Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

northcider85

northcider85 wrote: »

Curious. Did they say why? We have flights "scheduled" for July 11th to Malaga
On a separate note, I watched an Ireland EU parliament webinar earlier. They mentioned a proposal will be brought forward next week in the EU parliament to allow unrestricted travel for vaccinated EU citizens. Hopefully the Irish government relent on this topic

They cancel the less popular flights and move everyone to the busiest that week. Getting ridiculous how often they have a sale then cancel

TefalBrain

Klonker wrote: »

Will PCR test on return not he needed for the unvaccinated?

No idea. The response i gave was to a fully vaccinated poster. After the 19th they won't require any tests or quarantine no matter where they travel in Europe anyway.

Ms.Sunshine

normanoffside wrote: »

You don’t need a negative test on any end if flying to and from Belfast.
If flying from Dublin you need one on the way back.

I’m not sure I’ll need a negative test coming home ?

M_Murphy57

Ms.Sunshine wrote: »

I’m not sure I’ll need a negative test coming home ?

From the UK? Before July 19th everyone needs PCR coming in from uk, even the vaccinated. After july 19th all unvaccinated including kids over 6 need them.

Gael23

Ignacius wrote: »

Hi all,
Would anybody have advice on my wife’s parents getting here for September from Melbourne ? They will both be vaccinated by next week but don’t think they can leave Melbourne. We rescheduled our wedding last year and had a registry wedding. I saw on the Australian website that a wedding may be compassionate grounds. We are already married even though her parents didn’t get to be there so I doubt this would apply.
We would like to not have to reschedule.
Does anybody have any advice or any experience dealing with this?

It is currently illegal to leave Australia

M_Murphy57

Heres our embarrassingly useless leader acting like hes just a passive bystander in the running of the country and not the person who is supposed to have decision making power:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1227280/

If everyone in govt right to the top agrees with antigen testing why in the name of all holy **** are we not using it.

I knew MM was weak, but this is just beyond.

Tazz T

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Heres our embarrassingly useless leader acting like hes just a passive bystander in the running of the country and not the person who is supposed to have decision making power:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1227280/

If everyone in govt right to the top agrees with antigen testing why in the name of all holy **** are we not using it.

I knew MM was weak, but this is just beyond.

There's a piece in the Indo this morning suggesting that the state will apply to the EU €100 million fund for assistance with PCR tests. I was under the impression that this fund had already been spent on antigen tests. Anyone know if this a separate fund from the 100 mill already spend on Antigen tests?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/going-abroad-again-may-not-be-quite-as-expensive-as-we-feared-as-state-to-apply-to-100m-eu-fund-for-pcr-tests-40526061.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IN:Daily&hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE3OS1mOWQwLWE0ZTUtYjNhZC0xNzE2M2VkMGFiODHaACQ1YWNhNmYxNy03ZTFmLTQwZDYtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjYznaACRkZWRkMmEzMi1lNzgxLTQ5ZjUtYmE3My05MmRhOGQxYTdjNTS5Tn1wLW01ANI_vhooeXX-6YlJCfsmMO-EHkRoa8Ke3w

nonethepfizer

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

From the UK? Before July 19th everyone needs PCR coming in from uk, even the vaccinated. After july 19th all unvaccinated including kids over 6 need them.

have you a link for where this is mentioned?

I need to send it only a relation.

M_Murphy57

nonethepfizer wrote: »

have you a link for where this is mentioned?

I need to send it only a relation.

All the pre july 19th stuff is on gov.ie

Is your relative Irish? If so, details of the operation of the vaccine passport will cover off post july 19th.

If your relative is English it's a bit clouded- the only "official" doc I'm aware of is the print out of the flow chart that gav reilly tweeted which didnt actually have details of how non EU travellers prove they are vaccinated. Might be safest for your relative to plan to take PCR for now and await further info.

But again if Irish it's just gov.ie or anything describing the EU green cert.

Tazz T

Tazz T wrote: »

There's a piece in the Indo this morning suggesting that the state will apply to the EU €100 million fund for assistance with PCR tests. I was under the impression that this fund had already been spent on antigen tests. Anyone know if this a separate fund from the 100 mill already spend on Antigen tests?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/going-abroad-again-may-not-be-quite-as-expensive-as-we-feared-as-state-to-apply-to-100m-eu-fund-for-pcr-tests-40526061.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IN:Daily&hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE3OS1mOWQwLWE0ZTUtYjNhZC0xNzE2M2VkMGFiODHaACQ1YWNhNmYxNy03ZTFmLTQwZDYtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjYznaACRkZWRkMmEzMi1lNzgxLTQ5ZjUtYmE3My05MmRhOGQxYTdjNTS5Tn1wLW01ANI_vhooeXX-6YlJCfsmMO-EHkRoa8Ke3w

Its Irelands share of the EU testing fund for people that frequently cross borders that was agreed with the DCC passing the other day
In Ireland it will pay for pcr tests for travel for the un vaccinated to the EU or the UK as I understand it

northcider85

northcider85 wrote: »

Curious. Did they say why? We have flights "scheduled" for July 11th to Malaga
On a separate note, I watched an Ireland EU parliament webinar earlier. They mentioned a proposal will be brought forward next week in the EU parliament to allow unrestricted travel for vaccinated EU citizens. Hopefully the Irish government relent on this topic

It will be interesting to see what happens on july 1
However Ireland can trump anything prescribed from the EU on public health grounds even after July 19th with the fire break clause
So no entry untill then is possible

faceman

mmclo wrote: »

But this won't satisfy Gardai??

I wasn’t talking about the Gardai nor would I be giving advice on how to break the law. I was merely talking about entry to Spain

Tazz T

Marine Layer wrote: »

Its Irelands share of the EU testing fund for people that frequently cross borders that was agreed with the DCC passing the other day
In Ireland it will pay for pcr tests for travel for the un vaccinated to the EU or the UK as I understand it

AFAIK that 100 million has been spent on 20 million antigen tests to be distributed among EU countries. Do you have a link to a separate fund?

Why would the EU agree to fund PCR testing if under the terms of the DCC only antigen testing is required?

EDIT: Looks like there is two separate funds, but the above question still applies. If Ireland requires more expensive PCR tests, EU is hardly likely to fund it. Convenient for the anti-antigeners.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/speech_21_2608

Tazz T

Tazz T wrote: »

AFAIK that 100 million has been spent on 20 million antigen tests to be distributed among EU countries. Do you have a link to a separate fund?

Why would the EU agree to fund PCR testing if under the terms of the DCC only antigen testing is required?

EDIT: Looks like there is two separate funds, but the above question still applies. If Ireland requires more expensive PCR tests, EU is hardly likely to fund it. Convenient for the anti-antigeners.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/speech_21_2608

It was reported on rte news at the time of the final agreement of the DCC
This was just a few days ago
It is a fund,its not spent money on anything
If I remember correctly it was reported as a grant to make tests free for frequent border crossers and that Ireland qualifies because like Malta it is an island

M_Murphy57

Marine Layer wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what happens on july 1
However Ireland can trump anything prescribed from the EU on public health grounds even after July 19th with the fire break clause
So no entry untill then is possible

No entry where? To ireland? Anyone can come here currently once they have a negative PCR (MHQ aside).

I also understand the "emergency break" is to be set an EU level not a local level (otherwise we are just left with the current situation where each country makes up their own stupid rules on ever changing undefined criteria)

M_Murphy57

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

No entry where? To ireland? Anyone can come here currently once they have a negative PCR (MHQ aside).

I also understand the "emergency break" is to be set an EU level not a local level (otherwise we are just left with the current situation where each country makes up their own stupid rules on ever changing undefined criteria)

Yeah without a negative pcr regardless of vaccine status

naughtysmurf

We had our June 8th Ryanair outbound flight to Fuerteventura cancelled weeks ago, took the voucher, no problem but they are still selling our inbound flight on June 19th, fare is €8, looks like they may fly that one possibly

munchkin_utd

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

No entry where? To ireland? Anyone can come here currently once they have a negative PCR (MHQ aside).

I also understand the "emergency break" is to be set an EU level not a local level (otherwise we are just left with the current situation where each country makes up their own stupid rules on ever changing undefined criteria)

There will be no influx to ireland of foreign tourists. Tony can rest happy that his ploy is working.

indeed anyone can come if they spend upwards of 100 euro each on a PCR test to enter, and add 50 to 100 euro again for a test when leaving to get back to where you came from - and multiply that by 4 or 5 for a family.

If youre sitting in Germany or the likes, do you
a) as a family pay a grand+ for tests on top of flights (and have the chance that your pcr test will be late and you need to abandon the trip or rebook flights as happened to someone I know last week coming from the UK) to go to a rainy island where everything is shocking dear as its booked up already with staycations from a captive home population.... or
b) go to the likes of Italy where you only need an antigen test and likely wont even need that in a few weeks, and theres sun, and theres plentiful affordable accomodation, and you can drive at the last minute eliminating any risk of loosing flights should test results not come through (even though antigen results tend to be there within 15 minutes tops, but even repeating a positive test you could drive a day later if needs be)

I know which way our family decision is currently tending

embraer170

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

They cancel the less popular flights and move everyone to the busiest that week. Getting ridiculous how often they have a sale then cancel

And on some routes they postpone the flights for a few weeks so you cannot even move the ticket because it is outside of the 14-day before/after window allowed. Only option is a refund.

nonethepfizer

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

All the pre july 19th stuff is on gov.ie

Is your relative Irish? If so, details of the operation of the vaccine passport will cover off post july 19th.

If your relative is English it's a bit clouded- the only "official" doc I'm aware of is the print out of the flow chart that gav reilly tweeted which didnt actually have details of how non EU travellers prove they are vaccinated. Might be safest for your relative to plan to take PCR for now and await further info.

But again if Irish it's just gov.ie or anything describing the EU green cert.

relative is Irish, it's more so for me though... I've to stay in their house (coming from UK), but they are strict on the government rules....

I'd happily just come back and do the PCR, but if the 5 day quarantine is still in place, they don't want me around.... like wise I wouldn't get a hotel or anything

Panthro

I'm in the UK. I want to go home early
August for the bank hol weekend.
I've had one jab. Not due the second until mid August.
Am I correct in saying I'll need a PCR test to get into Ireland. And complete a passanger locator form and quarantine for 5 days after which I can be tested for free?
That is if I go via Dublin?
And if I go via Belfast i don't have to do any of the above?

embraer170

embraer170 wrote: »

And on some routes they postpone the flights for a few weeks so you cannot even move the ticket because it is outside of the 14-day before/after window allowed. Only option is a refund.

What 14 day window? I have moved flights by months

TefalBrain

Panthro wrote: »

I'm in the UK. I want to go home early
August for the bank hol weekend.
I've had one jab. Not due the second until mid August.
Am I correct in saying I'll need a PCR test to get into Ireland. And complete a passanger locator form and quarantine for 5 days after which I can be tested for free?
That is if I go via Dublin?
And if I go via Belfast i don't have to do any of the above?

Belfast bus down sorted.

Panthro

Panthro wrote: »

I'm in the UK. I want to go home early
August for the bank hol weekend.
I've had one jab. Not due the second until mid August.
Am I correct in saying I'll need a PCR test to get into Ireland. And complete a passanger locator form and quarantine for 5 days after which I can be tested for free?
That is if I go via Dublin?
And if I go via Belfast i don't have to do any of the above?

They won't be any quarantine but yes, at the moment a pcr will still be required until the cta is reopened our side

Fyi, that rule still applies going via belfast albeit unlikely to be enforced

Ms.Sunshine

We ended up booking flights from knock to the uk and when booking seats half the plane had reserved seats , I’m praying they won’t cancel the flight.... how soon before you fly have Ryan air been known to cancel? I’m hoping because it’s the UK they won’t .
So flying there we require no pcr tests but coming back we do ? Does that mean get tested 72hrs before flying home or is that get tested once 5 days have passed when we’re back in ireland ? I know somebody who flew and didn’t have any covid test done before coming home to ireland

Tazz T

https://www.independent.ie/news/travel-to-europe-this-summereu-agrees-detail-ontravel-cert-40527165.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding&fbclid=IwAR3frIpWYKE1AinqnNWX-xlb6Q_vyCI1tFcWKU5gSQSGmCSxXjMZ6g75b2c

Very interesting modification to the cert just announced. It would appear that, like last year, non-vaxxed traveller from green zones now require no tests or restrictions. Countries can require a test if from an amber zone.

Just can't see Ireland abiding by the new green list amendment for the non-vaxxed. A lot of Europe will be green by 19th July.

Also from todays Indo, by Eilish o'Regan on subsidised tests

THE cost of Covid-19 tests for people from Ireland holidaying abroad from the middle of next month is likely to be subsidised through a share of a €100m EU fund to make travel more affordable, it emerged yesterday.

Minister of State Ossian Smyth, who is overseeing the EU Digital Covid Certificate, said he was delighted to see this EU-wide fund had been set up and he will be pursuing our allocation.

He said people who are not vaccinated or who have not had a positive Covid-19 test in the previous nine months will need a PCR test.

"Our tests are expensive, particularly if you are bringing a family with children who will not be vaccinated because of their age. If each test costs €100 you are in a difficult situation, so it is a real problem,” he said.

"The policy at the moment is that the State is not going to pay for PCR tests for travel. This announcement of €100m is to subsidise costs. We will be engaging to see what we are entitled to.”

He was speaking at an event organised by the European Commission Representation in Ireland, the European Parliament Liaison Office in Ireland and EM Ireland yesterday.

It was part of a panel discussion on Ireland and the EU Digital Covid Certificate which aims to facilitate the safe free movement of citizens within the EU during the Covid-19 pandemic, with effect from summer 2021.

It is due to come into effect here from July 19.

The cert will allow people who received a Covid-19 vaccine or who have had a confirmed case of the virus in the previous nine months to travel. Others will need a PCR test.

Some countries, such as France, provide tests for free.

Mr Smyth said around 2.5 million people are currently eligible for an EU digital certificate, allowing them to travel abroad next month, either because they have been vaccinated or had a confirmed case of the virus.

The HSE can issue around one million certs to those who went through the vaccination portal. "We have another 1.3 million based on data from GPs. A quarter of a million people recovered from Covid in the last nine months. That is another quarter of a million we could issue right away,” he said.

Mr Smyth said arrangements are being made with laboratories which will be accredited to carry out PCR tests. People will be contacted by email and invited to apply for the cert.

The free certificate will be a scannable QR code that travellers can show on a piece of paper or on their phones.

"The EU Digital Covid Certificate is an important capability in facilitating the safe reopening of travel across Europe,” he added.

"Ireland has been actively participating in the design and testing phases and we look forward to offering support for the Covid certificate from July 19.”

Sophia in't Veld, Dutch MEP, Renew and shadow rapporteur for the report on the cert said: "The freedom to travel throughout Europe is cherished by many Europeans as one of the most precious intangible gains of European integration. The European Parliament kept this in mind at all times as it worked towards the adoption of the European Digital Covid Certificate. I take great pride in that fact. Europeans can now carry a common European certificate to prove that they are vaccinated or tested.”

ShineOn7

Travel is on the cusp of a massive surge

Why would they do this?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/aer-lingus-cancels-summer-flights-to-several-european-destinations-1.4590831

Aer Lingus cancels summer flights to several European destinations

Airline blames lack of demand and says those who have booked will be offered refunds

Lack of demand now, sure. But in 6 - 8 weeks it'll be much different

Del Griffith

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Travel is on the cusp of a massive surge

Why would they do this?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/aer-lingus-cancels-summer-flights-to-several-european-destinations-1.4590831


Lack of demand now, sure. But in 6 - 8 weeks it'll be much different

Outgoing demand yes probably, incoming demand though.. I can't imagine Ireland is on too many people's holiday lists.

TefalBrain

I feel awful for the airline industry and indeed the tourism sector as a whole. Our ridiculously slow approach to opening up is killing them.