and gets the penalty... does Max then officially finish pole or does ferrari keep the pole stat?

Yup. It happened in 2012 with Schumacher. Webber got the pole

Hijpo

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I'll say it again but Ted is a giant plonker. Apart from his punch-able face he really loves trying to stir up and make drama.

Yeah, he couldn't leave it alone. Actually made me like toto a bit more that he publicly rubbished any thoughts of it being done intentionally. He could have easily dodged the question and left it all open for media to keep suggesting it. Fair play toto

LollipopJimmy

What did Toto say?

Hijpo

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

What did Toto say?

That it would be silly to have such an impact like that intentionally.

Joeface

Even Nico told Ted to stop just before qualifing as he (Ted) seem to look for an accident to throw a spanner into qualifing. As the years go on he has be come more and more of a Tabloid rag journalist.

johnnysmack

Joeface wrote: »

Even Nico told Ted to stop just before qualifing as he (Ted) seem to look for an accident to throw a spanner into qualifing. As the years go on he has be come more and more of a Tabloid rag journalist.

Nico is terrific. Lazenby made a smart remark at some stage and Nico straight up said 'that's not funny'. More Nico either on commentary or as a presenter would be great as he's always bang on with his insights and doesn't tolerate the tabloid crap banter that many of the sky crew are guilty of.

chicorytip

I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

Harika

chicorytip wrote: »

I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

Someone should check on Leclerc simulator if he practiced to crash without damaging gearbox/engine.

Btw this whole garbage was started by Crofty with his statement Charles might be on pole if he doesn't get a gearbox penalty

RunningFlyer

Just caught up now. No way did he do it intentionally IMO but I was a bit surprised by the celebratory reaction afterward from Ferrari and Charles. I understand it’s his home GP so a huge achievement but thought he would be more downbeat having damaged the car quite significantly.

I hope for him he does start on pole, but either way a cracking session and a great lineup in top-10.

Hope there’s some action of some sort tomorrow!

PS. +1 for the Rosberg commentary, really enjoyed his inputs

Joeseph Balls

chicorytip wrote: »

I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

So skillful that he can hit a barrier, break the steering rod, go across track, smack the front of the car, followed by a lesser bang to the rear, just enough to not damage the gearbox, to get pole.
Yet not skillful enough to finish a Monaco GP yet?

Joeseph Balls

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

So skillful that he can hit a barrier, break the steering rod, go across track, smack the front of the car, followed by a lesser bang to the rear, just enough to not damage the gearbox, to get pole.
Yet not skillful enough to finish a Monaco GP yet?

The damage he got was about as bad as you'd expect from that kind of accident. Most of the time hitting the inside barrier like that would just mean front-end damage.

mikeorange

chicorytip wrote: »

I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

I don't think it was but what a lap he put in.

Almost sub 1:10 and nearly a lap record, which I thought would be impossible as cars are clearly slower than last year and 2019

Joeseph Balls

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The damage he got was about as bad as you'd expect from that kind of accident. Most of the time hitting the inside barrier like that would just mean front-end damage.

Most of the time.
But to say it was intentional is a bit much. There is other places he could have dumped it if he was skillful enough.
It's convenient, yes. Intentional due to his skill, no.

Joeseph Balls

mikeorange wrote: »

I don't think it was but what a lap he put in.

Almost sub 1:10 and nearly a lap record, which I thought would be impossible as cars are clearly slower than last year and 2019

He said on channel 4 this weekend is a once off. Leaves it very interesting for tomorrow

El_Duderino 09

chicorytip wrote: »

I think it was a deliberate act by LeClerc to cause the crash rather than his own error. He is skillful and experienced enough to be able to engineer an impact that would cause no damage to the gearbox. He knows this track better than anyone else. Kravitz is only giving voice to what the rest of the paddock is thinking. Even Sainz, his own team mate, clearly had suspicions judging by his comments and body language.

Ah lads, come on.
It looked like the kind of accident that happens every year in Monaco. Latifi did it yesterday. Verstappen did it in quali a few years ago. It happens.

But where did the notion that it could have damaged the gearbox come form? He didn't hit the barrier at very high speed and didn't hit the back end much at all. Sounds like total made up, click-bait guff to me and Ferrari said it's no bother to the gearbox.

Faugheen

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah lads, come on.
It looked like the kind of accident that happens every year in Monaco. Latifi did it yesterday. Verstappen did it in quali a few years ago. It happens.

But where did the notion that it could have damaged the gearbox come form? He didn't hit the barrier at very high speed and didn't hit the back end much at all. Sounds like total made up, click-bait guff to me and Ferrari said it's no bother to the gearbox.

I think the concern for the gearbox comes in due to a close (and quite exposed) proximity to the rear suspension.

I don't know the full ins and outs of the car though and that was something that was suggested to me. Happy to be corrected on that.

Ya need to smash your rear axle or have direct impact to the gearbox to cause a real problem.

Hijpo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ya need to smash your rear axle or have direct impact to the gearbox to cause a real problem.

Roseberg had asked leclerc if what he heard was true in that the drive shaft popped out but leclerc had no info.

tigerboon

Can a thread be opened in the conspiracy theory forum on this. The Ferrari performed better than it did in 2 years. Why would he put it through a rebuild and risk a lesser set up for tomorrow. He's really an exceptional driver if he can calculate the damage from a deliberate crash and know he'll hold a position.

namloc1980

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The car is ok. The conspiracy theorists will be going into overdrive.

PukkaStukka

namloc1980 wrote: »

The car is ok. The conspiracy theorists will be going into overdrive.

Glad to hear he's starting on pole. Some of those conspiracy theories on social media are both ridiculous and downright scurrilous