Belarus forces Ryanair plane to divert *NO GENERAL POLITICS* *MOD WARNING POST 1*

Lmkrnr

AnRothar wrote: »

I remember reading about the Americans forcing an aircraft carrying suspected hijackers from the achile lauro (?) to land at a NATO base in Italy.
Monkey see, monkey do.

I think a few Iranian tankers were also detained in international/European water's by the EU at the behest of the United States.

Larbre34

AnRothar wrote: »

I remember reading about the Americans forcing an aircraft carrying suspected hijackers from the achile lauro (?) to land at a NATO base in Italy.
Monkey see, monkey do.

And you don't see any distinction in the circumstances? None at all?

josip

plodder wrote: »

Even if it is deleted, the recollection of the crew should be fresh enough. Given they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk at the time, I'd say they remember what was said well enough.

If they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk, why didn't the captain decide it was in the better interest of its plane and passengers to continue to Vilnius if there was a bomb on board?

cailinoBAC

https://mobile.twitter.com/niktwick/status/1396544097314385920

plodder

josip wrote: »

If they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk, why didn't the captain decide it was in the better interest of its plane and passengers to continue to Vilnius if there was a bomb on board?

Maybe when they were told 'we're sending a MIG up to escort you to Minsk' they decided that's where they were going. Or the language could have been even more direct than that. We don't know yet.

c.p.w.g.w

Is their any Belarusian consolate in Ireland?

Cookiemunster

josip wrote: »

If they were closer to Vilnius than Minsk, why didn't the captain decide it was in the better interest of its plane and passengers to continue to Vilnius if there was a bomb on board?

It probably had something to do with the MiG 29 that was sent to escort it to Minsk.

plodder

PommieBast wrote: »

There seems to be similarities with the Evo Morales grounding when the US was after Edward Snowden.

That's interesting. There are similarities alright, but there's a big difference between refusing entry to someone, and forcing them out of the air, on a completely false pretense.

cailinoBAC

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Is their any Belarusian consolate in Ireland?

No, London is closest

Dyr

Dempo1 wrote: »

Essentially a state sponsored Hijacking by all accounts, whilst NOTHING will of course happen, Belarus a complete basket case, Simon Coveney about to realise how Toothless the UN security Council is, the one he's been salivating over since Ireland got a pointless seat on it.

Should be very simple to deny access to European airspace for flights into and out of Belarussia.

Strumms

wonski wrote: »

It's not about money. Belarus will pay the costs without any problems.

That's not the issue here.

It’s political yes. But as a matter of principle AND politics the money is an issue... inconvenience them, demean them, let them know they cannot act the cünt without being hit with adverse publicity and a bill...they have to be aware they can’t do it without consequences. No matter how insignificant.

cnocbui

It's an act of air piracy. I don't expect anything concrete to be done about it. Some hot air, a bunch of easily ignored words, no meaningful consequences.

The west has no balls. China continues it's expansionism, Russia grabs Crimea, Georgian territory; both of them commit acts of war via hacking. China thumbs it's nose over the Covid19 origins investigation. Nothing is done. Those quisling Germans sign up for a gas pipeline to Russia, FFS!. Belarus commits air piracy and the west just does nothing more than saying please behave.

Will Germany say get your pet thug to hand him back or you can stick your pipeline, we'd rather restart the reactors? Will they hell.

Larbre34

Cnocbui 100% correct on all points.

Sanctions do nothing except punish the people already subjugated by the totalitarian regimes in these Countries.

On this particular issue, if that Ryanair plane belonged to certain other Countries, Belarus could look forward to air strikes on its assets if it failed to return the detained passenger and make reparations for this act of air piracy and State perpetrated terrorism.

As it stands, the flight and in fact the aircraft are of Ryanair's Polish operation which is a horse of a different colour. If Poland choose to retaliate and with them as a NATO member, it puts Ireland in an entirely unfamiliar position.

Polar101

Tough times for the Irish government - they might have to do something since it was an Irish aircraft on an intra-EU flight that was hijacked. Or will they think tweeting "this is unaccceptable" is enough?

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1396551162602602496

Would it not have been easier to assassinate that lad, make it look like an accident?

Most of Europe wouldn't have heard or cared about it. Now, instead, there is a huge international incident that's going to cause a lot of noise and shine a spotlight on Belarusian authorities.

goingnowhere

No liveatc coverage so no independent ATC tape...

Good odds there is some phone footage, passengers are not going to miss getting a video of a Mig 28 and the pilots are not going to take instructions from a Mig unless they can see it, so you would assume the usual captain side intercept

Polar101

Polar101 wrote: »

Tough times for the Irish government - they might have to do something since it was an Irish aircraft on an intra-EU flight that was hijacked. Or will they think tweeting "this is unaccceptable" is enough?

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1396551162602602496

Is it an Irish aircraft? It’s registered in Poland and owned by the polish Ryanair subsidiary

JohnC.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would it not have been easier to assassinate that lad, make it look like an accident?

Most of Europe wouldn't have heard or cared about it. Now, instead, there is a huge international incident that's going to cause a lot of noise and shine a spotlight on Belarusian authorities.

Maybe that’s the point. Make a big scene. Make a point. Any consequences will be chicken feed. What real consequences has been paid by Russia for shooting down an airliner? Nothing of consequence to them. Belarus is pretty much in the same mould.

JohnC.

JohnC. wrote: »

Maybe that’s the point. Make a big scene. Make a point. Any consequences will be chicken feed. What real consequences has been paid by Russia for shooting down an airliner? Nothing of consequence to them. Belarus is pretty much in the same mould.

That's almost impressive in its awfulness.

Larbre34

Mayo_fan wrote: »

Is it an Irish aircraft? It’s registered in Poland and owned by the polish Ryanair subsidiary

Yes, the wholly owned Ryanair subsidiary, a designated activity company registered and headquartered in Ireland.

goingnowhere

Polar101 wrote: »

Tough times for the Irish government - they might have to do something since it was an Irish aircraft on an intra-EU flight that was hijacked. Or will they think tweeting "this is unaccceptable" is enough?

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1396551162602602496

It was a Ryanair Sun/Buzz, so Polish register, and technically owned by a Polish entity which is a subsidiary of an Irish PLC.

All the IAA can do is issue an order than no Irish register aircraft to fly in/out/over Belarus and refuse overflight of any Belarus registered.

Polar101

Mayo_fan wrote: »

Is it an Irish aircraft? It’s registered in Poland and owned by the polish Ryanair subsidiary

Maybe not, but at least the airline has some connections with Ireland.

wonski

Strumms wrote: »

It’s political yes. But as a matter of principle AND politics the money is an issue... inconvenience them, demean them, let them know they cannot act the cünt without being hit with adverse publicity and a bill...they have to be aware they can’t do it without consequences. No matter how insignificant.

Asking a country to pay for a landing of one plane won't make any difference at all.

Do you honestly think Belarus will be affected by paying Ryanair a compensation? Peanuts for any country, even third world country.

Strumms

wonski wrote: »

Asking a country to pay for a landing of one plane won't make any difference at all.

Do you honestly think Belarus will be affected by paying Ryanair a compensation? Peanuts for any country, even third world country.

It’s the principle for a start..while they are not adversely affected you still don’t let them take the piss, more then they are..

And obviously while not a deterrent but if you roll over you’ll get fücked, so don’t...

bill for fuel, overtime, APU, any other expenses,

harmless

https://twitter.com/RyanairPress/status/1396543331878981632

Nothing untoward found, so I take it no passenger was removed from the plane in Minsk.

Irish aircraft register is here:

https://www.iaa.ie/commercial-aviation/aircraft-registration-2/latest-register-and-monthly-changes-1

STB.

harmless wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RyanairPress/status/1396543331878981632

Nothing untoward found, so I take it no passenger was removed from the plane in Minsk.

Nothing untoward is referring to the premise upon which the flight was diverted. IE a bomb.


And NO you cannot take it that no passenger was removed from the flight. That is not what the statement says.


6 people are missing from the flight, 2 of them against their will. The other 4 are foreign agents.

Cloudio9

goingnowhere wrote: »

It was a Ryanair Sun/Buzz, so Polish register, and technically owned by a Polish entity which is a subsidiary of an Irish PLC.

All the IAA can do is issue an order than no Irish register aircraft to fly in/out/over Belarus and refuse overflight of any Belarus registered.

This incident is way above the pay grade of anyone in the IAA.

It’s an Irish airline. If anyone wants to argue it’s Polish it’s like trying to argue half of Alitalia’s planes are Irish because they fly on EI registrations or the Metrojet A321 that was blown up was Irish instead of Russian.

From Aviation Herald:

Incident: Ryanair Sun B738 near Minsk on May 23rd 2021, Greece calls diversion states hijack
By Simon Hradecky, created Sunday, May 23rd 2021 20:33Z, last updated Sunday, May 23rd 2021 20:36Z
A Ryanair Sun Boeing 737-800, registration SP-RSM performing flight FR-4978 from Athens (Greece) to Vilnius (Lithuania), was enroute a FL390 about 45nm south of Vilnius still in Belarus Airspace, when the aircraft diverted to Minsk (Belarus), located about 90nm east of their present position, where the aircraft landed safely about 25 minutes later.

The aircraft remained on the ground in Minsk for about 7 hours, then continued the flight, climbed to FL090 enroute and reached Vilnus with a delay of 8.5 hours.

The circumstances of the diversion are entirely unclear. No official confirmation is available so far, also not from Ryanair, how many passengers boarded the aircraft in Athens and how many disembarked in Vilnius (and whether there had been any passenger left behind in Minsk and how many).

There are claims that Mig29 fighter aircraft may have been dispatched to intercept and force the Boeing to Minsk.

Belarus Opposition claims one of their activitists and his fiancee have been detained in Minsk, in addition four Russians did not continue their journey to Vilnius.

Sources in Belarus claim all passengers continued on to Vilnius.

Other sources in Belarus and Russia claim, the opposition activist has been detained in Minsk.

Greece's foreign Minister rated the occurrence a states hijack, the aircraft has been hijacked by Belarus. According to the Greek Foreign Ministry 171 passengers departed Athens. The Greek Foreign Ministry stated further: "We condemn the illegal arrest of the Belarusian activist Roman Protasevich, who is threatened with the death penalty. Mr Protasevich was part of a delegation led by Belarussian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, who recently attended the Delphi Forum."

Lithuania's Prime Minister said: "What happened today is an attack not only on Lithuania. This is the act of state terrorism directed against the security of citizens of the EU and other countries."

ICAO voiced concern about the "forced landing" stating that this might be in contravention of the Chicago convention.

Political leaders around the EU and its members voice concern about this "forced landing" and call for action.

The president of the European Commission said: "It is utterly unacceptable to force Ryanair flight from Athens to Vilnius to land in Minsk. ALL passengers must be able to continue their travel to Vilnius immediately and their safety ensured. Any violation of international air transport rules must bear consequences."

https://avherald.com/h?article=4e7d7208&opt=1

STB.

Cloudio9 wrote: »

It’s an Irish airline. If anyone wants to argue it’s Polish it’s like trying to argue half of Alitalia’s planes are Irish because they fly on EI registrations or the Metrojet A321 that was blown up was Irish instead of Russian.

It really doesn't matter whether the plane is registered in Poland or Ireland, both are members of the EU.


The parent company and carrier is Irish. The flight between two European capitals was intercepted and accompanied by a MIG to Minsk.


I'd say the cabin recordings are enlightening. Ryanair's press statement is a disgrace. They are responsible for ALL pax.