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lawred2

Faugheen wrote: »

You don't need to imagine anything because it has happened.

Yeah I'm sure it has.

I suppose it's more I can't imagine not being aware of what you're doing or that what you're doing is so horrendously evil and wrong.

But then I'm not a paid psychiatrist.

He's a gentleman. Heartbreaking.

Mam of 4

This is heartbreaking, the poor man has incredible inner strength, honouring his children , celebrating their lives and making sure they're not forgotten .

Mecrab

This is such a hard watch.

BettePorter

Sweet mother of holy jesus how does he function !!!! Heartbreaking.

Seathrun66

tastyt wrote: »

A friend of mine is an ex prison officer , he had his throat slashed by an inmate with a blade and was very lucky not to be killed .

However it has had a detrimental effect on his life in the years afterwards in many many ways and he will never be the same .

The inmate had a very strong and vocal backing from the prison psychiatrist who said they were insane and it was not his intention or fault .

So instead of what was attempted murder and however long a sentence that would be he spent a few years in the CMH and was released .

It’s a total different situation and a very hard to thing to gauge what is right and what’s wrong but it doesn’t sit right .

She said in court that because now she is on anti depressants she feels fine and could go back to work and it’s a pity she wasn’t on them before she murdered her young family .

I don’t know but is it not her responsibility to look for help or go to a doctor when she is that low instead of what she did ?

I worked in this area for two decades in London. Unwell people doing the most horrific things and then utterly peaceful when on medication. Absolutely capable of living in the community but with essential monitoring by social services.

In terms of seeking help, when unwell many people lose all rationality and logic so therefore the obvious steps are not obvious to them

And that's a terrifying thing to happen to your pal. I hope he'll be okay in the long run.

Boggerman12

There are no words watching this.god help that man.hope he gets the answers he needs and gets some peace and solice.

Seathrun66

monkeybutter wrote: »

Was she out on bail during this?


Why has she not finished the job? How could anyone not after doing this


Has anyone been released after this?

Why are people commenting without reading the case. The ignorance and reactionary stuff is something to behold.

She is detained in a psychiatric institution.

Faugheen

I love that despite their short lives, Andrew McGinley is doing everything in his power to ensure they have a legacy.

Very inspirational.

sporina

i am leaving this thread now, for obvious reasons.. again.. none as queer as folk.. sometimes I am ashamed to be human

crooked cockney villain

lawred2 wrote: »

I can't ever imagine seeing a verdict of not guilty by reason of insanity for a father.

The silence from the usual feminist rent a gobs is deafening.

I'm not saying she should or should not be in prison et al. Just staggering the reception given to this vs Alan Hawe, who for whatever reason was deemed perfectly sane, lucid, responsible etc. Also, Graham Dwyer was shown to have a God complex/ obsession via the absolute batshyt essay found on his laptop where he said God was his hero because he created and took life, and that Dwyer, having created three lives, had the right to take a few as well.

Dwyer is clearly completely mad, but there is not a hope he could have successfully pled guilty by reason of insanity. It would be argued that God complex or not he was clearly aware murder was illegal. I believe this is why some jurors dragged their heels today- regardless of what the shrinks said in their reports, aspects such as a suicide note saying sorry, waiting until the husband was away 24 hours before trying all this, to the layman these seemed to indicate at least some acknowledgement that this activity was not spur of the moment and there was an awareness that it was immoral, illegal and would be harder to complete with the husband nearby.


It does seem a strange system whereby the defence and DPP can agree on an outcome but require a jury to essentially rubber stamp it.

TomSweeney

I wonder if it was the father , would it be "mental illness" ? or would he just be a murderer ?

3 children have been murdered and people have sympathy for the killer for "mental illness" ...

py2006

Wow, watching Primetime brought on the tears for me. That poor man is showing immense strength.

pjohnson

This man is amazing. The things that specimen put him through and still so strong.

Faugheen

TomSweeney wrote: »

I wonder if it was the father , would it be "mental illness" ? or would he just be a murderer ?

3 children have been murdered and people have sympathy for the killer for "mental illness" ...

Sigh...

Two psychiatrists, one from the defence and one from the prosecution, found her to be nowhere near of sound mind.

Lets ignore the facts of the case and the testimonies of those who are actually qualified to carry out these assessments.

Beechwoodspark

All I can say is Lock her up throw away the key

MoonUnit75

Faugheen wrote: »

Sigh...

Two psychiatrists, one from the defence and one from the prosecution, found her to be nowhere near of sound mind.

Lets ignore the facts of the case and the testimonies of those who are actually qualified to carry out these assessments.

Weren't you doing the same earlier when it came to discussing the Hawe case?

pjohnson

This his channel the father set up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es22OiIvWug

And his fundraiser charity is

https://asdarraghdid.ie/about/

Curse These Metal Hands

Faugheen wrote: »

Sigh...

Two psychiatrists, one from the defence and one from the prosecution, found her to be nowhere near of sound mind.

Lets ignore the facts of the case and the testimonies of those who are actually qualified to carry out these assessments.

Says they who rubbished the evidence of Prof Kennedy earlier. You're all over the place.

py2006

https://www.conorsclips.ie/

Ellie2008

Faugheen wrote: »

According to two qualified psychiatrists, no she didn't.

You have read one line in her statement to Gardai that might suggest that but like I said, I will trust two psychiatrists who combined would have spent hours assessing her over someone who is clearly looking for a reason to doubt their evidence.

Like I said, you quoted that one line from her Garda statements while ignoring other lines which suggested she might not have know at that very moment in time.

You have clearly made your mind up about the case and you're posting in bad faith, asking me questions about if she knew she was wrong at the time. I'm not qualified to answer that, and neither are you.

However only one of us is trying to play the armchair psychiatrist and it isn't me.

Call me patronising all you want, but you aren't asking questions or probing because that would imply you want to get some understanding. You don't want to understand anything because you have already made up your mind.

I was posing question & then answering it/giving my view. It’s a style of writing.

Unlike you I don’t view psychiatry as a black & white science. That’s all.

Maybe you could reserve your “bad faith” judgements for vitriolic statements about this case.

I have a huge amount of empathy for all involved in this case & I’ll leave it at that.

Faugheen

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

Says they who rubbished the evidence of Prof Kennedy earlier. You're all over the place.

I didn't rubbish any evidence.

Don't tell lies about me, please.

BorneTobyWilde

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

The silence from the usual feminist rent a gobs is deafening.

I'm not saying she should or should not be in prison et al. Just staggering the reception given to this vs Alan Hawe, who for whatever reason was deemed perfectly sane, lucid, responsible etc. Also, Graham Dwyer was shown to have a God complex/ obsession via the absolute batshyt essay found on his laptop where he said God was his hero because he created and took life, and that Dwyer, having created three lives, had the right to take a few as well.

Dwyer is clearly completely mad, but there is not a hope he could have successfully pled guilty by reason of insanity. It would be argued that God complex or not he was clearly aware murder was illegal. I believe this is why some jurors dragged their heels today- regardless of what the shrinks said in their reports, aspects such as a suicide note saying sorry, waiting until the husband was away 24 hours before trying all this, to the layman these seemed to indicate at least some acknowledgement that this activity was not spur of the moment and there was an awareness that it was immoral, illegal and would be harder to complete with the husband nearby.


It does seem a strange system whereby the defence and DPP can agree on an outcome but require a jury to essentially rubber stamp it.

I had to google who he was.



Just reading an article about him, incredible the words used to talk about the case and how they refer to him.


''Psycho!! Alan Hawe butchered entire family''


''Controlling Hawe killed wife and kids''


'' The FREAK!! was caught accessing porn on a laptop at school''


The name calling and labeling of him is strange for a news article.

iamwhoiam

Andrew showed incredible understanding for his wife . He is amazingly strong and I hope he finds strength from his childrens legacy

Samsonsmasher

monkeybutter wrote: »

No one who is of sound mind would do this, sorry

Not true. People of sound mind kill people including kids all the time and are convicted of murder.

py2006

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Not true. People of sound mind kill people including kids all the time and are convicted of murder.

or mental health is disregarded?

Faugheen

py2006 wrote: »

or mental health is disregarded?

Or assessments are done just like they are here.

Jerry Attrick

Faugheen wrote: »

Sigh...

Two psychiatrists, one from the defence and one from the prosecution, found her to be nowhere near of sound mind.

Lets ignore the facts of the case and the testimonies of those who are actually qualified to carry out these assessments.

Well said.

You'd need to be barking mad to even contemplate questioning the judgement of such erudite and infallible experts in the labyrinthine functioning of the human brain.

Samsonsmasher

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

The silence from the usual feminist rent a gobs is deafening.

I'm not saying she should or should not be in prison et al. Just staggering the reception given to this vs Alan Hawe, who for whatever reason was deemed perfectly sane, lucid, responsible etc. Also, Graham Dwyer was shown to have a God complex/ obsession via the absolute batshyt essay found on his laptop where he said God was his hero because he created and took life, and that Dwyer, having created three lives, had the right to take a few as well.

Dwyer is clearly completely mad, but there is not a hope he could have successfully pled guilty by reason of insanity. It would be argued that God complex or not he was clearly aware murder was illegal. I believe this is why some jurors dragged their heels today- regardless of what the shrinks said in their reports, aspects such as a suicide note saying sorry, waiting until the husband was away 24 hours before trying all this, to the layman these seemed to indicate at least some acknowledgement that this activity was not spur of the moment and there was an awareness that it was immoral, illegal and would be harder to complete with the husband nearby.


It does seem a strange system whereby the defence and DPP can agree on an outcome but require a jury to essentially rubber stamp it.

Dwyer was sane. He knew right from wrong. I suspect he has some mental disorder such as anti social personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder hence the complete lack of remorse the cool headed calculation and the smug attitude etc. Insane he most definitely is not.

Hawe took his own life so we will never know if he was sane or insane when he killed his children.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

When it is clear that both the defence and prosecution agree that the defendant is insane then the trial outcome is a foregone conclusion.
There's nothing strange about that whatsoever.

py2006

Faugheen wrote: »

Or assessments are done just like they are here.

Can you prove somebody is sane? I question a lot of people I come in contact with, including myself.

Seathrun66

Pussyhands wrote: »

Alan Hawe was called an evil sick bastard who was hoped to rot in hell after killing his kids and wife and then himself. Loads of comments about how he was obviously a controlling person, full character assassination. Mental health was no excuse then. But now it is? Why is this evil woman being shown so much sympathy?

Where are the feminists calling for equality now? If this was a man he'd be given hell.

What is the relevance? The comments here are not divided along lines of gender and this is not the place for your agenda of frustration.

Empathy is more useful than bile. Try it.