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Family and care of psychiatric patients

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    #32
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    strawman

    I'm not sure if you can say that given that your argument to start with was terrible... You attributed blame for the failure of our mental health services on Mary Raftery for exposing large scale child abuse. It just has absolutely nothing to do with this...

    In this specific case, the woman sought help. Our mental health services failed. Our services are poor by an international standard. That is not an excuse to bring back institutions that basically threw away the key on vulnerable people and ignored their existence as best they could.


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    #33
    WrenBoy
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    Our mental health services are a disgrace, the people who work in it are doing their best but there simply isn't enough of them and there seems to be no interest in investing in the area.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/do-i-have-to-lose-her-for-them-to-realise-says-mother-of-anorexic-girl-13-over-lack-of-specialist-bed-1.4563363

    This is why I have a problem with government vanity projects and huge investment in projects to make us look like great little boys to the EU whilst vulnerable people here are left to suffer.


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    #34
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    sporina wrote: »
    oh gosh.. i think I shudda posted this thread in the legal forum :(

    You can ask the mods to move it if you want. But being there doesn't guarantee that you will only get qualified responses especially givetn he basis of the threads discussion point will still attract the same posters who normally can be found moaning about feminists etc in any forum.


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    #35
    Mad_maxx
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you can say that given that your argument to start with was terrible... You attributed blame for the failure of our mental health services on Mary Raftery for exposing large scale child abuse. It just has absolutely nothing to do with this...

    In this specific case, the woman sought help. Our mental health services failed. Our services are poor by an international standard. That is not an excuse to bring back institutions that basically threw away the key on vulnerable people and ignored their existence as best they could.

    I was referring to how Mary raftery made docus about mental institutions and instilled a narrative that nobody should ever be sent there

    Some people are better off in places like that, it's unfortunate but some people need to be in a controlled environment, they are that much of a danger


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    #36
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    I was referring to how Mary raftery made docus about mental institutions and instilled a narrative that nobody should ever be sent there

    Some people are better off in places like that, it's unfortunate but some people need to be in a controlled environment, they are that much of a danger
    And we were locking up people who shouldn't have been locked up. On top of that, we were keeping those people in atrocious conditions. So ya, I think most would agree that Raftery exposing that was ultimately a good thing. We had the highest number of people in mental institutions in the globe... They were not all unfit for the world, we just have a history of locking people up. Be it in institutions or mother and baby homes. It never addressed the issue and no doubt factors into mental illness being viewed as a taboo in the country.


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    #37
    Mad_maxx
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And we were locking up people who shouldn't have been locked up. On top of that, we were keeping those people in atrocious conditions. So ya, I think most would agree that Raftery exposing that was ultimately a good thing. We had the highest number of people in mental institutions in the globe... They were not all unfit for the world, we just have a history of locking people up. Be it in institutions or mother and baby homes. It never addressed the issue and no doubt factors into mental illness being viewed as a taboo in the country.

    Nobody has advocated for a repeat of what went before, we threw the baby out with the bathwater however


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    #38
    sporina
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    DubInMeath wrote: »
    You can ask the mods to move it if you want. But being there doesn't guarantee that you will only get qualified responses especially givetn he basis of the threads discussion point will still attract the same posters who normally can be found moaning about feminists etc in any forum.

    thanks... yeah or was thinking maybe the health issues forum... might get a better audience there,.


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    #39
    Ellie2008
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    Its a very difficult one. On the one hand it could prevent self harm or harm to others, on the other does it risk those things by forcing a vulnerable person to have a family member involved in their care when it may not be what they want or indeed what’s in their best interest. There isn’t a one size fits all approach, but I do think a debate is much needed.


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