Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Economics101

If we have indoor hospitality for the vaccinated (generally older) population, the younger unvaccinated will indulge in plenty of unregulated un-distanced home hospitality. Have NPHET modelled this? Could the authorities control this? Why are journalists not asking really tough questions?

Alun

McTigs wrote: »

I can't find the little card they gave me on the first jab anywhere, I've turned the house upside down looking.

Is it absolutely necessary or will they give me the 2nd shot with photo ID?

I lost mine before I even got home after my first vaccination Don't worry, they'll issue you with a new one when you get the second dose.

Tyrone212

Economics101 wrote: »

If we have indoor hospitality for the vaccinated (generally older) population, the younger unvaccinated will indulge in plenty of unregulated un-distanced home hospitality. Have NPHET modelled this? Could the authorities control this? Why are journalists not asking really tough questions?

Yeah very good point. Plus people who would have been cautious in that age group for the sake of the older population will think f this. I'm doing as I want now.

PTH2009

Tyrone212 wrote: »

I can see a lot of people in their 20s early 30s looking for J&J. 2 weeks later they can fly without pcr tests.

Yeah but me thinks NPHET won't change the vaccine advice because of that very reason

100% should be a choice if you want to take the J&J no matter you're age

darem93

Yeah I'm 28 and will literally take anything I'm given at this point, but J&J would be an absolute dream for obvious reasons.

fun loving criminal

I don't see this vaccinated and non-vaccinated thing working here in Ireland like everything else they made a shambles of. There will be people crying that it's their right to be unvaccinated and not take away their freedom.

Also if hospitality is now for those that are vaccinated or recovered from covid-19, what can other workplaces do now with vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?

sure half the workers won't even be vaccinated when they're posturing about opening :-D

celt262

fun loving criminal wrote: »

I don't see this vaccinated and non-vaccinated thing working here in Ireland like everything else they made a shambles of. There will be people crying that it's their right to be unvaccinated and not take away their freedom.

Also if hospitality is now for those that are vaccinated or recovered from covid-19, what can other workplaces do now with vaccinated and non-vaccinated people?

It's not going to happen they will come to the 19th and say its going to be to hard to implement and put them off from opening until at least after the bank holiday weekend.

RavenBea17b

What I'd be asking myself, is what has spooked them soo much about delaying the indoor dining, 're-opening' etc - the modelling for vaccination vs delta needs to be really explained in worst case scenarios etc.

Hence the need to get vaccinated as soon as you can - with whatever vaccine you can get and take.
Numbers that have tested positive and are of Delta variant have doubled already in Germany- 36% June 15-20 to from 15% the previous week. Lothar Wieler , president of the Robert Koch Institute told officials in Germany earlier today that it is now representing more than 50% of registered cases.

Hence the concern I guess to increase the rate of vaccinations in as many age groups as possible and as speedily as possible and within vaccine supplies.

is_that_so

RavenBea17b wrote: »

What I'd be asking myself, is what has spooked them soo much about delaying the indoor dining, 're-opening' etc - the modelling for vaccination vs delta needs to be really explained in worst case scenarios etc.

Hence the need to get vaccinated as soon as you can - with whatever vaccine you can get and take.
Numbers that have tested positive and are of Delta variant have doubled already in Germany- 36% June 15-20 to from 15% the previous week. Lothar Wieler , president of the Robert Koch Institute told officials in Germany earlier today that it is now representing more than 50% of registered cases.

Hence the concern I guess to increase the rate of vaccinations in as many age groups as possible and as speedily as possible and within vaccine supplies.

Then they should just say that. It doesn't require any modelling.
BTW 36% and 50% of what number?

everlast75

I don't know if it was mentioned earlier or not, but I'm wondering whether the decision to only allow those vaccinated into pubs and restaurants was a decision made to incentivise younger folk into taking J&J or AZ????

boardzz

Has anybody living in Republic close to the border got vaccine in the North?
It seems they are allowing walk ins and not requiring NHS number. Just ID.

is_that_so

everlast75 wrote: »

I don't know if it was mentioned earlier or not, but I'm wondering whether the decision to only allow those vaccinated into pubs and restaurants was a decision made to incentivise younger folk into taking J&J or AZ????

Can't incentivize people to sign up to something that is not available to them.

everlast75

is_that_so wrote: »

Can't incentivize people to sign up to something that is not available to them.

I know. However, that may be the game plan when possible is my point

cgcsb

Media seems a little confused. Can pharmacies now give the J&J vaccine to any adult? Says that NIAC and NEPHET have approved this but don't know if it's in place yet. Should I be ringing the pharmacy does anyone know?

is_that_so

everlast75 wrote: »

I know. However, that may be the game plan when possible is my point

It's been recommended by NPHET and is really an attempt to give hospitality some hope while NPHET makes up its mind when we are no longer at risk by throwing numbers in the air.

is_that_so

cgcsb wrote: »

Media seems a little confused. Can pharmacies now give the J&J vaccine to any adult? Says that NIAC and NEPHET have approved this but don't know if it's in place yet. Should I be ringing the pharmacy does anyone know?

Not the case yet. Wait until the HSE say so.

Wolf359f

is_that_so wrote: »

Then they should just say that. It doesn't require any modelling.
BTW 36% and 50% of what number?

Of a pretty small number. Exactly the same as the UK.
Alpha cases drop while Delta increase, but as a whole cases look steady/reducing until the Delta increase becomes noticable and potentially keeps growing.

is_that_so

Wolf359f wrote: »

Of a pretty small number. Exactly the same as the UK.
Alpha cases drop while Delta increase, but as a whole cases look steady/reducing until the Delta increase becomes noticable and potentially keeps growing.

Which is what I assumed. These percentages are headline grabbing so why bother giving actual numbers.

tiredblondie

cgcsb wrote: »

Media seems a little confused. Can pharmacies now give the J&J vaccine to any adult? Says that NIAC and NEPHET have approved this but don't know if it's in place yet. Should I be ringing the pharmacy does anyone know?

They keep saying that all vaccines are now available to everyone but in the same breath, say that pharmacies can now vaccinate those under 40 with J&J....so, they have been doing over 50's and now can do under 40's.....what about us 41 to 49 year olds?? Where do we fall in that??

cgcsb

boardzz wrote: »

Has anybody living in Republic close to the border got vaccine in the North?
It seems they are allowing walk ins and not requiring NHS number. Just ID.

Would also like to know this. You can't book an appointment (I've tried) but the news says for a walk in appointment at the SSE you have to produce photo ID "and, if possible, your health number". So reading that I don't see what's stopping people going to the SSE mass to get it. I'd hate to drive all that way and be told no though, it sounds like too good a loop hole.

cgcsb

tiredblondie wrote: »

They keep saying that all vaccines are now available to everyone but in the same breath, say that pharmacies can now vaccinate those under 40 with J&J....so, they have been doing over 50's and now can do under 40's.....what about us 41 to 49 year olds?? Where do we fall in that??

The media reports are all over the place and only seem to be worried about the vintners association.

I wanna know when I can get my jab and go eat and drink in nearby well run countries. :pac:

Pablo Escobar

I (aged 35) got the first dose (Pfizer) today at 2:15pm. Zero after effects, yet anyway.

Padre_Pio

tiredblondie wrote: »

They keep saying that all vaccines are now available to everyone but in the same breath, say that pharmacies can now vaccinate those under 40 with J&J....so, they have been doing over 50's and now can do under 40's.....what about us 41 to 49 year olds?? Where do we fall in that??

I called a few pharmacies to ask about waiting lists for the under 35's (me)

One nearby is vaccinating today.
One is starting tomorrow.

Two are waiting for official confirmation from the HSE and other bodies.

So it's a mixed bag.

cgcsb

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I called a few pharmacies to ask about waiting lists for the under 35's (me)

One nearby is vaccinating today.
One is starting tomorrow.

Two are waiting for official confirmation from the HSE and other bodies.

So it's a mixed bag.

Any hints as to where these pharmacies offering today and tomorrow are? I get you don't want to give away your location but some hints would be appreciated 🙂

Local pharmacies for me have taken to not answering the phone unfortunately.

RavenBea17b

is_that_so wrote: »

Then they should just say that. It doesn't require any modelling.
BTW 36% and 50% of what number?

Couldn't agree with you more, be up front and honest- un-certain, don't know for sure, worst case etc. Treat people for adults, but give them information.

Sorry, the German cases of Delta variant have doubled from 15% to 36% of those tested positive and sequenced (my assumption) - the 50% is what the president of the Robert Koch institute mentioned. Article mentioned registered and active cases - but actual numbers not given.

Article link below :

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-delta-variant-cases-more-than-double-in-germany/a-58086507

RavenBea17b

is_that_so wrote: »

Which is what I assumed. These percentages are headline grabbing so why bother giving actual numbers.

And that is how it started in UK, small, but rapidly grew in younger population.
Different thing is UK had opened up alot more by then as the numbers were low ( and continuing to drop/ steady out. Hence the push to get younger people vaccinated. d

PTH2009

I'll take the J&J in a heartbeat through the HSE or local pharmacy

They really really should open it to all ages

angeldelight

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Many young people wont want to choose AZ.

We've been told for months about how it isn't safe due to risk of blood clots.

We've also been told how it's best immune response is after 8 or 12 weeks.

We are now being offered 4 weeks gap between doses.

No, we were told that the benefit of getting AZ was not sufficient to make the very slight risk of a clot worthwhile. That was in the landscape of the alpha variant. Delta variant makes the balance tip the other way again - the benefit to getting it outweighs the risk.

We were told it was safe to extend the interval to 12 weeks as immunity continued to increase to this point and didn’t fall off so more people could be given their first dose, while getting good protection. Now it’s recognised that in the current landscape second doses are more important than they were previously so it can be given at 4 weeks. The response still continues to grow after the 4 weeks. Getting the second dose doesn’t stop immunity increasing all it does is add in even more protection

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'll take the J&J in a heartbeat through the HSE or local pharmacy

They really really should open it to all ages

It is going to be open to all, that's the whole point of the NIAC advice