Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

josip

josip wrote: »

Doesn't that only come into effect when Ireland implements the DCC, ie 19th of July?
Before then, we're relying on the HSE Cert if traveling based on vaccination and in that case it's 2 weeks as far as I know, although this may be specific to UK/US citizens or people coming from those countries.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20210604/how-can-travellers-to-france-from-non-eu-countries-prove-they-are-vaccinated/
May differ from country to country what they accept.

The one week is how long it takes for the 2nd pfizer protection to ramp up to 96%(hospitalisation)
The DCC will only be issued either in its case 1 week after 2nd pfizer
2 after 2nd moderna and 2 after 2nd Astrazenica and also 2 weeks after the Johnson one shot

rajqo

Hi guys, I'm currently waiting to get vaccinated by 2nd dose of Pfizer in other EU country, which will issue EU digital covid certificate upon request. My question is... from 19th of july when I will come back to Ireland, is that all I need? Is there some requirement for entry into Ireland, which says that it must be certain amount of days since second dose administered? I do not want to pay for PCR test anymore nor want to have my nostrils explored again after 19.7 ;-)

Is it 100% that Ireland will be obliged to accept incoming passengers who have this digital green cert from 19.7? thanks

rajqo

rajqo wrote: »

Hi guys, I'm currently waiting to get vaccinated by 2nd dose of Pfizer in other EU country, which will issue EU digital covid certificate upon request. My question is... from 19th of july when I will come back to Ireland, is that all I need? Is there some requirement for entry into Ireland, which says that it must be certain amount of days since second dose administered? I do not want to pay for PCR test anymore nor want to have my nostrils explored again after 19.7 ;-)

Is it 100% that Ireland will be obliged to accept incoming passengers who have this digital green cert from 19.7? thanks

If you have a DCC from another EU country you can as I understand it come into Ireland without a pcr on July 19th

fm

Marine Layer wrote: »

If you have a DCC from another EU country you can as I understand it come into Ireland without a pcr on July 19th

According to the reopen eu site you can't

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/from-to/FRA/IRL

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/7894b-post-cabinet-statement-resilience-and-recovery-the-path-ahead/#international-travel

rajqo

fm wrote: »

According to the reopen eu site you can't

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/from-to/FRA/IRL

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/7894b-post-cabinet-statement-resilience-and-recovery-the-path-ahead/#international-travel

doesn't say anywhere you can't.

it only says that unless EU will not apply a 'brake' for some EU country with concern of rapid spreading variants, you don't need any test or quarantine if you're fully vaccinated

my question is if Ireland is actually obliged to accept passengers coming into Ireland from 19.7 to come freely and without any test or quarantine, who are fully vaccinated and have a digital covid certificate with that QR code

fm

fm wrote: »

According to the reopen eu site you can't

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/from-to/FRA/IRL

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/7894b-post-cabinet-statement-resilience-and-recovery-the-path-ahead/#international-travel

You DO NOT need a pcr test to enter Ireland if you have a DCC issued by an EU country stating you are fully vaccinated after midnight July 18th

fm

rajqo wrote: »

doesn't say anywhere you can't.

it only says that unless EU will not apply a 'brake' for some EU country with concern of rapid spreading variants, you don't need any test or quarantine if you're fully vaccinated

my question is if Ireland is actually obliged to accept passengers coming into Ireland from 19.7 to come freely and without any test or quarantine, who are fully vaccinated and have a digital covid certificate with that QR code

Fully vaccinated is fine, no test or quarantine, but if you have a dcc from another country by getting an antigen test you also need a pcr

Wallander

josip wrote: »

Latest ECDC map is out

It seems to have been updated again today with the new criteria for green regions, and it is VERY GREEN!



Germany, much of Italy, Balearics all green:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement


As far as I remember there are EU recommendations to drop testing requirements for travel from green zones around the same time as the cert comes in - another interesting element to throw into the mix.

fm

fm wrote: »

Fully vaccinated is fine, no test or quarantine, but if you have a dcc from another country by getting an antigen test you also need a pcr

No, Ireland will have the same system as everyone else. Antigen is included

fm

Wallander wrote: »

It seems to have been updated again today with the new criteria for green regions, and it is VERY GREEN!



Germany, much of Italy, Balearics all green:
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement


As far as I remember there are EU recommendations to drop testing requirements for travel from green zones around the same time as the cert comes in - another interesting element to throw into the mix.

It seems that to be green now it's less than 50 cases per 100k

fm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, Ireland will have the same system as everyone else. Antigen is included

Taken from the gov link



From 19 July, subject to the prevailing public health situation, Ireland will operate the EU Digital COVID Certificate (DCC) for travel originating within the EU/EEA.

A DCC will show if a passenger:

is vaccinated against COVID-19;
has recovered from COVID-19; or
has a negative test result

Passengers arriving into Ireland with a DCC will not have to undergo quarantine.

However, passengers with a DCC based on a non-PCR test (for example, antigen), or those arriving without a DCC, will require proof of a negative RT-PCR test taken no more than 72 hours before arrival

CruelSummer

Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse from NPHET…
They’re absolute disgraceful assertion that the ‘young people’ shouldn’t travel abroad - only those whom they’ve thrown their lives away for and are now fully vaccinated should. Vaccine apartheid at its finest.
Not to mention PCR testing, EU digital cert rules doesn’t discriminate. How can they sit there knowing they’re running into vaccine shortages and state something so discriminatory?

RunningFlyer

and so the onslaught begins…pressure for 30s and under not to be travelling abroad or socialising for fear of delta variant…!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/people-in-their-30s-to-wait-up-to-a-monthforvaccine-appointment-after-registration-40553012.html

M_Murphy57

RunningFlyer wrote: »

and so the onslaught begins…pressure for 30s and under not to be travelling abroad or socialising for fear of delta variant…!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/people-in-their-30s-to-wait-up-to-a-monthforvaccine-appointment-after-registration-40553012.html

This spin across multiple papers today that tony might "allow" holidays in late summer is nothing short of a disgrace. Rte and the mirror running similar bare faced lies.

Travel for all eu citizens is "allowed" from 01/07 (or 19/07 if you are us losers), vaccinated or not.

It's actually incredible how infantalised we are, waiting for grown ups to "let" us do something that EU law mandates as legal.

Thank god for the EU is all I can say. It's very clear that even with no one in hospital, left to our own devices wed all have been forced to stay at home this summer.

At this point permanent emigration seems an attractive choice.

revelman

I’m seeing various references on this thread to being fully vaccinated after just 7 days for Pfizer. Yes, the Irish authorities say this but the EU Council Recommendation is that the Green Cert should issue at least 14 days after the second Pfizer vaccination. They want a standard approach across EU.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX:52021DC0294

Para 24:

To simplify travel within the Union, a common understanding of the conditions under which vaccinated persons should be exempted from travel restrictions should be established. Vaccinated persons should be exempted from restrictions once at least 14 days have passed since full vaccination. Persons who have received the second dose in a 2-dose COVID-19 vaccine series and persons who have received a single dose vaccine should be considered as fully vaccinated.

See also Article 9.

The EU definition of “fully vaccinated” is the point at which you get the second dose for Pfizer or Moderna or the first dose for J&J. Then you need to wait 14 days before you can get green cert.

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse from NPHET…
They’re absolute disgraceful assertion that the ‘young people’ shouldn’t travel abroad - only those whom they’ve thrown their lives away for and are now fully vaccinated should. Vaccine apartheid at its finest.
Not to mention PCR testing, EU digital cert rules doesn’t discriminate. How can they sit there knowing they’re running into vaccine shortages and state something so discriminatory?

Its only medical advice
It won't be law
All they're saying is,please Don't
You can if you want to but will need a pcr on return and won't need to quarantine
Calm down

Klonker

Marine Layer wrote: »

Its only medical advice
It won't be law
All they're saying is,please Don't
You can if you want to but will need a pcr on return and won't need to quarantine
Calm down

You don't know it won't be law. The below from NPHET makes it sound like they'll put pressure on the government to put more barriers around unvaccinated people travelling. I personally wouldn't be surprised for quarentine rules to stay in place for unvaccinated travellers after 19th July.

Below is from RTE from todays briefing:
' Asked about the EU Covid certificate for travel, and whether the NPHET advice was contradictory to the advice of the Digital Green Cert, Dr Ronan Glynn said some of that is being looked at as we speak.

In relation to the issue of the requirement for testing or otherwise as an alternative for people who are not vaccinated or not immune from previous infection, he said part of that was going to depend on the epidemiological situation in the country from where people are coming and that will differ across Europe. It differs right now, he said, and they would need to look close to the date of exactly what they are seeing.

He said the issue of an emergency break has to remain as an option.'

TefalBrain

TefalBrain wrote: »

Brother in law and 2 friends should be landing in Spain in the next while on a golfing trip. They encountered no Gardai or questions of any type on arrival at airport at 7:30 this morning and boarded the flight with no issues. Will text later and find out how things are on Spanish side.

Just updating on this. No hassle on Spanish side at Salou airport. They had filled in some forms pre departure apparently for the Spanish authorities and they had some sort of QR code on their phones?? Said plane was more or less full from Dublin and the hotel they are staying arrange a PCR test for you at the hotel the day before you fly out again as part of the package (golfing resort).

A lot of tourists about mainly Dutch and German and brisk business at the bars and restaurants.

SusanC10

What did Dr. Tony say at the NPHET press briefing yesterday about families with children travelling?

Below is what RTE have reported but not sure that is accurate with the double negative in the first sentence?

"Asked at today's NPHET briefing about families going on summer holidays in situations where the parents have been vaccinated and their children have not, Dr. Holohan said that he would not be advising for such families not to travel.

This is because, at the moment, children are not being vaccinated in Ireland. "

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0617/1228735-covid-ireland/

Skippette

SusanC10 wrote: »

What did Dr. Tony say at the NPHET press briefing yesterday about families with children travelling?

Below is what RTE have reported but not sure that is accurate with the double negative in the first sentence?

"Asked at today's NPHET briefing about families going on summer holidays in situations where the parents have been vaccinated and their children have not, Dr. Holohan said that he would not be advising for such families not to travel.

This is because, at the moment, children are not being vaccinated in Ireland. "

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0617/1228735-covid-ireland/

I listened to the briefing - sad I know - but it's better to hear from the horses mouth rather than a journalist interpretation.

His answer was full of double negatives but what I understood (yes, my interpretation, lol) was that he advised those not vaccinated not to travel as in, those who are eligible for the vaccine, so 18+

When asked specifically about families, as kids were not going to be vaccinated but the parents might be, he said he would not, not recommend travelling as we are not vaccinating kids here.

So long story short - if you're eligible for a vaccine get it - its working. He doesn't recommend going on holidays if eligible for a vaccine, you choose/can't have it yet and you are unvaccinated.

Kids are not being vaccinated - NIAC is looking into it, but for now the above advise does not apply to them.

Think my answer possibly confused, more than helped!

Santan

TefalBrain wrote: »

Just updating on this. No hassle on Spanish side at Salou airport. They had filled in some forms pre departure apparently for the Spanish authorities and they had some sort of QR code on their phones?? Said plane was more or less full from Dublin and the hotel they are staying arrange a PCR test for you at the hotel the day before you fly out again as part of the package (golfing resort).

A lot of tourists about mainly Dutch and German and brisk business at the bars and restaurants.

You wouldn't happen to know the hotel name by any chance have friends looking to go on a golf trip, that sounds good

SusanC10

Skippette wrote: »

I listened to the briefing - sad I know - but it's better to hear from the horses mouth rather than a journalist interpretation.

His answer was full of double negatives but what I understood (yes, my interpretation, lol) was that he advised those not vaccinated not to travel as in, those who are eligible for the vaccine, so 18+

When asked specifically about families, as kids were not going to be vaccinated but the parents might be, he said he would not, not recommend travelling as we are not vaccinating kids here.

So long story short - if you're eligible for a vaccine get it - its working. He doesn't recommend going on holidays if eligible for a vaccine, you choose/can't have it yet and you are unvaccinated.

Kids are not being vaccinated - NIAC is looking into it, but for now the above advise does not apply to them.

Think my answer possibly confused, more than helped!

Thanks Skippette. I actually found the video there now and looked at it too.
I found Dr. Holohan particularly obtuse in his answers in relation to families travelling.
Paul Cunningham (journalist) should have just given him a hypothetical scenario though - 2 Adults fully vaccinated, 2 children under 16 not vaccinated - what is the advice for foreign travel post-July 19th ?

But I agree with your interpretation above.

As an aside, I am wondering what NIAC will decide for under 16s in terms of vaccination ?

Doctor Jimbob

RunningFlyer wrote: »

and so the onslaught begins…pressure for 30s and under not to be travelling abroad or socialising for fear of delta variant…!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/people-in-their-30s-to-wait-up-to-a-monthforvaccine-appointment-after-registration-40553012.html

It's a shame we don't have tests for COVID. That would help reduce the risk of people spreading the disease. Hopefully a test is developed soon. Once it is, some kind of system could be put in place where if you can provide a negative test or proof of vaccination, you're free to travel. We could call it a "travel cert", or something like that.

CruelSummer

Marine Layer wrote: »

Its only medical advice
It won't be law
All they're saying is,please Don't
You can if you want to but will need a pcr on return and won't need to quarantine
Calm down

It is not only medical advice. This government has hidden behind NPHET for every single decision they’ve taken. Thus giving them greater prominence than they should have.
Hope Ireland is taken to court by EU & these proposals flung out. As for our airports, aviation & economy - don’t even get me started.

stephenjmcd

CruelSummer wrote: »

It is not only medical advice. This government has hidden behind NPHET for every single decision they’ve taken. Thus giving them greater prominence than they should have.
Hope Ireland is taken to court by EU & these proposals flung out. As for our airports, aviation & economy - don’t even get me started.

Think about this logically now, you can't take someone to court for something that isn't law. If the CMO says he wouldn't advise non vaccinated people to travel he's entitled to say it, it's his advice, does it matter if he says it ? Not really no as the digital cert is at EU level and travel within the EU runs off it & government have already outlined the process for vaccinated and non vaccinated people in line with EU digital cert legislation.

facehugger99

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

This spin across multiple papers today that tony might "allow" holidays in late summer is nothing short of a disgrace. Rte and the mirror running similar bare faced lies.

Travel for all eu citizens is "allowed" from 01/07 (or 19/07 if you are us losers), vaccinated or not.

It's actually incredible how infantalised we are, waiting for grown ups to "let" us do something that EU law mandates as legal.

Thank god for the EU is all I can say. It's very clear that even with no one in hospital, left to our own devices wed all have been forced to stay at home this summer.

At this point permanent emigration seems an attractive choice.

It's a joke.

The finger-wagging from last summer is back and the mad thing is that it seems to work on a lot of people.

Don't go abroad on holidays
Tell your employer if you've been abroad on your holidays
Tell you children's school that you've been abroad on you holidays

Just like last summer I'll be ignoring the above and jetting off for a few weeks sun in August - but I suspect I'm in the minority.

Wallander

Skippette wrote: »

I listened to the briefing - sad I know - but it's better to hear from the horses mouth rather than a journalist interpretation.

His answer was full of double negatives but what I understood (yes, my interpretation, lol) was that he advised those not vaccinated not to travel as in, those who are eligible for the vaccine, so 18+

When asked specifically about families, as kids were not going to be vaccinated but the parents might be, he said he would not, not recommend travelling as we are not vaccinating kids here.

It's a farcical to suggest travel is dangerous unless you have a vaccine. Vaccines make it safer of course, but Ireland has one of the highest infection rates in the EU. The ranty old man says we musn't take unvaccinated kids to enjoy an outdoor summer in one of the many regions with vastly fewer infections than Ireland, but we must send them into classrooms in Ireland when we already have the Delta variant here.

Tazz T

I've been tracking the graphs since last summer and I'm now a bit concerned that we're about to have a blip that could throw the 19th July into jeopardy (I'm personally flying out on 24th).

I'm pretty sure that the UK rise in cases is down to reopening and we're seeing a similar rise in the North now (going to look at Donegal figures next). Our 5th July opening could see cases rising sharply in and around the 19th and cause the gov to throw is some form of emergency stop on international travel.

The cases in the UK are all delta in mostly in the 5-24 age group where the virus is manifesting basically as a cold, but a rise in cases well above 500 here on a daily basis in this age group, even without a significant in hospitalisations could see NYPHET throw a spanner in the works. Just thinking aloud...

Tenzor07

Santan wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to know the hotel name by any chance have friends looking to go on a golf trip, that sounds good

I think you'll find that most hotels can arrange PCR samples to be taken at your room, or they can recommend a company who'll come around and take your sample and email you the results later that night, couldn't be easier really and usually around €30 cheaper than Ireland...

People can contact their hotels over Booking.com and ask if it's not up on the booking page..

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

It is not only medical advice. This government has hidden behind NPHET for every single decision they’ve taken. Thus giving them greater prominence than they should have.
Hope Ireland is taken to court by EU & these proposals flung out. As for our airports, aviation & economy - don’t even get me started.

Sorry you are wrong
The DCC will be EU law adopted by Ireland on July 19th
Unvaccinated can fly with an antigen or pcr but the Cmo advises not to
No penalty
No guards
No questions
You can fly back home with a pcr test