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    #62
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    jackboy wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

    Irish judge already ruled in his favour. State appealed grahams win to Europe.


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    #63
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    LMHC wrote: »
    He wouldn't have legal aide. Guys filthy rich.

    He got legal aid for the trial no working person who can no longer work due to being in prison can afford something like this


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    #64
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    jackboy wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

    The law is the law. A judge can't lock him up illegally, no matter what he did.


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    #65
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    monkeybutter wrote: »
    He got legal aid for the trial no working person who can no longer work due to being in prison can afford something like this

    No he wasn't on legal aide. He sold his home for 1.6 million.


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    #66
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    LMHC wrote: »
    Irish judge already ruled in his favour. State appealed grahams win to Europe.

    Not to let him out, that would be very different.


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    #67
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    LMHC wrote: »
    No he wasn't on legal aide. He sold his home for 1.6 million.

    Yes he was, the home was sold after the trial

    Did you think he owned it outright?

    And you have no idea how much these things cost

    The house sold for say 600k

    Stop making things up, it was a 3 bed house of horrors


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    #68
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not to let him out, that would be very different.

    They ruled the only evidence that corroborated the states case was illegal. Alan Wilson won his murder trial on mariora on same ruling.


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    #69
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    monkeybutter wrote: »
    Yes he was, the home was sold after the trial

    Did you think he owned it outright?

    And you have no idea how much these things cost

    The house sold for say 600k

    Stop making things up, it was a 3 bed house of horrors

    600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out


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    #70
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    LMHC wrote: »
    600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

    Do you think I'm wrong or something

    Did you even look it up

    Cause if you'd have paid 1.6 mill for it I have some beans I'm selling..


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    #71
    banie01
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Not to let him out, that would be very different.

    Without the phone data, his conviction is flawed and will be quashed.
    The government will seek a retrial but we don't yet live in a country where internment or holding people in prison at the whim of a Government and in the absence of due process is the norm.


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    #72
    Speedline
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    LMHC wrote: »
    600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

    To be fair the house only went up for sale 2 or 3 years ago. I remember reading it was broken into a few times after being empty for years.

    Edit - https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sale-agreed-for-murderer-graham-dwyers-former-family-home-38874893.html
    It was up for 600k alright.


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    #73
    Asdfgh2020
    Registered Users Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    LMHC wrote: »
    What should I call him and i ll address as such from now on.

    He who must not be named.

    Gradwy

    Anything else you'd like Me to call him. He's still a human being, you don't have to like or agree with him. But I've been in prison and I feel I'm no position to judge.

    At least use his surname like everyone else here…..addressing him by his ‘first name’ suggests respect and that is the last thing this absolute abomination deserves….by the way if you have met him is it true that he is only a 5’ ft 2’’ inch short ass…?


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    #74
    spring lane jack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 163 ✭✭spring lane jack


    jackboy wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

    If released he would probably be immediately recharged with Murder and remanded again. They changed the law in Ireland regarding being trialled twice on the same offense. There appeared to be ****loads of evidence against him at the trial so even without the omitted evidence that he appealed the state could still have a successful case against him. I would hope so anyway.


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    #75
    Asdfgh2020
    Registered Users Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    LMHC wrote: »
    Remy is his barrister id imagine.

    Remy should be proud of himself also……the misery His efforts may once again heap Onto the o’hara family…


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    #76
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    At least use his surname like everyone else here…..addressing him by his ‘first name’ suggests respect and that is the last thing this absolute abomination deserves….by the way if you have met him is it true that he is only a 5’ ft 2’’ inch short ass…?

    No, 5 ft 7 or 8, normal enough


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    #77
    Asdfgh2020
    Registered Users Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    monkeybutter wrote: »
    No, 5 ft 7 or 8, normal enough

    Not a short ass then but nothing huge either…..I wonder has he got a ‘hiding or two’ since his sentence began…? I’d say There are plenty Who Would fancy turning him into ‘A punch bag’


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    #78
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    LMHC wrote: »
    600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

    The house only went on the market in 2019, and the asking price was €595,000

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/foxrock-home-of-convicted-murderer-graham-dwyer-put-up-for-sale-1.4095671

    The listing is still up, sill marked as “Sale Agreed”: https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/6-kerrymount-close-foxrock-dublin-18/4391771


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    #79
    Brian?
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    LMHC wrote: »
    Irish judge already ruled in his favour. State appealed grahams win to Europe.

    Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #80
    BattleCorp
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    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Remy should be proud of himself also……the misery His efforts may once again heap Onto the o’hara family…

    You are a bit harsh on the barrister. Everyone is entitled to a legal defence. He is only doing his job.

    Article 40.1 of the Irish Constitution says the State cannot discriminate between citizens and denying Dwyer legal representation would breach those rights (no matter what he did or is accused of doing).


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    #81
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    Brian? wrote: »
    Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

    Well here read this then.

    The State’s appeal over a High Court ruling upholding Dwyer’s challenge to a 2011 data retention law has important implications for the investigation and prosecution of serious crime and may also impact on Dwyer’s separate appeal over his 2015 conviction for the murder of childcare worker Elaine O’Hara.

    Dwyer's challenge was upheld this means he won. Then the state appealed it.


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    #82
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    Brian? wrote: »
    Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1206/1015454-graham-dwyer/


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    #83
    BattleCorp
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

    Dwyer won his case in the High Court. https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1206/1015454-graham-dwyer/

    The State appealed it to the Supreme Court who referred it to Europe and that's where we are at now.

    Dwyer has won the first round, but it's not over yet. But given other EU rulings on similar data cases, Dwyer seems to be on the front foot - unfortunately.


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    #84
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    I understand the crime was unsavory but we need to be logical he still has rights.


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    #85
    Immortal Starlight
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Immortal Starlight


    He might have rights but I also have the right to hope he never again will see the light of day.


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    #86
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 17,066 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    LMHC wrote: »
    I understand the crime was unsavory but we need to be logical he still has rights.

    Unsavoury is something of an understatement tbf.

    Glazers Out!



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    #87
    walshb
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    It’s an absolute red herring crock of Sh1t..

    The law is an ass...so very apt!


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    #88
    LMHC
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭LMHC


    nullzero wrote: »
    Unsavoury is something of an understatement tbf.

    Who are we to judge.


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    #89
    nullzero
    Registered Users Posts: 17,066 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    LMHC wrote: »
    Who are we to judge.

    Who are we to judge a man who premeditated the murder of a mentally ill woman and then set about dismembering her remains and subsequently buried them in several locations?

    You know what? You've convinced me, Graham Dwyer poses to threat to society, we should release him and punish the Gardai for persecuting him.

    Glazers Out!



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    #90
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    LMHC wrote: »
    Who are we to judge.

    Who are we to judge what he did is unsavoury?

    Is that you Mr feg?

    He has been judged already


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    #91
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users Posts: 3,826 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    nullzero wrote: »
    Who are we to judge a man who premeditated the murder of a mentally ill woman and then set about dismembering her remains and subsequently buried them in several locations?

    You know what? You've convinced me, Graham Dwyer poses to threat to society, we should release him and punish the Gardai for persecuting him.

    All you have to do is look at how old the user account is and how many posts to see how seriously you should take them


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