iOS15/WWDC June 7th

DubDJ

Apple just invented the VPN

DubDJ

DubDJ wrote: »

Hopefully the iCloud features include a bump from the base 5GB of storage.

Nope!

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maps is as good as google maps in Ireland. And their version of street view called Look Around is, where it works, pretty amazing. It is fairly limited as to where it is used though.

It isn’t even close to Google Maps here. If you can’t type in the postal code and have it point to the correct location then it’s pointless for the majority of the country. Maybe there’s a small use case in cities where you’ve street names and house numbers if that’s where you are mostly. Not using a far superior app on your device because “they” make it and then lying to yourself about it is a questionable decision.

DubDJ

In fairness to them, the iCloud stuff is good, especially with no price increases. I’m guessing that means anyone who pays for one of the higher tiers gets all those features for free.

This is a long event, no even watchOS or macOS yet, and rumours on HomeKit and TV updates so still a lot to come.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It isn’t even close to Google Maps here. If you can’t type in the postal code and have it point to the correct location then it’s pointless for the majority of the country. Maybe there’s a small use case in cities where you’ve street names and house numbers if that’s where you are mostly. Not using a far superior app on your device because “they” make it and then lying to yourself about it is a questionable decision.

Just tried that and it worked for me on two locations.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just tried that and it worked for me on two locations.

I’ve just tried 5 different ones now. 2 rural and 3 ‘D’ eircodes and they all just ignore the last 4 digits of the code.

adox

Any word on lossless audio for Apple Music yet?

Can’t watch the stream and on,y getting intermittent updates.

DubDJ

DubDJ wrote: »

In fairness to them, the iCloud stuff is good, especially with no price increases. I’m guessing that means anyone who pays for one of the higher tiers gets all those features for free.

This is a long event, no even watchOS or macOS yet, and rumours on HomeKit and TV updates so still a lot to come.

No hardware updates I guess. No time. Also the Keynote has little or nothing about software anymore for Devs, besides that mention of coding on the iPad.

murpho999

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It isn’t even close to Google Maps here. If you can’t type in the postal code and have it point to the correct location then it’s pointless for the majority of the country. Maybe there’s a small use case in cities where you’ve street names and house numbers if that’s where you are mostly. Not using a far superior app on your device because “they” make it and then lying to yourself about it is a questionable decision.

You're just going on about the Eircode, which as I have said is unique to Ireland in that the code is linked to one address and it works in most cases.

But most people don't use eircodes and use normal addesses and the app works very well with that and just because you're looking for rural locations it does not mean the majority of people are as the majority of addresses in Ireland have street names and house numbers.

The app itself and its features are very good and I think it's superior to Google Maps in layout and functions and even has a proper Irish accent.
You are deeming it uselss due to your unique personal needs which is not really fair especially as you said you don't have the app installed so how can you judge it?

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’ve just tried 5 different ones now. 2 rural and 3 ‘D’ eircodes and they all just ignore the last 4 digits of the code.

Worked for me on all the places I searched.

adox

Yeah I just tried maps there with eircodes only and it found both business and home addresses.

Mr.S

Mr.S wrote: »

Strange, for Dublin Eircodes it gives me the extra address.

I also tried my parent's (plus a few random ones I've never searched for) Eircode in rural Kerry and it picked it up no bother.

I’ve just searched the Eircode for the Radisson Blu in Athlone. Even though it doesn’t show it, I had the A8X9 in the Apple Maps search also.

drogon.

EirCode can be hit or miss in Dublin as well, have certainly had Apple Maps bring me to some random spot rather than actual address few times !

Mr.S

Mr.S wrote: »

Strange, for that Eircode I also don't get the correct result, it only picks up N37.

Something to do with the Eircode API?

Other searches with just the Eircode do pickup the extra address though, so it's for sure possible.

I don’t doubt that a lot of you are getting correct results but it’s odd that I’m hitting 0% on any I search. Maybe they haven’t bought the full database.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I don’t doubt that a lot of you are getting correct results but it’s odd that I’m hitting 0% on any I search. Maybe they haven’t bought the full database.

I didn’t get your Athlone address either. Is there a way to report it?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I didn’t get your Athlone address either. Is there a way to report it?

If there is then they’re normally fairly quick to fix things from past experience

Sad Professor

Funny to see them playing up Safari tab syncing considering it was completely broken there for months.

Anyway, the Mac. This whole continuity thing is ok but not sure it’s ground breaking. Shortcuts? Let’s see. Automation is nice but nothing special.

The whole trend seems to be to design for people with two devices, specially iPad and Mac. How common is that.

drogon.

Honestly feels like Apple is scraping the barrel for ideas now. Nothing ground breaking, feels more like a point release rather than new version of the OS.

On a side note, feels like google is in a similar boat with Android 12

drogon.

drogon. wrote: »

Honestly feels like Apple is scraping the barrel for ideas now. Nothing ground breaking, feels more like a point release rather than new version of the OS.

On a side note, feels like google is in a similar boat with Android 12

Well new tabs is definitely filler. The kind of thing that would appear on a slide in other years.

Gregor Samsa

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The whole trend seems to be to design for people with two devices, specially iPad and Mac. How common is that.

I’d say it’s fairly common for someone with a Mac to also have an iPad. The other way around, certainly not so much, but I guess that’s something Apple would like to change, and therefore they’ll create features that encourage that.

drogon.

https://twitter.com/jowens510/status/1401972952590000131?s=20

DubDJ

Mixed bag this year. Some nice to have features, a lot of features aimed at those who rely heavily on some of the Apple apps and services.

I’d say most of the those messages/FaceTime continuity type stuff is aimed at the US market.

There’s definitely a lot of features this year, some really nice additions. But more of a scattering of smaller updates and features. Nothing major or standout this year it seems, not necessarily a bad thing though. Last year had some bigger updates, hopefully this year will also be a list of solid releases.

Agent Coulson

Looking at the privacy anything that will p1ss Zuckerberg off is a good thing.

Mr.S

Mr.S wrote: »

One of the reasons why I prefer the Apple ecosystem, everything is connected.

I’d say there is a high % of users with an iPhone and either a MacBook / iMac or iPad.

How seamless having the phone and iPad is is the main thing keeps me with Apple. It’s great how it works.

Gregor Samsa

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

I’d say it’s fairly common for someone with a Mac to also have an iPad. The other way around, certainly not so much, but I guess that’s something Apple would like to change, and therefore they’ll create features that encourage that.

They are definitely promoting it. I would have thought that an iPad and an iPhone, or an iPhone and a Mac (laptop) would make more sense for most. It looks like they want to promote the iPad as a content creator as well these days.


What was missing from this, was any mention of performance increases in software with the M1 chip, and any mention of the new M2 chip. My guess that will come later, and they have worked on it.

I doubt they spent that much developer time on safari tabs ( although hats off to the intern who did that, good work).

murpho999

drogon. wrote: »

Honestly feels like Apple is scraping the barrel for ideas now. Nothing ground breaking, feels more like a point release rather than new version of the OS.

On a side note, feels like google is in a similar boat with Android 12

This gets said almost every year.
How do you define groundbreaking?
I think I've heard people complain about software updates since iOS3.

It's just impossible to have something earthshattering at this stage of the game and I don't see Android doing anything major either.
It's always gradual increments that lead to overall improvements.

If you go back 5 years to iOS10 you'll see that things have changed a lot and vastly improved despite people complaining ever year that there's nothing new of good.

murpho999

DubDJ wrote: »

Mixed bag this year. Some nice to have features, a lot of features aimed at those who rely heavily on some of the Apple apps and services.

I’d say most of the those messages/FaceTime continuity type stuff is aimed at the US market.

There’s definitely a lot of features this year, some really nice additions. But more of a scattering of smaller updates and features. Nothing major or standout this year it seems, not necessarily a bad thing though. Last year had some bigger updates, hopefully this year will also be a list of solid releases.

Only for the reason that What's App and What's App video calling or Zoom are more popular in US than in Ireland and Europe.

I don't know why, I much prefer iMessage to Whats App. Just a cleaner app that presents photos and web page links better imho.

drogon.

murpho999 wrote: »

This gets said almost every year.

How do you define groundbreaking?

I think I've heard people complain about software updates since iOS3.

It's just impossible to have something earthshattering at this stage of the game and I don't see Android doing anything major either.

It's always gradual increments that lead to overall improvements.

If you go back 5 years to iOS10 you'll see that things have changed a lot and vastly improved despite people complaining ever year that there's nothing new of good.

As an example, they have been touting iPad as a desktop replacement for a while now, and with the M1 chip I was hoping to see more capability. But this clearly hasn't happened, they added App drawer and widgets from iOS and multitasking was already there, they just changed how it worked. No proper external display support or other inspiration from the Mac.

murpho999

drogon. wrote: »

As an example, they have been touting iPad as a desktop replacement for a while now, and with the M1 chip I was hoping to see more capability. But this clearly hasn't happened, they added App drawer and widgets from iOS and multitasking was already there, they just changed how it worked. No proper external display support or other inspiration from the Mac.

I don't think Apple really have been touting the iPad as a desktop replacement but more the media and users asking if it could.

The M1 strategy in an Ipad is not clear yet and is a new strategy and I think it will become clearer over the next couple of years as it matures.
Either way you'll always find something that a release can't do.

I personally think iOS 15 is a solid update.

drogon.

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't think Apple really have been touting the iPad as a desktop replacement but more the media and users asking if it could.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/19/18103515/ipad-pro-replace-your-computer-ad-apple

murpho999

drogon. wrote: »

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/19/18103515/ipad-pro-replace-your-computer-ad-apple

Ok, never seen that before but it's marketing from 2018 and may not have been received well.

Don't see anything on current website for current products promoting the idea of using a tablet as replacement for desktop/laptop.

Either way depending on personal requirements it may well be for some people as not everyone requires a screen to connect to etc.

Oafley Jones

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't think Apple really have been touting the iPad as a desktop replacement but more the media and users asking if it could.

Have to file that under strongly disagree. Even before the Pros, it’s been crystal clear that the iPad is apple’s ideal vision to what a computer should be. Of course they’re not going to explicitly tell you to not buy a laptop though.

drogon.

drogon. wrote: »

As an example, they have been touting iPad as a desktop replacement for a while now, and with the M1 chip I was hoping to see more capability. But this clearly hasn't happened, they added App drawer and widgets from iOS and multitasking was already there, they just changed how it worked. No proper external display support or other inspiration from the Mac.

They haven't been touting iPad as a replacement for the Mac, they have been clear about that for years, clearly the point of continuity is as a companion for the Mac. Thats all they want.

awec

Mr.S wrote: »

I've been using Apple Maps more and more these days, it's actually very good now.

lol.

It’s awful. It’s at least 10 years behind google. I have to say of all the things Apple do, by a massive distance maps is by far the worst.

As for whoever said Maps is as good as Google in Ireland, I’ve some snake oil here I’d like to sell you.

Apple Maps, in 2021, is the worst maps product on the market. It’s not even close.

Unicorn Milk Latte

awec wrote: »

I have to say of all the things Apple do, by a massive distance maps is by far the worst.

Guess you haven't used the Books app on iOS for a while :)


It was actually quite good in the early days of iOS, they re-designed it, with disastrous results..

peteeeed

quite a few dolby atmos spatial audio albums there this morning

Royale with Cheese

I don't suppose there was any talk of adding proper external monitor support in iPadOS 15? The iPad pro could replace a desktop for quite a lot of people but not until they add that.

DubDJ

Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos and Lossless have been switched on. You’ll need to dig into the music settings to enable it.

I’m using the AirPods Pro’s so I’m obviously not able to try proper lossless. I can say I hear a small improvement. Not night or day or anything, but the music feels warmer if that makes sense.

The Spatial Audio works as expected, turning your head makes it seems like the audio is coming from the side. I’d tried it once before with Apple TV, it’s much handier with music though.

quokula

drogon. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jowens510/status/1401972952590000131?s=20

As somebody who's made some apps on the side that have made a reasonable amount of money, I can say that Apple may be taking 30% (actually it's been 15% for the last year or so), but I'm absolutely certain that without the tools, services and storefront that Apple provide I'd have zero sales and I'd be without 100% of that income.

And it is technically Apple that pay me. Customers pay them. I don't need to worry about taking credit card details, calculating vat, handling refunds etc, Apple do all of that and send me a single monthly payment. And even for the largest companies on the app store, that is still the same situation. So the statement is not really inaccurate.

Gregor Samsa

Listening here to some Lossless/Atmos stuff on my MacBook Pro via an Arturia Audiofuse audio interface that's capable of 24-bit/192 kHz, and a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 80 Ohm headphones. I'm absolutely no audiophile, but I use this setup for music production.

Big difference in the clarity and detail of the top quality Lossless streams compared to Lossless turned off.

Not sure what the story is with Atmos. Having it On (or Automatic) makes the audio much quieter. When I turn it up on the Audiofuse to compensate, I get some better spatial separation in some of the instruments. Now, these are obviously stereo headphones with just one driver in each ear, but the point of Atmos was is that it uses software trickery that doesn't require actual multiple drivers. It seems that you either get Atmos or Lossless (the "Kind" in Get Info > File changes from "Lossless Audio" to "Dolby Atmos" depending on the settings. They don't mention what the sample or bit rate of the Atmos stuff is (at least in Apple Music itself, it's probably documented somewhere).

Also it's interesting that even the albums that have the Atmos and Lossless icons on them aren't necessiarly completely available in these formats. I'm listening to The Weeknd "After Hours" at the moment, and if you look in Get Info > File, you'll see that some songs (e.g Blinding Lights) have a "Kind" that mentions whether it's playing in Atmos or Lossless, and others (e.g Save Your Tears) don't (and just mention that it's a 44.100 kHz 256 kbps stream).

Edit: but strangely, they use Save Your Tears for one of the demos in the "Introducing Spatial Audio" demo in Apple Music, which compares the Stereo version with the Spatial Audio version (and there is a big difference). Not sure why the SA version isn't showing up on my Mac on the album itself.

whippet

I am far from an audiophile - but just tried a couple of Atmos / Lossless tracks on my iPhone 12 Pro and AirPod Max ... and I can really notice the difference. Listening to Drive from REM and you really pick up everything

drogon.

fvp4 wrote: »

They haven't been touting iPad as a replacement for the Mac, they have been clear about that for years, clearly the point of continuity is as a companion for the Mac. Thats all they want.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. But when you sell an iPad with 16GB of memory and a desktop chip in it; one would expect the software to be inline with the hardware.

Unicorn Milk Latte

whippet wrote: »

I am far from an audiophile - but just tried a couple of Atmos / Lossless tracks on my iPhone 12 Pro and AirPod Max ... and I can really notice the difference.

Lossless will not work with any wireless headphones. Limits of the Bluetooth spec...

DubDJ wrote: »

I’m using the AirPods Pro’s so I’m obviously not able to try proper lossless. I can say I hear a small improvement. Not night or day or anything, but the music feels warmer if that makes sense.

The only way to realistically determine the difference between lossless and lossy is to do a blind test. One tool to do that is Apple's free AUlab, available here.

I did that a few years ago, and, while I was able to often identify which is which, I found that AAC is surprisingly close to lossless audio. Impossible to hear the difference, unless you have very good speakers or headphones.

The audible difference between cheap and good speakers is much larger than the difference between 256k AAC and 16bit/44k wav (as in CDs).




When it comes to 'hi-res' uncompressed audio - there is a difference between 16bit and 24bit - every recording studio uses 24bit during recording and mixing, then, as a last step, reduces word length and dithers, to get 16bit.


The bit depth determines the dynamic range (quietest to loudest signal), sample rate determines which frequencies are available (44k sample rate > highest available frequency is 22kHz, just above the limit of a young person's hearing).


With sample rates, theoretically there should be no audible difference between hearing 44k and 96k if the converters are designed properly. But some converters are designed to sound better at 96k, for marketing reasons.


Anything higher than 96k can actually be detrimental for the audio quality.
(Source: pdf from Dan Lavry, who designs high end converters widely used in professional recording studios).


When you upsample audio that was recorded at 44k, there is, obviously, no improvement - you cannot recover ultra high frequency content that is not there in the first place.

AFAIK, most professional recording studios still record at 44k (48k for film), with some using 88k or 96k. 192k is not common with professionals.


And - most microphones used in the recording studio don't pick up much, if anything, above 22k. Most specs of microphone list 20-22k as upper limit.

Gregor Samsa

DubDJ wrote: »

The Spatial Audio works as expected, turning your head makes it seems like the audio is coming from the side. I’d tried it once before with Apple TV, it’s much handier with music though.

I don't think the Spatial Audio for music supporters any kind of head tracking (the way it does for movie audio). I think it's just a "3D" soundstage, where elements of the audio are positioned in a 3D space around your head. It would get a bit disconcerting if the music kept moving around as you walked or ran in the street. With movie audio, you have a frame of reference (the screen) that makes sense in relation to moving your head. With pure audio, there's isn't such a frame of reference (outside of your head). Which is why Spatial Audio for music is supported by any headphones, whereas that for movies is only supported by AirPods with sensors for head tracking.

Creamy Goodness

It's mad how times have changed, 4-5 years ago this thread would have been 10-15 pages deep, it's now sitting at 3. Which is what I'd expect for the week before an event.

This probably lends itself well to Murpho's point on what can be done that's truly ground breaking.

A few of my thoughts though:

1. Overall a good show and a lot of features do seem reactionary to the pandemic, some of them won't catch on but the improvements to FaceTime like screen sharing etc will make family tech support calls much easier.

2. Updates to iOS are now more blurred than ever, if one OS (macOS/iPadOS/WatchOS/iOS) gets a feature, they all get said feature in some shape or form. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, just muddies the message and probably helps that "meh" feeling some people are having.

3. A lot of the things mentioned from being a zoom competitor to text detection to OMGZ Apple has reinvented a VPN are all things that other platforms have done for years and done better in some and worse in others but more importantly there's an Apple version now and users have the choice in choosing. Apple Maps has come a long way, I still but heads with it's Places of Interest data say 1 in 5 times, but beforehand it was 4 in 5 times. This is enough of an improvement in Apple Maps as it excels in everything else "for me". I still have the choice of opening up Google/Waze/etc if I so wish and I still do for certain locations.

4. Lossless and Spatial are good additions, nice to get them at no extra cost.

5. Disappointed - but deep down knew - at the iPad updates. I thought we would have been shown why the new iPad Pro's got M1 chips, we didn't. The iPad updates though are nice quality of life improvements at the same time though. With a lot of this stuff a lot things can be both true.


I have thoughts on the developer stuff as a developer but that'll bore the arse everyone :pac:

Gregor Samsa

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

5. Disappointed - but deep down knew - at the iPad updates. I thought we would have been shown why the new iPad Pro's got M1 chips, we didn't. The iPad updates though are nice quality of life improvements at the same time though. With a lot of this stuff a lot things can be both true.

I'd say we won't see the fruit of the M1 chips in iPads until more (or most or all) of the line move over to them. If they were to do it now, it would effectively fragment the line into two platforms with different capabilities.

Unicorn Milk Latte

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

It's mad how times have changed, 4-5 years ago this thread would have been 10-15 pages deep, it's now sitting at 3. Which is what I'd expect for the week before an event.

This probably lends itself well to Murpho's point on what can be done that's truly ground breaking.

A few of my thoughts though:

1. Overall a good show and a lot of features do seem reactionary to the pandemic, some of them won't catch on but the improvements to FaceTime like screen sharing etc will make family tech support calls much easier.

2. Updates to iOS are now more blurred than ever, if one OS (macOS/iPadOS/WatchOS/iOS) gets a feature, they all get said feature in some shape or form. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, just muddies the message and probably helps that "meh" feeling some people are having.

3. A lot of the things mentioned from being a zoom competitor to text detection to OMGZ Apple has reinvented a VPN are all things that other platforms have done for years and done better in some and worse in others but more importantly there's an Apple version now and users have the choice in choosing. Apple Maps has come a long way, I still but heads with it's Places of Interest data say 1 in 5 times, but beforehand it was 4 in 5 times. This is enough of an improvement in Apple Maps as it excels in everything else "for me". I still have the choice of opening up Google/Waze/etc if I so wish and I still do for certain locations.

4. Lossless and Spatial are good additions, nice to get them at no extra cost.

5. Disappointed - but deep down knew - at the iPad updates. I thought we would have been shown why the new iPad Pro's got M1 chips, we didn't. The iPad updates though are nice quality of life improvements at the same time though. With a lot of this stuff a lot things can be both true.


I have thoughts on the developer stuff as a developer but that'll bore the arse everyone :pac:

Mostly agree. Seems like it's mostly improvements of what we already have this year. Nothing as fundamental as, say, APFS a few years ago.



As for your developer perspective: please don't hold back. I often find that what is going on 'under the hood' is much more interesting than the end user facing announcements.

Creamy Goodness

Unicorn Milk Latte wrote: »

Mostly agree. Seems like it's mostly improvements of what we already have this year. Nothing as fundamental as, say, APFS a few years ago.

As of your developer perspective: please don't hold back. I often find that what is going on 'under the hood' much more interesting than the end user facing announcements.

Ok cool but bear in mind I haven't had a chance to watch any sessions or even the State of the union talks and a lot of this information would be gotten second hand from other developers on Twitter/Slack's I'm in.

Xcode cloud looks absolutely super, this was tech that buddy build had about 5-6 years ago and they disappeared with Apple bought them 4~ years ago. I had resigned myself into thinking they were acqui-hired but it looks well integrated and solves a lot of pain points developers have around releasing apps to the App Store. I didn't see how well it worked for enterprise apps which is where I'd really be interested to see.

Xcode 13 UI got a nice new lick of paint, new colour and icons in the side bar makes it very visual for me to find what I want. You can also minimise warnings at build time super useful if you have 3rd party SDKs in your projects that have warnings and you can't necessarily just fix them yourself.

New Async/await stuff, ObjectiveC had it for donkeys, it's now here in Swift form. Async/await was why a few developers I know held out on swift, this is great albeit long time coming.

APIs to create those split panel view controllers you see in the likes of Apple Maps and Find My. They seem to be a hot topic in terms of UI/UX at the moment being able to create them using Apple's APIs rather than yet another 3rd party dependency is a nice addition.

Xcode 13 will auto-import frameworks as needed, no more typing class SuperDuperView: View and having the compiler scream at you cause you haven't imported SwiftUI, it just imports it.

UIImage gets an Async option, (a view that will automatically download an image from a URL and place it in the view when it's downloaded) again another 3rd party dependency gone!

Testflight for Mac, again long time coming and a huge... finally from me.


It might take me a few years to be able to use these (as I support a lot of legacy apps) but to see these amounts of improvements in one year when all of us were working from home is huge.

peteeeed

Unicorn Milk Latte wrote: »

Lossless will not work with any wireless headphones. Limits of the Bluetooth spec...





The only way to realistically determine the difference between lossless and lossy is to do a blind test. One tool to do that is Apple's free AUlab, available here.

I did that a few years ago, and, while I was able to often identify which is which, I found that AAC is surprisingly close to lossless audio. Impossible to hear the difference, unless you have very good speakers or headphones.

The audible difference between cheap and good speakers is much larger than the difference between 256k AAC and 16bit/44k wav (as in CDs).




When it comes to 'hi-res' uncompressed audio - there is a difference between 16bit and 24bit - every recording studio uses 24bit during recording and mixing, then, as a last step, reduces word length and dithers, to get 16bit.


The bit depth determines the dynamic range (quietest to loudest signal), sample rate determines which frequencies are available (44k sample rate > highest available frequency is 22kHz, just above the limit of a young person's hearing).


With sample rates, theoretically there should be no audible difference between hearing 44k and 96k if the converters are designed properly. But some converters are designed to sound better at 96k, for marketing reasons.


Anything higher than 96k can actually be detrimental for the audio quality.
(Source: pdf from Dan Lavry, who designs high end converters widely used in professional recording studios).


When you upsample audio that was recorded at 44k, there is, obviously, no improvement - you cannot recover ultra high frequency content that is not there in the first place.

AFAIK, most professional recording studios still record at 44k (48k for film), with some using 88k or 96k. 192k is not common with professionals.


And - most microphones used in the recording studio don't pick up much, if anything, above 22k. Most specs of microphone list 20-22k as upper limit.

the sound improvement is very noticeable on my dolby atmos soundbar when playing music from the apple tv 4k box