Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

is_that_so

Strazdas wrote: »

No, I believe the AZ and J & J portal opens for the over 18s next Monday in fact (the 12th).

Not sure about registering for both portals, but I assume it would be fine.

Donnelly has said IT is there to address that so if it's already been done in an MVC, a pharmacist will have access to that data and vice versa.

Responder XY

IS there a data hub that shows the % of each Cohort that has been completed? Not much use seeing that there are 222k vaccine doses adminstered in Cohort 1 if you don't know how many people are in Cohort 1?

is_that_so

cgcsb wrote: »

In 2 weeks time that Jansen number is going to rocket with all the pharmacists getting harassed for doses.

I wonder how they'll reflect the Jansen doses in the total doses given stat. Will they count one dose as 2 to keep the data consistent as it is a single dose vaccine.

They'll count it as fully vaccinated, but physically as one dose. Anything else makes no sense.

Strazdas

is_that_so wrote: »

Donnelly has said IT is there to address that so if it's already been done in an MVC, a pharmacist will have access to that data and vice versa.

That's right - once a person has been vaccinated, it goes straight into the system and I believe any other appointment is automatically cancelled, you don't even need to ring to cancel it.

Evil_g

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I'm not sure which you're referring to. Looks like the first doses on hub include J&J. Hse site separate 1st dose and 1 dose.

Ah. Sorry. I'd missed that.

stephenjmcd

Thinking out loud here but I'm assuming if an 18-34 year old registers next Monday on the basis that they will accept AZ or J&J, say they haven't been vaccinated by the time the portal opens for Pfizer or Moderna, I'm assuming they can opt in to them at the time it opens?

BigMo1

A question for anyone who has had the J&J shot; I’ve been called for an appointment Friday morning however my stag do is Saturday. I’m worried I’ll feel awful on Saturday and ruin all the planning my friends and family have put into it. I’m heavily leaning towards taking the appointment, would anyone advise otherwise?

Happydays2020

BigMo1 wrote: »

A question for anyone who has had the J&J shot; I’ve been called for an appointment Friday morning however my stag do is Saturday. I’m worried I’ll feel awful on Saturday and ruin all the planning my friends and family have put into it. I’m heavily leaning towards taking the appointment, would anyone advise otherwise?

I suspect the hangover on Sunday will be worse than the jab.

stephenjmcd

BigMo1 wrote: »

A question for anyone who has had the J&J shot; I’ve been called for an appointment Friday morning however my stag do is Saturday. I’m worried I’ll feel awful on Saturday and ruin all the planning my friends and family have put into it. I’m heavily leaning towards taking the appointment, would anyone advise otherwise?

I'd take it to be honest but that's just me. I'd my first dose of Pfizer there 2 weeks ago and was expecting to feel crap. But nothing more than a sore arm which wasn't that bad.

Of my family so far we've not had anything more than sore arms and an inital bit of fatigue which came and went quickly.

At worst you might have 2 day hangover

Craig_David

Are the pharmacies pretty much all booked up at this stage ?

is_that_so

Craig_David wrote: »

Are the pharmacies pretty much all booked up at this stage ?

Probably this week anyway. You'd also expect them to hold off on new appointments until they confirm supplies.

jobeenfitz

Are all vaccines seen as equal or are some seen as unsafe. I've been in Spain for de last year. I'm booking a vaccine online. I'm 58. Haven't been keeping up with the news.

Apogee

George Lee on RTE 6.01 News suggesting that Romanian vaccines could be here by early next week (or less likely, end of this week) with Aer Corps support.

Irish authorities have been in contact with Danish counterparts to identify potential issues (e.g. problems in cold chain, expiry dates on the vaccines etc).

Edit: And extended opening hours at MVCs to get through the Romanian doses ASAP.

Responder XY

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Are all vaccines seen as equal or are some seen as unsafe. I've been in Spain for de last year. I'm booking a vaccine online. I'm 58. Haven't been keeping up with the news.

They are all pretty much equal.

AZ and J&J had some very rare issues with blood clots (talking 1 in a million risk or less - mainly seemed to impact younger people) and Pfizer had some even rarer issues with minor swelling around the heart (mainly in younger men).

Headline figures on effectiveness suggest that Pfizer and Moderna are a little better, but real life doesn't seem to show too much difference (certainly when it comes to preventing serious illness or death they are all very effective) and the jury is completely out on how long they will be effective for so it's very possible that the AZ/J&J ones will be more effective in the long run

TLDR - they are all very good, I'd take whichever is on offer soonest! Pretty sure that if you register today at 58, you won't be given a choice anyway, you'll just get a text telling you where to go and when.  

is_that_so

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Are all vaccines seen as equal or are some seen as unsafe. I've been in Spain for de last year. I'm booking a vaccine online. I'm 58. Haven't been keeping up with the news.

Yeah, they are all good. In 50s it's J&J (one shot) and Pfizer/Moderna.

Lumen

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Are all vaccines seen as equal or are some seen as unsafe. I've been in Spain for de last year. I'm booking a vaccine online. I'm 58. Haven't been keeping up with the news.

They're all good but if I had a choice I'd go:

Pfizer/Moderna
Janssen
AstraZenica

The advantage of the last two is that you're likely to get a different booster over the winter which might give more protection, but that's speculative.

Responder XY

Responder XY wrote: »

They are all pretty much equal.

AZ and J&J had some very rare issues with blood clots (talking 1 in a million risk or less - mainly seemed to impact younger people) and Pfizer had some even rarer issues with minor swelling around the heart (mainly in younger men).

Headline figures on effectiveness suggest that Pfizer and Moderna are a little better, but real life doesn't seem to show too much difference (certainly when it comes to preventing serious illness or death they are all very effective) and the jury is completely out on how long they will be effective for so it's very possible that the AZ/J&J ones will be more effective in the long run

TLDR - they are all very good, I'd take whichever is on offer soonest! Pretty sure that if you register today at 58, you won't be given a choice anyway, you'll just get a text telling you where to go and when.  

AZ and J&J clot incidences are both much higher than one in a million. For AZ it's more like 1 in 50,000. J&J is about 7 per million, with the vast majority affected being women.

Still very small risks but people should be aware of them nonetheless.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/israel-sees-decline-in-pfizer-vaccine-efficacy-rate-ynet-says-1.1625333

I think all four EMA approved vaccines are similar.

All protect against symptoms by around 2/3.

All protect against hospitalisation and death by > 90-99% .

timsey tiger

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Are all vaccines seen as equal or are some seen as unsafe. I've been in Spain for de last year. I'm booking a vaccine online. I'm 58. Haven't been keeping up with the news.

The best one is the one that is in your arm soonest.

Flying Fox

Flying Fox wrote: »

AZ and J&J clot incidences are both much higher than one in a million. For AZ it's more like 1 in 50,000. J&J is about 7 per million, with the vast majority affected being women.

Still very small risks but people should be aware of them nonetheless.

How many people have died in ireland of said blood clots though.


Over a million doses given out of AZ in ireland and not one death?


This risk has been far too over stated.

Your at more risk getting into your car today.

Skygord

Now the GeoHive data is back, it's being pulled into Our World In Data...here's a view, we'll pass the USA soon for 1st doses...

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

They're all good but if I had a choice I'd go:

Pfizer/Moderna
Janssen
AstraZenica

The advantage of the last two is that you're likely to get a different booster over the winter which might give more protection, but that's speculative.

Will everyone get booster in winter though?

Probably restricted to certain cohorts.

Skygord

Skygord wrote: »

Now the GeoHive data is back, it's being pulled into Our World In Data...here's a view, we'll pass the USA soon for 1st doses...

Edit - how do I paste it into a post, and not just an attachment?

On current trajectory we will be overtaking Israel and the uk before the end of next month.

Complete disaster of a vaccine rollout, typical HSE.

Where is everyone who was saying it would take us years?

CrowdedHouse

I thought we were supposed to be 80% by now...

Strazdas

Apogee wrote: »

George Lee on RTE 6.01 News suggesting that Romanian vaccines could be here by early next week (or less likely, end of this week) with Aer Corps support.

Irish authorities have been in contact with Danish counterparts to identify potential issues (e.g. problems in cold chain, expiry dates on the vaccines etc).

Edit: And extended opening hours at MVCs to get through the Romanian doses ASAP.

Yes, I saw that. They seem pretty confident the supplies will come through and are preparing for it.

He also said 100k AZ second doses are expected to be administered this week.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How many people have died in ireland of said blood clots though.


Over a million doses given out of AZ in ireland and not one death?


This risk has been far too over stated.

Your at more risk getting into your car today.

The figure hasn't been overstated, it's based on the UK data and it is printed on the information leaflet.

In Ireland we restricted AZ early on and targeted it to the over 60s (a group to whom AZ does not pose any significant risk). So of course we have had a low number of cases.

Tyrone212

Spoke with a friend in letterkenny. He rang his local chemist about the J&J vaccine today. They told him they weren't taking any more names, it would be 5 or 6 weeks before they would get through the waiting list.

ceegee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On current trajectory we will be overtaking Israel and the uk before the end of next month.

Complete disaster of a vaccine rollout, typical HSE.

Where is everyone who was saying it would take us years?

The covid calculator says I won't get it until 2026. Typical FFG.

Apogee

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

I thought we were supposed to be 80% by now...

CrowdedHouse

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

I thought we were supposed to be 80% by now...

As everyone said, it was about supply and not our ability to get doses into arms. Once we got the supply, numbers have followed, and with the Romanian supply to come on board we will move to near the top of the vaccine lists pretty quickly

Flying Fox

Flying Fox wrote: »

The figure hasn't been overstated, it's based on the UK data and it is printed on the information leaflet.

In Ireland we restricted AZ early on and targeted it to the over 60s (a group to whom AZ does not pose any significant risk). So of course we have had a low number of cases.

As said:

Over a million doses given out of AZ in ireland and not one death?

Its not restricted and as Luke Oneill said risk is not related to age.

AZ has been given to people in ireland from early 20's to late 60's.

This will continue to be the case, or have I missed something?

Can a 20 something apply for AZ currently or is it restricted?

Taking an asprin is more risky than AZ vaccine as is driving a car.

How many people have died in road accidents in ireland this year?

Furze99

Lumen wrote: »

They're all good but if I had a choice I'd go:

Pfizer/Moderna
Janssen
AstraZenica

The advantage of the last two is that you're likely to get a different booster over the winter which might give more protection, but that's speculative.

Isn't that just another way of saying that the last two are better than nothing but not fully up to the job. If they were, why would you be giving a 'booster'. Sorry, it doesn't quite add up in truth. That said, there's little or no choice for most of us plebs. Will cast a cold eye on any boosters though.

xboxdad

Apogee wrote: »

George Lee on RTE 6.01 News suggesting that Romanian vaccines could be here by early next week (or less likely, end of this week) with Aer Corps support.

Irish authorities have been in contact with Danish counterparts to identify potential issues (e.g. problems in cold chain, expiry dates on the vaccines etc).

Edit: And extended opening hours at MVCs to get through the Romanian doses ASAP.

So it wasn't racist to ask these questions after all. Glad to see it's not just me who wonder if they were stored appropriately.
I'm due for my 2nd shot in the coming days and I'm not comfortable with the timing of this entire business therefore.

growleaves

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According to multiple sources, two unvaccinated NC State players tested positive for COVID-19 this week, prompting the NCAA to test the entire roster, including vaccinated players. Four positive tests came back from that round of testing, prompting the no-contest ruling. All four of the latest positive tests came from vaccinated individuals who were in the dugout for Friday’s game against Vanderbilt, per multiple sources.

Vaccines do not appear to prevent acquisition and propagation of covid (but we knew that already?)

Strazdas

xboxdad wrote: »

So it wasn't racist to ask these questions after all. Glad to see it's not just me who wonder if they were stored appropriately.
I'm due for my 2nd shot in the coming days and I'm not comfortable with the timing of this entire business therefore.

George's point was that buying vaccines from another country is not the same thing as buying from a manufacturer. If you're buying from Pfizer for example, they are responsible for delivering them to you in perfect condition. But buying surplus doses from a third country means you have to carry out all sorts of checks, as they are technically 'second hand' doses.

growleaves

Woody79 wrote: »

Taking an asprin is more risky than AZ vaccine as is driving a car.

No. Daily aspirin use is what leads to death by overdose, not 'taking an aspirin'.

L1011

growleaves wrote: »

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Vaccines do not appear to prevent acquisition and propagation of covid (but we knew that already?)

There was never a claim that any of the vaccines were 100% effective, which I'm absolutely sure you already know.

xboxdad

Strazdas wrote: »

George's point was that buying vaccines from another country is not the same thing as buying from a manufacturer. If you're buying from Pfizer for example, they are responsible for delivering them to you in perfect condition. But buying surplus doses from a third country means you have to carry out all sorts of checks, as they are technically 'second hand' doses.

Exactly. ...and successful checks done on a small percentage of vials doesn't necessarily guarantee that all of them survived the unknown storage conditions.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

No. Daily aspirin use is what leads to death by overdose, not 'taking an aspirin'.

Asprin can cause bleeding in stomach brain and throughout the body.

You stick to your hard held beliefs that only overdose of asprin can cause harm.

Im not gonna change you.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As said:

Over a million doses given out of AZ in ireland and not one death?

Its not restricted and as Luke Oneill said risk is not related to age.

AZ has been given to people in ireland from early 20's to late 60's.

This will continue to be the case, or have I missed something?

Can a 20 something apply for AZ currently or is it restricted?

Taking an asprin is more risky than AZ vaccine as is driving a car.

How many people have died in road accidents in ireland this year?

You really should read up on the actual data if you're going to post about this. Try the UK yellow card/MHRA reports for a start. The risk is highest for younger age groups and decreases significantly for the older ones. This has been widely accepted by countless regulators around the world and has been reported in the news for months now. It is stated on the product information leaflets. If Luke O'Neill claims otherwise, he's wrong.

The majority of AZ doses went to the over 60s. Some healthcare workers also received them, and there have been some clotting cases here. As far as we know there have been no deaths, but bear in mind the first case here wasn't reported until a family member went to the media.

There was an age restriction on AZ for months, you must know this, you've been posting on this thread for some time. The only reason it has been lifted is because we need to speed up vaccinations in light of Delta.

growleaves

L1011 wrote: »

There was never a claim that any of the vaccines were 100% effective, which I'm absolutely sure you already know.

That is my understanding yeah. But they are touted as being useful for 'community protection' by some authorities.

The transmissibility after infection is a bit up in the air. They give 'some' protection or 'more' protection against transmission but no one can say how much (because they don't know?)

If you can have four vaccinated individuals testing positive in one dressing room that looks like low protection to me.

Strazdas

xboxdad wrote: »

Exactly. ...and successful checks done on a small percentage of vials doesn't necessarily guarantee that all of them survived the unknown storage conditions.

In any event, there is no particular reason to believe there is anything wrong with the Romanian vaccines. It's more that they are simply carrying out checks and cross checks at the moment just to make sure they are all okay.

Flying Fox

Flying Fox wrote: »

You really should read up on the actual data if you're going to post about this. Try the UK yellow card/MHRA reports for a start. The risk is highest for younger age groups and decreases significantly for the older ones. This has been widely accepted by countless regulators around the world and has been reported in the news for months now. It is stated on the product information leaflets. If Luke O'Neill claims otherwise, he's wrong.

The majority of AZ doses went to the over 60s. Some healthcare workers also received them, and there have been some clotting cases here. As far as we know there have been no deaths, but bear in mind the first case here wasn't reported until a family member went to the media.

There was an age restriction on AZ for months, you must know this, you've been posting on this thread for some time. The only reason it has been lifted is because we need to speed up vaccinations in light of Delta.

It has also been lifted as very effective treatments for the extremely rare clotting events have been identified

Marymoore

Does anyone know: if you text “new” to reschedule an appointment do you get one quicker than when you first register?

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

That is my understanding yeah. But they are touted as being useful for 'community protection' by some authorities.

The transmissibility after infection is a bit up in the air. They give 'some' protection or 'more' protection against transmission but no one can say how much (because they don't know?)

If you can have four vaccinated individuals testing positive in one dressing room that looks like low protection to me.

Not if they caught it but weren’t transmitting, which evidence shows is likely the case

growleaves

Deleted User wrote: »

Not if they caught it but weren’t transmitting, which evidence shows is likely the case

Okay but how do we know that? The article doesn't say who likely gave it to who. Presume you are talking about other evidence, would appreciate if you point me to it.

CrowdedHouse

Marymoore wrote: »

Does anyone know: if you text “new” to reschedule an appointment do you get one quicker than when you first register?

2 days for me (2nd dose)

Economics101

Flying Fox wrote: »

You really should read up on the actual data if you're going to post about this. Try the UK yellow card/MHRA reports for a start. The risk is highest for younger age groups and decreases significantly for the older ones.

I think that the AZ "risk" question has been misunderstood. It surely is a matter of relative risk, i.e. the risk from taking the vaccine versus the risk from not being vaccinated. The balance of AZ risk is less favourable for younger people not so much because the being-vaccinated risk is higher (it is), but because the risk from not being vaccinated is so much lower.

Furthermore this calculation is affected by the prevalence of the disease, which changes the balance of risk for everyone. Also the risk from not being vaccinated has to be measured over some time interval, in theory how long it would take to get an alternative vaccine.

Flying Fox

Flying Fox wrote: »

You really should read up on the actual data if you're going to post about this. Try the UK yellow card/MHRA reports for a start. The risk is highest for younger age groups and decreases significantly for the older ones. This has been widely accepted by countless regulators around the world and has been reported in the news for months now. It is stated on the product information leaflets. If Luke O'Neill claims otherwise, he's wrong.

The majority of AZ doses went to the over 60s. Some healthcare workers also received them, and there have been some clotting cases here. As far as we know there have been no deaths, but bear in mind the first case here wasn't reported until a family member went to the media.

There was an age restriction on AZ for months, you must know this, you've been posting on this thread for some time. The only reason it has been lifted is because we need to speed up vaccinations in light of Delta.

You have your inbuilt biases and prejudices at this stage from many months ago. Stick to your beliefs and never ever change in spite of evidence.

You know more than Luke O'Nell now. I'm laughing at that one. Thats why 68% of young people would accept J&J or AZ in the morning.


Per Luke O'Neill 7 days ago:

"That began to become not true because it became clear age was not a predicter for clotting. In other words, young people have the same risk of clotting as older people - so it is across the board basically. That immediately means we should be using AstraZeneca across all age groups, there is no question now".

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-no-question-ireland-should-offer-astrazeneca-to-younger-people-1217182

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not if they caught it but weren’t transmitting, which evidence shows is likely the case

Vaccinated individuals are both less likely to test positive and have significantly lower viral load when they do test positive

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01316-7