Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Strazdas · 28-06-2021 8:02pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Another journalist saying they've given the green light regarding age restrictions

https://twitter.com/christinafinn8/status/1409586228337385489?s=19

Great news if true. We may see the vaccine programme rapidly accelerate. Also, the portal for over 20s could open up relatively quickly, there would be no need to wait for all other AZ recipients to receive their second dose first. Another plus is that a four week gap would encourage high take up from the over 20s.

RTE themselves reporting the story now, so it looks solid.

funnydoggy · 28-06-2021 8:04pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That would be a supply call really. We've enough dose 2 of mRNA to do as it is given the supply reduction through July.

It'll speed up the younger ages now

Looking forward to registering

funnydoggy · 28-06-2021 8:06pm

This whole thing has been a bloody giant rollercoaster of emotions :pac:

thebaz · 28-06-2021 8:07pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And to that J&J

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1409586450060902401?s=19

That would all be good news - we need some of that

robinbird · 28-06-2021 8:07pm

The last Cohort 4s got first AZ 12 weeks ago and are now completed
HCW at least the same and now done.
Last of 60s got it five weeks ago. We are now down to 9-10 weeks out according to reported appointments. If they do 100k a week and bring it down to 8 weeks last of 60s should be done in three weeks.
This makes no sense.
And neither does giving it as first dose to younger cohorts to reduce the 400,000 AZ we will have left over when finished as we have more than enough Pfizer in storage to do everyone..

28-06-2021 8:07pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Great news if true. We may see the vaccine programme rapidly accelerate. Also, the portal for over 20s could open up relatively quickly, there would be no need to wait for all other AZ recipients to receive their second dose first. Another plus is that a four week gap would encourage high take up from the over 20s.

RTE themselves reporting the story now, so it looks solid.

Its a good call by NIAC.

How many people have died of blood clots in ireland with AZ?

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ninebeanrows · 28-06-2021 8:07pm

Be delighted if they give the 30 to 34s Jansen next week !!

Klonker · 28-06-2021 8:09pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Great news if true. We may see the vaccine programme rapidly accelerate. Also, the portal for over 20s could open up relatively quickly, there would be no need to wait for all other AZ recipients to receive their second dose first. Another plus is that a four week gap would encourage high take up from the over 20s.

RTE themselves reporting the story now, so it looks solid.

I wonder will this be an opt in thing or will it be a take what you're given kind of thing.

28-06-2021 8:12pm

robinbird wrote: »

The last Cohort 4s got first AZ 12 weeks ago and are now completed
HCW at least the same and now done.
Last of 60s got it five weeks ago. We are now down to 9-10 weeks out according to reported appointments. If they do 100k a week and bring it down to 8 weeks last of 60s should be done in three weeks.
This makes no sense.
And neither does giving it as first dose to younger cohorts to reduce the 400,000 AZ we will have left over when finished as we have more than enough Pfizer in storage to do everyone..

It does, it means everyone will probably get a first dose of a vaccine within the next month.

Your alternative scenario means people will only get opportunity of a first dose by end of august.

In NI 18 year olds can walk in without an appointment today.

ROI has to get to the point of offering everyone a first dose as quickly as humanly possible.

This strategy allows that.

Wolf359f · 28-06-2021 8:12pm

robinbird wrote: »

The last Cohort 4s got first AZ 12 weeks ago and are now completed
HCW at least the same and now done.
Last of 60s got it five weeks ago. We are now down to 9-10 weeks out according to reported appointments. If they do 100k a week and bring it down to 8 weeks last of 60s should be done in three weeks.
This makes no sense.
And neither does giving it as first dose to younger cohorts to reduce the 400,000 AZ we will have left over when finished as we have more than enough Pfizer in storage to do everyone..

Yes the over 1 million Pfizer in storage you keep mentioning, but produce zero evidence of.
At least show your workings.

civdef · 28-06-2021 8:13pm

robinbird wrote: »

This makes no sense.
And neither does giving it as first dose to younger cohorts to reduce the 400,000 AZ we will have left over when finished as we have more than enough Pfizer in storage to do everyone..

Really?

duffman13 · 28-06-2021 8:14pm

Klonker wrote: »

I wonder will this be an opt in thing or will it be a take what you're given kind of thing.

I'd guess it'll be an opt in through the likes of Pharmacy. Capacity there for over 100k vaccines per week and almost 300k J&J instock and excess AZ in stock or at least due in stock

Stheno · 28-06-2021 8:14pm

Mr.S wrote: »

I wonder how they will pick who gets what?

But I think we will have very little Jansen stock.

68k doses delivered but not yet administered
https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1409137825036095498?s=19

Pharmacists concerned about waste

https://twitter.com/LouiseByrneNews/status/1409550504485605385?s=19

28-06-2021 8:16pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NIAC recommending a 4 week gap for AZ now

https://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1409579406113247235?s=19

"Sources suggested that Ireland may need to invoke an emergency or special exemption mechanism to make this move, because the European Medicines Agency authorisation for the second AstraZeneca jab currently specifies 56 days, or eight weeks."

Not going to make much difference for the 60-69 cohort they'll all get it in the next 3 weeks anyway. Could help if the age limit is dropped back

Kingston Mills will have steam coming out of his ears.

He talks some s*** when it comes to AZ.

Stheno · 28-06-2021 8:18pm

Mr.S wrote: »

Yeah I was asking in my local pharmacy and they said they can't find anyone 50+ to take the spare doses, seems like such a waste.

Well hopefully you'll be heading in to get one if you are happy to do so in a few days

is_that_so · 28-06-2021 8:19pm

Mr.S wrote: »

I wonder how they will pick who gets what?

But I think we will have very little Jansen stock.

There is a fair bit of it in pharmacies, so they could just open up to the 35-40s.

funnydoggy · 28-06-2021 8:19pm

Stheno wrote: »

Well hopefully you'll be heading in to get one if you are happy to do so in a few days

There'd be queues out the doors! I'll stand happily in line

eoinbn · 28-06-2021 8:23pm

Mr.S wrote: »

I wonder how they will pick who gets what?

But I think we will have very little Jansen stock.

Would make sense to give both to pharmacies. No special storage requirements and MVC don't seem to have any more capacity. If you want to skip the queue go to your pharmacy. If you want an mRNA register on the portal.
We might not have much AZ until the middle of the month, due to needing it for second doses but by the end of this week we should have 130k J&J in stock. There is probably tens of thousands of 20 year olds, mainly men, that would be happy to take it.

Donald Trump · 28-06-2021 8:25pm

Woody79 wrote: »

Its a good call by NIAC.

How many people have died of blood clots in ireland with AZ?

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That's possibly because they mainly avoided giving it to younger people here so far and those who suffered bloodclots in other countries tended to be relatively young

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2021 8:28pm

Really makes you wonder what has changed between now and the last NIAC advice against using J&J/AZ in younger cohorts. Should never have been stopped.

Wolf359f · 28-06-2021 8:30pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Really makes you wonder what has changed between now and the last NIAC advice against using J&J/AZ in younger cohorts. Should never have been stopped.

Mmmm maybe the Delta variant?
Risk vs benefit has changed.

omega man · 28-06-2021 8:30pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Really makes you wonder what has changed between now and the last NIAC advice against using J&J/AZ in younger cohorts. Should never have been stopped.

Months of additional data i reckon.

Strazdas · 28-06-2021 8:31pm

Klonker wrote: »

I wonder will this be an opt in thing or will it be a take what you're given kind of thing.

I'd say it will indeed be a case of 'take whatever you are given' : looks like people in their 20s will be offered all four of the vaccines, so it will purely be the luck of the draw when they receive their confirmation text.

But I would expect a very high take up if there is only a four week gap with all the vaccines (and J & J is a single shot).

is_that_so · 28-06-2021 8:33pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Really makes you wonder what has changed between now and the last NIAC advice against using J&J/AZ in younger cohorts. Should never have been stopped.

As has been said throughout this if we'd had AZ only we'd have had no discussion. It's that stellar Pfizer performance that caused them to be shunned. Now AZ and J&J are coming back into the frame with the somewhat alarmist reaction to Delta.

is_that_so · 28-06-2021 8:34pm

omega man wrote: »

Months of additional data i reckon.

Nah, needs must and Delta!

ACitizenErased · 28-06-2021 8:35pm

I can understand the move to 4 weeks. Younger people are at less risk of COVID -> sacrifice the efficacy of a longer interval for the speediness of getting fully vaxxed with the 4 weeks.

Stheno · 28-06-2021 8:36pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I can understand the move to 4 weeks. Younger people are at less risk of COVID -> sacrifice the efficacy of a longer interval for the speediness of getting fully vaxxed with the 4 weeks.

And potential boosters

Strazdas · 28-06-2021 8:36pm

Wolf359f wrote: »

Mmmm maybe the Delta variant?
Risk vs benefit has changed.

Look at the UK numbers - 23,000 new cases today. That could be us if we're not careful.....that's the main reason AZ and J have suddenly come into contention for all ages.

Pat_bottom · 28-06-2021 8:37pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Really makes you wonder what has changed between now and the last NIAC advice against using J&J/AZ in younger cohorts. Should never have been stopped.

Delta variant. The vaccine was never a massive danger to the younger and there was no rush back then the Kent variant was getting under contril. The delta variant has hospitalised younger people now in the uk so the need is greater.

28-06-2021 8:37pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Really makes you wonder what has changed between now and the last NIAC advice against using J&J/AZ in younger cohorts. Should never have been stopped.

This pandemic is such a fluid situation.

What vaccine you end up with is a bit of a lottery.

I'm glad tbh.

I know AZ is a good vaccine with a poor PR record.

At the end of day this decision is based on getting as many people double dosed as quickly as possible before delta is 100% in ireland.

I dont thing Delta is particulary more deadly (I think its less), but it is more infectious and more easily spread.

We have to get to an Israel situation as quickly as possible and then decide what next after that.

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