President condemns brutal old IRA execution of elderly woman

guy2231

DubInMeath wrote: »

Any time you have incidents like the findings around Ballymurphy and BoJos "apology" in the house of commons, some people see it as unionists being thrown under the bus again, get annoyed and see the need to start the whataboutery train. Others see it as an opportunity for a bit of what some people might call trolling.

Most people take a great interest in atrocities when they can use them against Sinn Fein, otherwise no one would care less.

guy2231

I support both IRAs and Unlike most of the posters on here I do not justify the disappearance of this woman or Jean Mcconville, people are justifying this by throwing an old in front of IRA, you would not hear justifications like this saying "she got what she deserved" among people who are not hypocrites and support the men and women who fought against British rule in both the 1910s and 1970s.

People look at the war of independence with rose tinted glasses while using killings of civilians by the provisional IRA as a reason why they were so terrible even though they support the old IRA who killed far more civilians in respective of years and were far more ruthless and indiscriminate than the Provisiona IRA were.

skallywag

guy2231 wrote: »

I support both IRAs..

Are you the OP?

Hoboo

guy2231 wrote: »

I appreciate Michaels apology it is a great step forward for our country, I believe soon we will see a public condemnation of the IRA by Varadkar.

Irish republicanism has been the greatest disease this country has ever faced wether that be in the 1910s or the 1970s, we should forget about this whole "united Ireland" nonsense it is about time we took pride in our 26 county state that the British allowed us to have and condemn the IRA.

Finally the veil drops.

guy2231

skallywag wrote: »

Are you the OP?

Yes I was just trying to make people see the error of their ways by giving them the usual guff that they give to people who support the Provisonal IRA.

Hamsterchops

guy2231 wrote: »

I support both IRAs

In which case I would consider you to be a thoroughly detestable character. I don't care about qualifications or reasons, just the fact that you said that you support both IRAs is a sign that you are not a decent person. So many good people murdered by the Provos, too many good people in wheelchairs thanks to the Provos, too many with missing limbs thanks to the Provos, yet you come on here and declare that you support them!

guy2231

Hamsterchops wrote: »

In which case I would consider you to be a thoroughly detestable character. I don't care about qualifications or reasons, just the fact that you said that you support both IRAs is a sign that you are not a decent person. So many good people murdered by the Provos, too many good people in wheelchairs thanks to the Provos, and you come in here and declare that you support them!

You can f*** right off as far as I'm concerned.

You see guys, this is exactly the kind of guff I have been giving people for supporting the old IRA, the only difference is this guy is for real.

Hamsterchops

Yes this guy is for real, society is for real, and murder is for real, and it's really not good to glorify it, specially when you openly declare that you support an organisation that specialises in Terrorism & murder.

Stop digging a hole for yourself.

guy2231

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Yes his guy is for real, society is for real, and murder is for real, and it's really not good to glorify it, specially when you openly declare that you support an organisation that specialises in Terrorism & murder.

Yes I do along with the majority of this country who openly support an organisation (old IRA) which specialised in "terrorism and murder" who disappeared 15 times as many people as the provos, killed hundreds of innocent civilians and shot pregnant women in cold blood and commited countless sectarian attacks against protestants and also left countless amounts of decent people in wheelchairs.

Hamsterchops

You said that you supported both IRAs.

Hence my rage.

WrenBoy

Hamsterchops wrote: »

You said that you supported both IRAs.

Hence my rage.

I think his/her point is its hypocritical to support one an denounce the other

Hamsterchops

I know that, and I'll let others argue & discuss the old IRA, but I do get annoyed if somebody says they support the Provos, understandably I guess in the same way as an ISIS supporter would get some grief too if they came on here declaring that they supported ISIS.

Think I'll exit this thread before I'm pushed.

guy2231

WrenBoy wrote: »

I think his/her point is its hypocritical to support one an denounce the other

It's not just that, it's the complete ignorant ill informed reasons they give to make you seem like a bad person for supporting the Provisonal IRA like "how do you justify the killing of inncoent civilians" or "what about the disappeared", these same people don't realise due to their ill informed ignorance that the same reasons they give to discredit the provisional IRA can be given to them for supporting the old IRA who were far more ruthless and indiscriminate than the provos were.


How did Collins deal with the military on the streets of Dublin? By bomb and grenade.......and when there were civilian casualties, and there were - 46 civilians dead and 163 wounded in a five month period - they were the unfortunate causalities of war.

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

guy2231 wrote: »

It's not just that, it's the complete ignorant ill informed reasons they give to make you seem like a bad person for supporting the Provisonal IRA like "how do you justify the killing of inncoent civilians" or "what about the disappeared", these same people don't realise due to their ill informed ignorance that the same reasons they give to discredit the provisional IRA can be given to them for supporting the old IRA who were far more ruthless and indiscriminate than the provos were.


How did Collins deal with the military on the streets of Dublin? By bomb and grenade.......and when there were civilian casualties, and there were - 46 civilians dead and 163 wounded in a five month period - they were the unfortunate causalities of war.

Going by your logic guy2231 it will only take another generation or so and everyone in Ireland will be glorifying what the provos did in their fight against an occupying force on this island. Just like our generation all now do with the Old IRA, from ordinary Joe Soaps to Politicians. Hopefully that will be of some comfort to you.

By the way that old "lady" informer got what she deserved imo.

guy2231

Titus Hundreds Slang wrote: »

Going by your logic guy2231 it will only take another generation or so and everyone in Ireland will be glorifying what the provos did in their fight against an occupying force on this island. Just like our generation all now do with the Old IRA, from ordinary Joe Soaps to Politicians. Hopefully that will be of some comfort to you.

By the way that old "lady" informer got what she deserved imo.

They already are respected and glorified by a large section of the population but a large section of the population also ignorantly condemn them while singing the praises of the old IRA.

skallywag

guy2231 wrote: »

Yes I was just trying to make people see the error of their ways...

Eh, no. You are completely incoherent.

namloc1980

OP has jumped the shark and appears to be on multiple sides of the argument. I reckon he's gonna start quoting and arguing with himself soon.

skallywag

The OP is blatantly making it up now as they go along?

guy2231

skallywag wrote: »

The OP is blatantly making it up now as they go along?

What am I making up?

skallywag

guy2231 wrote: »

What am I making up?

You are changing your line of argument from post to post, and are completely inconsistent.

Perhaps you are very young and do not know how to develop a reasoned argument yet, I do not know.

guy2231

skallywag wrote: »

You are changing your line of argument from post to post, and are completely inconsistent.

Perhaps you are very young and do not know how to develop a reasoned argument yet, I do not know.

The point is I was giving old IRA supporters the exact same drivel that they give to PIRA supporters on these types of threads, the exact same so they might then realise their hypocricy when it comes to a similiar situation.

skallywag

guy2231 wrote: »

The point is I was giving old IRA supporters the exact same drivel that they give to PIRA supporters on these types of threads, the exact same so they might then realise their hypocricy when it comes to a similiar situation.

You have mentioned yourself that you consider the provos 'brave' ?

guy2231

skallywag wrote: »

You have mentioned yourself that you consider the provos 'brave' ?

As brave if not more brave than the old IRA, like Brendan Hughes in the early days of the troubles when the IRA had hardly any weapons he would run riot around Belfast by himself armed with nothing but a handgun shooting it out with elite army units who had been terrorising the locals.

I would consider that brave would you not?

guy2231

skallywag wrote: »

You are changing your line of argument from post to post, and are completely inconsistent.

Perhaps you are very young and do not know how to develop a reasoned argument yet, I do not know.

Funny you say this now when earlier me and you were spouting the same nonsense against the old IRA you were actually singing my praises.

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

This is one of the more mental threads I've read in a long time on boards.

guy2231

Titus Hundreds Slang wrote: »

This is one of the more mental threads I've read in a long time on boards.

Then you should check out the other threads on the IRA and Sinn Fein, it's madness over there.

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

guy2231 wrote: »

Then you should check out the other threads on the IRA and Sinn Fein, it's madness over there.

Thanks but this is enough crazy for me.

guy2231

guy2231 wrote: »

You see guys, this is exactly the kind of guff I have been giving people for supporting the old IRA, the only difference is this guy is for real.

And i stand right beside him. There’s two places that active Provos belong: in four walls with walks in the yard for half an hour a day or brains splattered across the wall courtesy of the security forces of the Irish Republic.

There are four armed groups on the island of Ireland that don’t deserve death, as they have the ability to decide to take life lawfully, an ability given by democratic mandate. Those are the two police forces on the island: an Garda Siochana & the PSNI, and the two armed forces on the island, the Irish Defence Forces and the British armed forces (within which many Irish citizens serve as they want to soldier and the Irish Defence Forces aren’t hiring them).

PIRA and Militant republicans have taken the lives of all four of these forces. They are enemies of all four of these forces, and enemies of the States these forces represent.

Nationalist, Unionist, ever since the GFI anyone with a gun in their hand outside the Four deserve one of two things- A cell, or a bullet.

Now, if you want to say “BuT oLd IrA ArE TwO Of ThOsE ForSeZ” you don’t see the Brits on about the Boston Tea Party to the USAF in Lakenheath. Things change lad.

I respect the old RA, and want the Provos dead or jailed. I make peace with the atrocities as best I can, with careful consideration as I am told of the details.

If you’ve a problem with that, that’s on you. If it compels you to violence, I wish you a swift death.

guy2231

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And i stand right beside him. There’s two places that active Provos belong: in four walls with walks in the yard for half an hour a day or brains splattered across the wall courtesy of the security forces of the Irish Republic.

There are four armed groups on the island of Ireland that don’t deserve death, as they have the ability to decide to take life lawfully, an ability given by democratic mandate. Those are the two police forces on the island: an Garda Siochana & the PSNI, and the two armed forces on the island, the Irish Defence Forces and the British armed forces (within which many Irish citizens serve as they want to soldier and the Irish Defence Forces aren’t hiring them).

PIRA and Militant republicans have taken the lives of all four of these forces. They are enemies of all four of these forces, and enemies of the States these forces represent.

Nationalist, Unionist, ever since the GFI anyone with a gun in their hand outside the Four deserve one of two things- A cell, or a bullet.

Now, if you want to say “BuT oLd IrA ArE TwO Of ThOsE ForSeZ” you don’t see the Brits on about the Boston Tea Party to the USAF in Lakenheath. Things change lad.

I respect the old RA, and want the Provos dead or jailed. I make peace with the atrocities as best I can, with careful consideration as I am told of the details.

If you’ve a problem with that, that’s on you. If it compels you to violence, I wish you a swift death.

You clearly by this post don't even realise the provos are gone, I agree any militant republicans with guns in their hand right now outside those four groups deserve jail.

I hope the majority of the people who read this thread can see this ill informed nonsense for what it is, nonsense.

I don't know how to reply to this other than what I have already said that the reasons you give here for hating the provos, the old IRA done on a far larger scale and had far less concern for civilian casualties than the provos did.

I have yet to see a valid argument differentiating the two groups all I have seen is people spouting reasons to hate the provos that could be equally used against the old IRA, which naturally I can only put it down to lack of knowledge on both oragnisations, I am open to any reasonable arguments but this kind of guff is being seen by me for exactly what it is, nonsense.

I even had a poster earlier bringing up the disappeared as a reason to hate the provos even though the old IRA disappeared 15 times as many people in 3 years than the provos did in 30.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/old-ira-disappearances-off-the-scale-compared-with-pira-1.3602395

guy2231

guy2231 wrote: »

You clearly by this post don't even realise the provos are gone, I agree any militant republicans with guns in their hand right now outside those four groups deserve jail.

I hope the majority of the people who read this thread can see this ill informed nonsense for what it is, nonsense.

1. They have successors.

2. Your hope is misplaced.