Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

M_Murphy57

yoshimitsu wrote: »

that's because you're assuming that somebody on a flight direct to ireland brought it in... it could (probably is) one of the following:


- came through N. Ireland


- came with one of the 100-200 lorries drivers that come in daily and are neither subject to testing nor quarantine requirement of any kind

Came in with a TD who exempted themselves. Or an elite sports person.

Red Silurian

fm wrote: »

MHQ didn't stop it either, surprise surprise

So two things about that statement

Firstly

MHQ for India wasn't introduced until April 30th, 11 days after the first announcement of the variant was found here meaning Indians could come in here with only having to observe "home quarantine"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/india-added-to-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-amid-rise-in-coronavirus-variant-cases-1.4552275

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1384192696198189058?lang=en

Secondly

You need a negative PCR test prior to your flight even if entering MHQ on arrival, it's not an either/or situation

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Came in with a TD who exempted themselves. Or an elite sports person.

Which ones?

Doctor Jimbob

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Any chance we could keep the variant stuff to the control of airports thread and keep this one for travel?

Valhallapt

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Shows how idiotic MHQ is. Totally unnecessary hardship on families. Unjustifiable.

Valhallapt

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Any chance we could keep the variant stuff to the control of airports thread and keep this one for travel?

Agreed.
There should be a dedicated scariants thread, perhaps under conspiracy theories? This threat should be for people who are happy to travel in the short and medium term.

Pcr is a blunt instrument
If everyone isolated for 2 weeks on entry since we first heard of wuhan we would have no covid
Thats not possible here
We aren't new Zealand or Australia
Mhq and pcrs are catching a lot
Those that break through aren't an argument for making it worse
2 more months and the virus will have a bigger stronger enemy
Herd immunity

normanoffside

IQO wrote: »

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2021/06/02/kabinet-spant-zich-in-voor-vergoeding-van-coronatest-voor-reizigers-naar-het-buitenland-in-juli-en-augustus

Interesting, the Dutch government is exploring options to cover the PCR testing costs for outgoing travelers from The Netherlands in July/August, mainly for the people who aren't vaccinated by then. The scheme could cost up to 350 million euro.

Such a different mindset compared to the Irish government.

If all EU passport holders are able to use this service when flying from The Netherlands, this could create a cost-free travel bridge between Ireland and The Netherlands. No tests are now necessary when traveling from Ireland to The Netherlands, while then on the way back your PCR test costs would be covered by the Dutch government.

France are offering free PCR tests to visiting tourists.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-provides-free-covid-19-pcr-tests-for-new-arrivals/

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210517/france-to-offer-free-pcr-tests-to-tourists-and-visitors-this-summer/

josip

Red Silurian wrote: »

Fair enough, acceptance of death isn't really my style but each to their own

It is, but you're unaware of it.
Every time you drive your car, leave the house, cross the road you're accepting the chances that you'll die.
Even going to sleep in a normal bed is accepting the risk that you'll fall out and kill yourself.

fm

fm wrote: »

MHQ didn't stop it either, surprise surprise

Ahhhh.....you took the bait!!

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

France are offering free PCR tests to visiting tourists.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-provides-free-covid-19-pcr-tests-for-new-arrivals/

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210517/france-to-offer-free-pcr-tests-to-tourists-and-visitors-this-summer/

travelling there later in the summer, I will be vaccinated but still a great saving for the wife and kids.

Today is a good news day

Wallander

Valhallapt wrote: »

Agreed.
There should be a dedicated scariants thread, perhaps under conspiracy theories? This threat should be for people who are happy to travel in the short and medium term.

I respectfully disagree. We can be confident enough in our views to allow questioning from dissenting voices.

As for the varient - I feel some spread here was inevitable given our interconnected world but confident we have the tools (vaccines) to manage it.

yoshimitsu

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Any chance we could keep the variant stuff to the control of airports thread and keep this one for travel?

the other thread has gone dead since the announcement of the July 19th reopening of travel.



Sirloin needs sparring partners to debate the efficacy of the MHQ :pac:

brickster69

Sounds like Portugal will be going on the UK amber list tonight. Quite a few others going from Amber to Red also. Could well be quite a few flights getting cancelled from Belfast you would think.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines-travel-stocks-slump-as-portugal-could-face-axe-from-uk-green-list-coronavirus-095737978.html

Dr. Em

brickster69 wrote: »

Sounds like Portugal will be going on the UK amber list tonight. Quite a few others going from Amber to Red also. Could well be quite a few flights getting cancelled from Belfast you would think.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines-travel-stocks-slump-as-portugal-could-face-axe-from-uk-green-list-coronavirus-095737978.html

Travel chaos, hello again.

faceman

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

If I was told I was going to get covid and given a choice of variant, I’d chose the Indian variant, or Delta variant as it’s now called

Why?

Because provisional research shows that the fatality rate based on data from the U.K. is 0.2% compared to 2% of other strains of covid.

Also the vaccines work against it just like every other strain.

brickster69

Portugal gone Amber. Balearics, Canaries and Greek Islands stay on amber also which were hoped to go on green

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/portugal-removed-from-green-list-dashing-hopes-for-millions-of-holidaymakers-14707593/?ito=push-notification&ci=211957&si=22786189&ai=14707593

freida

Can you still bring hand luggage on planes ex Belfast or Dublin. I remember at the start of this all luggage had to be checked in

Red Silurian

brickster69 wrote: »

Portugal gone Amber. Balearics, Canaries and Greek Islands stay on amber also which were hoped to go on green

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/portugal-removed-from-green-list-dashing-hopes-for-millions-of-holidaymakers-14707593/?ito=push-notification&ci=211957&si=22786189&ai=14707593

Amber means go off on holiday there and isolate at home on your return... Might as well be green for all intents and purposes

Also there's a loophole that if you fly into the North and can prove you are travelling into the Republic there's no hotel quarantine in the north

Valhallapt

Red Silurian wrote: »

Amber means go off on holiday there and isolate at home on your return... Might as well be green for all intents and purposes

Also there's a loophole that if you fly into the North and can prove you are travelling into the Republic there's no hotel quarantine in the north

If you can prove you are travelling south, can you bypass the need for 2 PCR tests pre ordered? Orange lists you need to buy a set of PCR tests before you board the plane on your return

M_Murphy57

Wallander wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. We can be confident enough in our views to allow questioning from dissenting voices.

As for the varient - I feel some spread here was inevitable given our interconnected world but confident we have the tools (vaccines) to manage it.

It's not questioning though. It's the same 3 or 4 posters banging the same drum over and over and over again about the same thing. Every. ****ing. Day.

They dont succeed - ever- in changing anyones mind but they constantly derail a really valuable thread for people interested in travel.

Hence it's better for everyone if they post their daily rants about the evils of travel over in the "control the airports" thread (or we all use the ignore button and stop quoting them!)

Red Silurian

josip wrote: »

It is, but you're unaware of it.
Every time you drive your car, leave the house, cross the road you're accepting the chances that you'll die.
Even going to sleep in a normal bed is accepting the risk that you'll fall out and kill yourself.

For myself, true, I'm unlikely to kill 5000 people, put 5m people under a 6 month lockdown and crush an economy by doing any of those things though

M_Murphy57

Dr. Em wrote: »

Travel chaos, hello again.

Have the uk plans to ditch this stupid traffic light system and just introduce the equivalent of the EU passport?

They are making their own vaccinated population isolate? What's the point of them getting so far ahead of everyone with jabs if they still have to live with this kind of stupid pen stroke decision and chaos?

Red Silurian

Valhallapt wrote: »

If you can prove you are travelling south, can you bypass the need for 2 PCR tests pre ordered? Orange lists you need to buy a set of PCR tests before you board the plane on your return

The 2 PCRs are part of the MHQ system in the UK so if you bypass one you bypass the other

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Have the uk plans to ditch this stupid traffic light system and just introduce the equivalent of the EU passport?

They are making their own vaccinated population isolate? What's the point of them getting so far ahead of everyone with jabs if they still have to live with this kind of stupid pen stroke decision and chaos?

It's all to do with a very dirty word on this forum.... Politics

Wallander

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

RunningFlyer

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

More worryingly Ireland has gone grey (No data) which to my knowledge means it is treated as a Red list country?!

pc7

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

Why have UK made Portugal, azores, canaries etc amber if they are green now on ours? I'm lost?

Red Silurian

RunningFlyer wrote: »

More worryingly Ireland has gone grey (No data) which to my knowledge means it is treated as a Red list country?!

Lack of data due to the HSE hack?

josip

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

Only Norway has regressed in the past 7 days.
All other countries have either remained stable or improved.

josip

Red Silurian wrote: »

Lack of data due to the HSE hack?

Yes,

*Data for Sweden and Ireland are not available for week 21, 2021 due to a disruption to the national databases.

General Toilet

Valhallapt wrote: »

If you can prove you are travelling south, can you bypass the need for 2 PCR tests pre ordered? Orange lists you need to buy a set of PCR tests before you board the plane on your return

Simply complete the UK passenger form stating you are transiting, that avoids the 2 tests and MHQ.