Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

1huge1

1huge1 wrote: »

Care to back up the section in bold with a source where Ireland turned down supples of AZ from the UK.

is_that_so wrote: »

It was actually an example of not allowing countries into a bidding war with each other which would potentially limit national programmes. When did the UK promise us supplies? They certainly promised to offer us vaccines.

la la la if I didn't see it, it's not true....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416271/Boris-johnson-eu-vaccine-news-export-AstraZeneca-coronavirus-ursula-von-der-leyen

https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-give-ireland-vaccines-arlene-foster-5394876-Mar2021/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccines-uk-ireland-eu-b1823511.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56556125

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/uk-to-offer-ireland-37-23809335

https://www.irishpost.com/news/uk-to-offer-ireland-3-7-million-covid-19-vaccines-in-bid-to-help-lift-lockdown-in-northern-ireland-207786

Ireland refused on the grounds the EU program was all that was needed....

Imagine 3.4 mil doses delivered even as late as last month..... you'd nearly have the adult population complete at this stage...

re:Pfizer.... you won't see it publicly, but I have family members who were supposed to get a vaccine earlier in the year regardless of age, because they were in the bubbles of workers..... Pfizer scaled this back to essential workers and people within the current cohort to align with the Irish vaccine rollout and not be seen as giving preferential treatment....

is_that_so wrote: »

It was actually an example of not allowing countries into a bidding war with each other which would potentially limit national programmes. When did the UK promise us supplies? They certainly promised to offer us vaccines.

It was offered a cost value from UK supplies to support the opening of the north...

But yes, was seen to undercut the EU program, which was a big no no from Europe, it was also around the time of the other AstraZenaca supply rows...

Stheno

happywednesday wrote: »

la la la if I didn't see it, it's not true....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416271/Boris-johnson-eu-vaccine-news-export-AstraZeneca-coronavirus-ursula-von-der-leyen

https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-give-ireland-vaccines-arlene-foster-5394876-Mar2021/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccines-uk-ireland-eu-b1823511.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56556125

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/uk-to-offer-ireland-37-23809335

https://www.irishpost.com/news/uk-to-offer-ireland-3-7-million-covid-19-vaccines-in-bid-to-help-lift-lockdown-in-northern-ireland-207786

Ireland refused on the grounds the EU program was all that was needed....

Imagine 3.4 mil doses delivered even as late as last month..... you'd nearly have the adult population complete at this stage...

re:Pfizer.... you won't see it publicly, but I have family members who were supposed to get a vaccine earlier in the year regardless of age, because they were in the bubbles of workers..... Pfizer scaled this back to essential workers and people within the current cohort to align with the Irish vaccine rollout and not be seen as giving preferential treatment....



It was offered a cost value from UK supplies to support the opening of the north...

But yes, was seen to undercut the EU program, which was a big no no from Europe, it was also around the time of the other AstraZenaca supply rows...

None of your links show any offer being made?

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

None of your links show any offer being made?

because it was snubbed without negotiation

Stheno

happywednesday wrote: »

because it was snubbed without negotiation

So where is your proof? Rather than vague musings?

charlie14

happywednesday wrote: »

la la la if I didn't see it, it's not true....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416271/Boris-johnson-eu-vaccine-news-export-AstraZeneca-coronavirus-ursula-von-der-leyen

https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-give-ireland-vaccines-arlene-foster-5394876-Mar2021/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccines-uk-ireland-eu-b1823511.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56556125

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/uk-to-offer-ireland-37-23809335

https://www.irishpost.com/news/uk-to-offer-ireland-3-7-million-covid-19-vaccines-in-bid-to-help-lift-lockdown-in-northern-ireland-207786

Ireland refused on the grounds the EU program was all that was needed....

Imagine 3.4 mil doses delivered even as late as last month..... you'd nearly have the adult population complete at this stage...

re:Pfizer.... you won't see it publicly, but I have family members who were supposed to get a vaccine earlier in the year regardless of age, because they were in the bubbles of workers..... Pfizer scaled this back to essential workers and people within the current cohort to align with the Irish vaccine rollout and not be seen as giving preferential treatment....



It was offered a cost value from UK supplies to support the opening of the north...

But yes, was seen to undercut the EU program, which was a big no no from Europe, it was also around the time of the other AstraZenaca supply rows...

Where in any of that was there an actual offer made, or according to you, where we turned down any actual offer ?
All i can see from those post is nothing other than U.K. Brexit jingoism directed at the EU.

crooked cockney villain

So I take it people who have recently had Covid can go to a chemist and waste a one dose vaccine on themselves because there is no system in place to check someone's prior Covid status?

Well done. Another great day for the lads.

Any idea whether the Covid pub pass will work if you have previously had Covid, or whether it will require Covid plus at least one vaccine?

Strazdas

happywednesday wrote: »

la la la if I didn't see it, it's not true....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1416271/Boris-johnson-eu-vaccine-news-export-AstraZeneca-coronavirus-ursula-von-der-leyen

https://www.thejournal.ie/uk-give-ireland-vaccines-arlene-foster-5394876-Mar2021/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccines-uk-ireland-eu-b1823511.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56556125

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/uk-to-offer-ireland-37-23809335

https://www.irishpost.com/news/uk-to-offer-ireland-3-7-million-covid-19-vaccines-in-bid-to-help-lift-lockdown-in-northern-ireland-207786

Ireland refused on the grounds the EU program was all that was needed....

Imagine 3.4 mil doses delivered even as late as last month..... you'd nearly have the adult population complete at this stage...

re:Pfizer.... you won't see it publicly, but I have family members who were supposed to get a vaccine earlier in the year regardless of age, because they were in the bubbles of workers..... Pfizer scaled this back to essential workers and people within the current cohort to align with the Irish vaccine rollout and not be seen as giving preferential treatment....



It was offered a cost value from UK supplies to support the opening of the north...

But yes, was seen to undercut the EU program, which was a big no no from Europe, it was also around the time of the other AstraZenaca supply rows...

No offer was ever actually made. A bogus story appeared in one of the UK Sundays that they were going to offer 3m AZ doses to the Republic, but this was immediately dismissed as nonsensical (and it was pointed out that Britain was struggling to get its hands on vaccines for even its own population at that point).

Padre_Pio

Stheno wrote: »

So where is your proof? Rather than vague musings?

There's no proof.
Happywednesday is arguing that Ireland should have broken from the EU vaccine plan same as the UK.

Happily ignoring that;
A: the UK has a major vaccine manufacturer in its territory.
B: The UK paid more per vaccine than EU countries.
C: the UK rollout was very high risk, but fortunately paid off.
At the end of the day, we'll all get to herd immunity at roughly the same time.

john_doe.

There seems to be very little discussion on myocarditis.here in Ireland.

Got first dose of Pfizer , for men under 40 this seems be emerging as biggest risk of mRNA vaccine

Beginning to think j&j will become the leading vaccine next year.

ixoy

john_doe. wrote: »

Beginning to think j&j will become the leading vaccine next year.

I thought the EU had decided against renewing any contract with J & J so it won't be leading next year as things currently stand.

Cork2021

john_doe. wrote: »

There seems to be very little discussion on myocarditis.here in Ireland.

Got first dose of Pfizer , for men under 40 this seems be emerging as biggest risk of mRNA vaccine

Beginning to think j&j will become the leading vaccine next year.

And has there been many incidents of it? I haven’t heard or read anything about it here or in the media anyway. Got first dose Pfizer last Thursday and no side effects only a bit of a sore arm for a day

sashafierce

Just chatting to my mate who works in a pharmacy in South Dublin and she said they are roughly doing 8 vaccines a day and today all 8 were mates or relations of the pharmacy owner. Imagine it will be similar across the board

celt262

sashafierce wrote: »

Just chatting to my mate who works in a pharmacy in South Dublin and she said they are roughly doing 8 vaccines a day and today all 8 were mates or relations of the pharmacy owner. Imagine it will be similar across the board

Yep have heard similar.

charlie14

charlie14 wrote: »

Where in any of that was there an actual offer made, or according to you, where we turned down any actual offer ?
All i can see from those post is nothing other than U.K. Brexit jingoism directed at the EU.

It was never going to materialise when Ireland said the month previous that if the UK did offer any vaccine, they wouldn't take it as the EU program would suffice...

Irish government then proceed to say they knew nothing of a vaccine offer

Brexit jingoism, yes.... why not call their bluff? Ireland win in both cases

There were reports too that Ireland were offered Moderna from Hungary which was also refused and Germany and Denmark sweeped up... over 500,000 doses

I'm obviously in a government loving circle jerk, so I'll leave you neckbeards to **** over your pictures of Leo and enjoy the extended lockdown measures

Cork2021

Cork2021 wrote: »

And has there been many incidents of it? I haven’t heard or read anything about it here or in the media anyway. Got first dose Pfizer last Thursday and no side effects only a bit of a sore arm for a day

Unlikely to rear its head in a big way until you vaccinate males under 25's with MRNA's.

Thats what happened in Israel and then USA.

Is a risk factor for mostly very young males.

Alot of young people want J&J.

One and your done.

Covid risk very small to begin with

crooked cockney villain

Padre_Pio wrote: »

T
At the end of the day, we'll all get to herd immunity at roughly the same time.

England is fully reopening on July 19th.

Nobody in government or NPHET has specifically said that Irish society actually will fully re open when we have 80% vaccinated fully. There have been terms like "relative normality" but not a single public figure has stated that our old lives will return, not one.

We are told this (80% vaccinated) should happen by late August to late September, but not one public figure has categorically stated that we will be in packed pubs and rammed nightclubs after this date. They are too fond of terms like the new normal and other scutter.

The US has nowhere near this amount vaccinated and even left wing liberal states have all but fully re opened.

England, which has far from 80% fully vaccinated, is pledging to have full pubs and nightclubs three weekends from now.

The North is reviewing their own progress on July 8th.

It is quite possible that on the coming August Bank Holiday weekend young people in Dundalk will at best be drinking in a beer garden but can hop in a taxi to go to a nightclub in Newry.

It is absolutely comical at this stage and MM should be jailed and sued to the poor house over his inept handling of it.

john_doe.

Cork2021 wrote: »

And has there been many incidents of it? I haven’t heard or read anything about it here or in the media anyway. Got first dose Pfizer last Thursday and no side effects only a bit of a sore arm for a day

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-advisory-group-says-likely-association-between-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-and-rare-myocarditis-cases-11624479115

Seems risk is men under 40. Particularly teens in US that are getting second jab.over 40 seems fine.

Bridge93

26 and got done with J&J in Dublin this evening. Called about 2pm to be told there’d been a cancellation and could I be there for 4pm

astrofool

happywednesday wrote: »

It was never going to materialise when Ireland said the month previous that if the UK did offer any vaccine, they wouldn't take it as the EU program would suffice...

The UK came out and said they wouldn't have spare vaccine till September, it was nothing to do with Ireland not wanting any, UK had none spare (still don't).

john_doe.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unlikely to rear its head in a big way until you vaccinate males under 25's with MRNA's.

Thats what happened in Israel and then USA.

Is a risk factor for mostly very young males.

Alot of young people want J&J.

One and your done.

Covid risk very small to begin with

Yes this looks correct , if I was under 30 I'd be going for J&J.

If I had option again I'd go for J&J myself. I'd take the blood clot risk over heart.

Thing that concerns me on Pfizer is that they are making noises u need a 3rd dose n 12 months so will constantly taking this thing affect the heart.

J&J has good protection against delta and looks to continue develop antibodies. Wouldn't be surprised if we all end up with it by next year , instead of getting mRNA every year.

john_doe.

john_doe. wrote: »

Yes this looks correct , if I was under 30 I'd be going for J&J.

If I had option again I'd go for J&J myself. I'd take the blood clot risk over heart.

Thing that concerns me on Pfizer is that they are making noises u need a 3rd dose n 12 months so will constantly taking this thing affect the heart.

J&J has good protection against delta and looks to continue develop antibodies. Wouldn't be surprised if we all end up with it by next year , instead of getting mRNA every year.

I'm into running/athletics.

Athletes in UK complaining of side effects of MRNA (raised heart rate etc.). Nothing compared to covid itself I would think all the same.

https://twitter.com/VicenteModahl/status/1411891131202289666

steeplechaser Aimee Pratt’s coach Linda - sounds like she’s been struggled a bit post-vaccine

Beasty

happywednesday wrote: »

It was never going to materialise when Ireland said the month previous that if the UK did offer any vaccine, they wouldn't take it as the EU program would suffice...

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Drop it or you will be threadbanned

crooked cockney villain

astrofool wrote: »

The UK came out and said they wouldn't have spare vaccine till September, it was nothing to do with Ireland not wanting any, UK had none spare (still don't).

It really wasn't. Our lot would gladly tank the country before going cap in hand to London admitting that Brexit Britain was a roaring success.

The anti Brexit sentiment of our government and members of our public is a national embarrassment.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

The 1 million jabs will be here soon. Sorting out the logistical issues by copying Denmark's homework :cool:

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1412153949344391168

L1011

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

It really wasn't. Our lot would gladly tank the country before going cap in hand to London admitting that Brexit Britain was a roaring success.

The anti Brexit sentiment of our government and members of our public is a national embarrassment.

Have you any proof at all that vaccines were available from the UK before September and turned down? As that's what you're trying to deny here.

ACitizenErased

I assume all vaccine data is linked to PPS right?

Cork2021

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I assume all vaccine data is linked to PPS right?

Surely? First thing I was asked to do at GP surgery by the nurse was confirm my PPS and same with the Wife

Cork2021

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

The 1 million jabs will be here soon. Sorting out the logistical issues by copying Denmark's homework :cool:

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1412153949344391168

This and J&J are the game changers big time! Our freedom day is within our grasp!

ACitizenErased

Cork2021 wrote: »

Surely? First thing I was asked to do at GP surgery by the nurse was confirm my PPS and same with the Wife

Yeah I did too but I'm just wondering if what the GPs are using is linked to a HSE database or whether they just send in completed doses at the end of the week.

crooked cockney villain

L1011 wrote: »

Have you any proof at all that vaccines were available from the UK before September and turned down? As that's what you're trying to deny here.

Not saying they were. Saying that if the UK had happened to have a surplus we wouldn't have taken it so as not to embarrass our useless leaders in Brussels.

Micheal Martin effectively weaseled out of that question last Feb or thereabouts. As if we would ever put the national interest ahead of Brussels.