Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Stheno

Happydays2020 wrote: »

There has been an almighty **** up and they have been saved by an IT failure. To think that we had a major scandal over a few vaccines to teachers and yet they are getting away with this. Anyway….

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The HSE absolutely f... up on the high risk groups . I hope the media pick up on it at some stage .

Agree

it's bizarre how it's happened, everyone I know in either cohort four or seven spanning multiple counties got vaxxed in a timely manner

Something has gone terribly wrong

Happydays2020

Stheno wrote: »

Agree

it's bizarre how it's happened, everyone I know in either cohort four or seven spanning multiple counties got vaxxed in a timely manner

Something has gone terribly wrong

Lucky the people you know. I know people in both cohorts who are still waiting (when they enquire told such bizarre things that the expensive drug they are using is not recognised by the system).

gfaces

tigger123 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been posted already; myself and my other half are living in Dublin; and she just got her vaccine appointment for Waterford at 09.30 in the morning ...?

Has this happened to anyone else?

She rang the HSE and was told that your appointment is your appointment. You can get a new one, but it will prbably just be Waterford again...?

Yes as noted this happened to me. My wife has her vaccine in limerick racecourse 10th June Thursday afternoon. I got a text tonight for a pfizer vaccine 11th June in WIT waterford other side of the country from limerick city practically (130 km as crow flies). I rang them saying I would be unable to get to Waterford for that appointment. The lady dealing with the call was very helpful but basically implied that a new appointment would also likely be in Waterford. Makes little sense.

tigger123

tigger123 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been posted already; myself and my other half are living in Dublin; and she just got her vaccine appointment for Waterford at 09.30 in the morning ...?

Has this happened to anyone else?

She rang the HSE and was told that your appointment is your appointment. You can get a new one, but it will prbably just be Waterford again...?

It's ridiculous. Try tweeting HSELive, they seem to be getting a lot of similar messages and have been asking people to DM them to arrange a different location.

Otherwise it might be worth turning up at your local centre at the end of the day and explain the situation, I'd say there's a good chance they'll see you.

JPup

Stheno wrote: »

I think in the grand scheme of things that there is way too much focus on some things to be honest

The HSE have ****ed up here as usual, that's the long and short of it

I've a family member with a BMI of 35+ who got scheduled for vaccination despite no underlying conditions.

It's a monumental failure by the HSE and their record keeping that this **** up has occured

A BMI over 35 is an underlying condition. That puts them in the high risk category. No error by the HSE there.

celt262

JPup wrote: »

A BMI over 35 is an underlying condition. That puts them in the high risk category. No error by the HSE there.

That a pity for that poster he/she was enjoying a good rant there.

Happydays2020

tigger123 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been posted already; myself and my other half are living in Dublin; and she just got her vaccine appointment for Waterford at 09.30 in the morning ...?

Has this happened to anyone else?

She rang the HSE and was told that your appointment is your appointment. You can get a new one, but it will prbably just be Waterford again...?

That is absolutely bonkers. Disgraceful response by the HSE.

A TD may well be interested in following up on this madness.

https://twitter.com/aodhanoriordain/status/1402225539402895363?s=21

And ignore the south siders who got HSE sponsored limos to timed appointments in the VIP box in the Aviva.

Stheno

celt262 wrote: »

That a pity for that poster he/she was enjoying a good rant there.

My point rather than a rant was that some cohort 7 even without a consultant at getting vaccinated

I will admit however that as someone who has sacrificed most 16 months of my life to protect the vulnerable I'm sick of their whinging

And tbh i don't care if they have to wait a few move weeks

I'm thoroughly sick of this crap

Marcusm

Stheno wrote: »

My point rather than a rant was that some cohort 7 even without a consultant at getting vaccinated

I will admit however that as someone who has sacrificed most 16 months of my life to protect the vulnerable I'm sick of their whinging

And tbh i don't care if they have to wait a few move weeks

I'm thoroughly sick of this crap

Why would someone need a consultant to obtain a cohort 4 or 7 vaccination appointment? If BMI, as one example, meets the required threshold, why should they not be vaccinated. Likewise, someone with Down’s syndrome should not need to be registered or under the care of a GP not to mind someone in the specialist registrar to be vaccinated in the appropriate cohort.

josip

Where can I get a 'Carte Jaune'/Yellow Card (WHO Vaccine Certificate)?
I think I'll take the poster's advice to get the GP to fill in the details before traveling.

Apogee

On 17th May: 41% one dose & 15% second dose

Apogee wrote: »

Reid: 56% one dose. 26% two doses.
https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1402309453488263169

Change over 22 days: One dose +15%. Two doses +11%.

30th June is 22 days time, so at same rate as above (and assuming the numbers aren't a major underestimate due to cyberattack) ---> 71% one dose & 37% two doses.

Lumen

Apogee wrote: »

On 17th May: 41% one dose & 15% second dose

Change over 22 days: One dose +15%. Two doses +11%.

30th June is 22 days time, so at same rate as above (and assuming the numbers aren't a major underestimate due to cyberattack) ---> 71% one dose & 37% two doses.

Paul Reid again misleading with his presentation of the numbers by presenting % of adult population as % of population.

I'm not sure whether he's thick or deliberately deceptive.

CruelSummer

Lumen wrote: »

Paul Reid again misleading with his presentation of the numbers by presenting % of adult population as % of population.

I'm not sure whether he's thick or deliberately deceptive.

It’s not misleading. All politicians use the adult population figure for first dose offered as the vaccine was only approved for the adult population until recently. Paul Reid has done a great job overall with the vaccine roll out to date - despite multiple changes to vaccine supply, recommendations on what age groups can get what vaccine, pace and gaps between doses and so much more. I personally didn’t think we’d be able to scale up so quickly to 250k+ doses administered per week - which we’ve achieved and surpassed also.

embraer170

josip wrote: »

Where can I get a 'Carte Jaune'/Yellow Card (WHO Vaccine Certificate)?
I think I'll take the poster's advice to get the GP to fill in the details before traveling.

Wouldn't GPs normally have them? I might be wrong of course.

Lumen

CruelSummer wrote: »

It’s not misleading. All politicians use the adult population figure for first dose offered as the vaccine was only approved for the adult population until recently. Paul Reid has done a great job overall with the vaccine roll out to date - despite multiple changes to vaccine supply, recommendations on what age groups can get what vaccine, pace and gaps between doses and so much more. I personally didn’t think we’d be able to scale up so quickly to 250k+ doses administered per week - which we’ve achieved and surpassed also.

I've no great objection to referring to % of specific sub-populations as a measure of the progress of this current phase of the rollout, although it has no basis in epidemiology and causes confusion. But do they mean over 16s? Over 18s? AFAIK the mRNA vaccines are approved for over 16s in Ireland, but the figure of 3.7m (which you can extrapolate from Reid's numbers) does NOT match the CSO stats for over 16s. x

Using the words "percentage of the population" when you mean "percentage of the adult population" or "percentage of over 16s" is just plain sloppy, inaccurate and misleading.

It also creates problems with international comparisons, since different countries have different demographics. International comparisons are useful because they help calibrate the easing of restrictions.

Anyway, the most obvious explanation is that he chooses the number which makes him look good.

omega man

MizMix wrote: »

Anyone in Louth get a text or app recently- wondering where they are now at age wise? 41 and heading away tomorrow till Sunday and hoping I won’t be scheduled before I’m back. Would love to put my phone away for a few days too …they were really far behind so I’m assuming I’m a good week off

44 and heard nothing yet. Drogheda.
I’d say you’ll be fine.

is_that_so

Lumen wrote: »

Paul Reid again misleading with his presentation of the numbers by presenting % of adult population as % of population.

I'm not sure whether he's thick or deliberately deceptive.

Or maybe you're just a pedant by nature and there are things you just can't let go. Most people will just read good numbers and move on.

Bubbaclaus

is_that_so wrote: »

Or maybe you're just a pedant by nature and there are things you just can't let go. Most people will just read good numbers and move on.

You know what they say about some people: if they won a years supply of fresh bread they would complain about the lack of jam.

Lumen

is_that_so wrote: »

Or maybe you're just a pedant by nature and there are things you just can't let go. Most people will just read good numbers and move on.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You know what they say about some people: if they won a years supply of fresh bread they would complain about the lack of jam.

I've no interest in propaganda. If that makes me a pedant so be it.

But FWIW I think the rollout is going great. It doesn't need propaganda or sloppy communciations.

is_that_so

Lumen wrote: »

I've no interest in propaganda. If that makes me a pedant so be it.

But FWIW I think the rollout is going great. It doesn't need propaganda or sloppy communciations.

The messages are not aimed at you. People like good news. Leave him and them to it.

iamwhoiam

Stheno wrote: »

My point rather than a rant was that some cohort 7 even without a consultant at getting vaccinated

I will admit however that as someone who has sacrificed most 16 months of my life to protect the vulnerable I'm sick of their whinging

And tbh i don't care if they have to wait a few move weeks

I'm thoroughly sick of this crap

So you stepped up and did your job as did many others . That is not to say that all GPs did , some let their vulnerable patients down and there is no denying that
Nobody attacked you personally or inferred that you didn’t do your job but denying that others were less diligent is simply wrong

eddie73

mloc123 wrote: »

Where are you located... or which MVC?

Letterkenny

Lillyfae

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So you stepped up and did your job as did many others . That is not to say that all GPs did , some let their vulnerable patients down and there is no denying that
Nobody attacked you personally or inferred that you didn’t do your job but denying that others were less diligent is simply wrong

I can understand where they are coming from to be honest. Where I am the over 60 cohort who had refused previous invitations for Janssen/ AZ received a 2nd invitation last week to make appointments for Pfizer/ Moderna delaying the under 37 cohort even further. No problem if they are concerned and want a choice but I genuinely believe they should be at the very back of the queue if that is the case, because none of us have a choice and we were the ones most affected. Young people starting their higher education or careers, young families trying to homeschool and childmind at the same time as working etc etc.

All through this the forced efforts that we have made have been thrown back in our faces by the cohort over 60, but they vote, have more money, and are very often the representative politicians so they are the ones who will always be prioritised. I was subconsciously aware of that before the pandemic but I make it my business to be consciously aware of it since.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

I've no great objection to referring to % of specific sub-populations as a measure of the progress of this current phase of the rollout, although it has no basis in epidemiology and causes confusion. But do they mean over 16s? Over 18s? AFAIK the mRNA vaccines are approved for over 16s in Ireland, but the figure of 3.7m (which you can extrapolate from Reid's numbers) does NOT match the CSO stats for over 16s. x

Using the words "percentage of the population" when you mean "percentage of the adult population" or "percentage of over 16s" is just plain sloppy, inaccurate and misleading.

It also creates problems with international comparisons, since different countries have different demographics. International comparisons are useful because they help calibrate the easing of restrictions.

Anyway, the most obvious explanation is that he chooses the number which makes him look good.

They set at target of 80% of adults with one dose by the start of July, so makes sense to track to that target. The also release the total number of doses is making companions on data aggregation sites with inconsistent data sources is your thing

iamwhoiam

Lillyfae wrote: »

I can understand where they are coming from to be honest. Where I am the over 60 cohort who had refused previous invitations for Janssen/ AZ received a 2nd invitation last week to make appointments for Pfizer/ Moderna delaying the under 37 cohort even further. No problem if they are concerned and want a choice but I genuinely believe they should be at the very back of the queue if that is the case, because none of us have a choice and we were the ones most affected. Young people starting their higher education or careers, young families trying to homeschool and childmind at the same time as working etc etc.

All through this the forced efforts that we have made have been thrown back in our faces by the cohort over 60, but they vote, have more money, and are very often the representative politicians so they are the ones who will always be prioritised. I was subconsciously aware of that before the pandemic but I make it my business to be consciously aware of it since.

I have no idea what this has to do with some GPs who abandoned cohort 7 and left them to their own devices chasing a vaccine and thrown from Billy to Jack
Cancer patients , nephrology patients, etc etc .

tigger123

Flying Fox wrote: »

It's ridiculous. Try tweeting HSELive, they seem to be getting a lot of similar messages and have been asking people to DM them to arrange a different location.

Otherwise it might be worth turning up at your local centre at the end of the day and explain the situation, I'd say there's a good chance they'll see you.

Tweeted HSE live and was able to get it sorted; thanks for everyone's advice!

Lillyfae

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have no idea what this has to do with some GPs who abandoned cohort 7 and left them to their own devices chasing a vaccine and thrown from Billy to Jack
Cancer patients , nephrology patients, etc etc .

It doesn’t, it’s a more general comment about not only prioritization but options being afforded to some who care little and nothing to those who care a lot. Of course those with chronic illnesses should be prioritized, I don’t think they are though.

ixoy

The US has set a target of 70% of all adults to have at least a single dose by July 4th. We're hoping to do better than that. It's interesting that in our case it's supply as the current limiting factor but over there they have loads, are offering incentives and may still fall behind Ireland by their target date. Different attitudes around skepticism don't help.

embraer170

Turns out it is now so easy to get a the yellow WHO vaccine card. GPs don't have them, or at least not the GP a family member contacted today.

km79

Was tired yday and remain tired today after Pfizer shot
No major arm pain though. Not even noticeable discomfort .
Wife got moderna Monday . Also tired for two days. Arm was sore too