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Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

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    #1622
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    hamburgham wrote: »
    Hasn’t it always been a big deal to get the Gardai to agree to a shift pattern which was weighted towards when they were actually needed, ie not so many needed early morning mid week as on a Friday night.
    If they agreed to this changed shift pattern without a murmur ( as most of us knew nothing about it), it must have been very favourable for them. As I read it, they were working fewer days.

    They agreed to a shift change because that's what the country needed and it wasn't the time at the beginning of covid to start playing up.
    Like all front line staff really.
    They used to work 10 hour shifts, they now work 12 hour shifts. Less crossover of units you see. There used to be 5 units, now there are 4.


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    #1623
    hamburgham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    bubblypop wrote: »
    They agreed to a shift change because that's what the country needed and it wasn't the time at the beginning of covid to start playing up.
    Like all front line staff really.
    They used to work 10 hour shifts, they now work 12 hour shifts. Less crossover of units you see. There used to be 5 units, now there are 4.

    Ok, gone from working 5 days to 4 days with 2 hours less overall. I honestly wonder how productive people are working 12 hour shifts. Anyway, is it going to change back soon? And it’s now 4 days on with how many off?
    The Gardai sure as well wouldn’t have agreed to it if it didn’t suit them.


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    #1624
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    hamburgham wrote: »
    Ok, gone from working 5 days to 4 days with 2 hours less overall. I honestly wonder how productive people are working 12 hour shifts. Anyway, is it going to change back soon? And it’s now 4 days on with how many off?
    The Gardai sure as well wouldn’t have agreed to it if it didn’t suit them.

    Are you sure?
    So, from working 6 days on, 4 days off, over night to change their shifts, completely, to 12 hour days, working 4 days/nights on, 4 days off.
    Change childcare, what about Gardai married or parents with other Gardai? Or healthcare workers?
    Just because they didn't moan about it doesn't mean it suited them. Kids were off school, creches not opened and now parents shifts completely different.
    And where are you getting the two hours less from?
    This has been in place since Feb/March 2020.

    It appears you just have a problem with Gardai.


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    #1625
    TefalBrain
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    Klonker wrote: »
    So we have one minster saying we are going to draw down our share of EU covid testing fund a week ago and another today saying we won't be subsidising tests.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/going-abroad-again-may-not-be-quite-as-expensive-as-we-feared-as-state-to-apply-to-100m-eu-fund-for-pcr-tests-40526061.html

    I don't know if they are sending mixed messages on purpose or are just that incompetant.

    It's definitely on purpose. I'm not saying they are competent either btw but they want to make it as stressful, expensive and complicated for anyone thinking of travelling as possible. They are being lead kicking and screaming into the Covid passport by the European Union imo.


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    #1626
    Happydays2020
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    Any idea why no data from Ireland.

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

    We are getting daily data on positives. Is it number of tests and positivity rate which are the issue?


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    #1627
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Any idea why no data from Ireland.

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

    We are getting daily data on positives. Is it number of tests and positivity rate which are the issue?

    The HSE system is closed to the Internet
    So not only are the data sets not being formated,they're not being sent


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    #1628
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    TefalBrain wrote: »
    It's definitely on purpose. I'm not saying they are competent either btw but they want to make it as stressful, expensive and complicated for anyone thinking of travelling as possible. They are being lead kicking and screaming into the Covid passport by the European Union imo.

    Its deliberate yes
    The government don't want to encourage travel
    Their priority is to keep it awkward whilst vaccinated numbers continue to rise
    Its a no pain no gain strategy


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    #1629
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    The HSE system is closed to the Internet
    So not only are the data sets not being formated,they're not being sent

    But it can be an email sent to an EU body with the data once a week. Is it that difficult? If they don’t have verifiable data then that is a different matter.


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    #1630
    jellies
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    Some rumours on Twitter that Ossian Smyth has stated that lab accredited tests only (i.e. PCR) will be acceptable to get a Digital Covid Cert for travel.

    So even if the destination country accepts a point of care antigen test Ireland will not issue the DCC without lab accredited PCR.

    Simply incredible if this is true. But perhaps explains why Coveney said yesterday that PCR would be required for exit as well as entry.


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    #1631
    normanoffside
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    jellies wrote: »
    Some rumours on Twitter that Ossian Smyth has stated that lab accredited tests only (i.e. PCR) will be acceptable to get a Digital Covid Cert for travel.

    Any tests used for travel in the EU have to be lab accredited. That includes antigen tests.
    You can't just do a self administered test as there'd be no way to validate the result.


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    #1632
    fm
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    jellies wrote: »
    Some rumours on Twitter that Ossian Smyth has stated that lab accredited tests only (i.e. PCR) will be acceptable to get a Digital Covid Cert for travel.

    So even if the destination country accepts a point of care antigen test Ireland will not issue the DCC without lab accredited PCR.

    Simply incredible if this is true. But perhaps explains why Coveney said yesterday that PCR would be required for exit as well as entry.

    If true it shouldn't make a difference anyway as you don't need a dcc to travel - you just need a test to enter whatever country you are travelling to,so if a country accepts antigen just get that test.


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    #1633
    Klonker
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    jellies wrote: »
    Some rumours on Twitter that Ossian Smyth has stated that lab accredited tests only (i.e. PCR) will be acceptable to get a Digital Covid Cert for travel.

    So even if the destination country accepts a point of care antigen test Ireland will not issue the DCC without lab accredited PCR.

    Simply incredible if this is true. But perhaps explains why Coveney said yesterday that PCR would be required for exit as well as entry.

    At what stage are they going to clear all this things up for us. We're 4 weeks away and we haven't a clue how it's going to work here and what requirements are involved yet Michael Martin tells is we are on track!


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    #1634
    stephenjmcd
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    jellies wrote: »
    Some rumours on Twitter that Ossian Smyth has stated that lab accredited tests only (i.e. PCR) will be acceptable to get a Digital Covid Cert for travel.

    So even if the destination country accepts a point of care antigen test Ireland will not issue the DCC without lab accredited PCR.

    Simply incredible if this is true. But perhaps explains why Coveney said yesterday that PCR would be required for exit as well as entry.

    As others have said all tests have to be lab accredited either PCR or antigen.

    Which one just depends on where you plan on going to

    I think some people be it twitter or wherever just don't understand what lab accredited means


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    #1635
    jellies
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Any tests used for travel in the EU have to be lab accredited. That includes antigen tests.
    You can't just do a self administered test as there'd be no way to validate the result.

    Not correct. They have to be supervised which means that you can get them done at point of care with results in real time. That is one of the benefits of antigen - faster and cheaper.

    Lab accredited means the sample gets sent to an accredited lab with associated delays and cost.

    We are not talking about self administered tests.


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    #1636
    stephenjmcd
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    jellies wrote: »
    Not correct. They have to be supervised which means that you can get them done at point of care with results in real time. That is one of the benefits of antigen - faster and cheaper.

    Lab accredited means the sample gets sent to an accredited lab with associated delays and cost.

    We are not talking about self administered tests.

    A lab accredited Antigen test is exactly that carried out by someone who knows what they are doing and is accredited to carry out said test & process results. It counts as lab accredited for green cert. Self administered is not accredited

    An accredited PCR is carried out by someone again who is competent and the same is sent to lab.


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    #1637
    jellies
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    As others have said all tests have to be lab accredited either PCR or antigen.

    Which one just depends on where you plan on going to

    I think some people be it twitter or wherever just don't understand what lab accredited means

    Lab accredited = sample sent to an accredited lab.
    Point of Care = supervised sample taken and tested outside an accredited lab.

    No?


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    #1638
    stephenjmcd
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    jellies wrote: »
    Lab accredited = sample sent to an accredited lab.
    Point of Care = supervised sample taken and tested outside an accredited lab.

    No?

    No as explained above


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    #1639
    jellies
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    A lab accredited Antigen test is exactly that carried out by someone who knows what they are doing and is accredited to carry out said test & process results. It counts as lab accredited. Self administered is not accredited

    An accredited PCR is carried out by someone again who is competent and the same is sent to lab.

    "The laboratory is accredited to International Standard ISO 17025:2017 "General requirements for the competence of testing and calibration laboratories". This accreditation is awarded by the Irish National Accreditation Board who conducts an annual surveillance visit to the laboratory."

    A lab is accredited. Not the individual performing the test.

    I hope you are right BTW. Just reporting what I read.


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    #1640
    stephenjmcd
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    jellies wrote: »
    "The laboratory is accredited to International Standard ISO 17025:2017 "General requirements for the competence of testing and calibration laboratories". This accreditation is awarded by the Irish National Accreditation Board who conducts an annual surveillance visit to the laboratory."

    A lab is accredited. Not the individual performing the test.

    I hope you are right BTW. Just reporting what I read.

    The result of the antigen test is still uploaded by an accredited lab for the digital green cert. The person carrying out the test is doing so for the lab.

    To be able to upload for the digital cert the lab needs to be accredited as per above.

    Either way it doesn't really matter, if you want to come back into Ireland you'll need to get a PCR, leaving the country depends on where your going if not vaccinated


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    #1641
    jellies
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The result of the antigen test is still uploaded by an accredited lab for the digital green cert. The person carrying out the test is doing so for the lab.

    To be able to upload for the digital cert the lab needs to be accredited as per above.

    Either way it doesn't really matter, if you want to come back into Ireland you'll need to get a PCR, leaving the country depends on where your going if not vaccinated

    https://twitter.com/niamh_power/status/1406541236387917825?s=19

    Here is the link. This is from someone who runs an antigen test centre and says that their tests would not be included on Ireland's DCC. One would assume they know what they are talking about.

    It matters because why should anyone need to do a 72 hour PCR test that is sent to a lab at additional cost and hassle when the destination country accepts a cheaper and faster point of care antigen test.

    Anyway let's see what happens.


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    #1642
    normanoffside
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    jellies wrote: »
    Not correct. They have to be supervised which means that you can get them done at point of care with results in real time. That is one of the benefits of antigen - faster and cheaper.

    Lab accredited means the sample gets sent to an accredited lab with associated delays and cost.

    We are not talking about self administered tests.

    No, you've got this wrong.
    You can get a lab accredited antigen test at the Airport (Roc Doc, Randox, V1 Medical all do them).

    They have their lab and staff where you do the test and you have your results and travel cert in 15-30 minutes.


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    #1643
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    jellies wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/niamh_power/status/1406541236387917825?s=19

    Here is the link. This is from someone who runs an antigen test centre and says that their tests would not be included on Ireland's DCC. One would assume they know what they are talking about.

    It matters because why should anyone need to do a 72 hour PCR test that is sent to a lab at additional cost and hassle when the destination country accepts a cheaper and faster point of care antigen test.

    Anyway let's see what happens.

    But Spain will still allow RAT tests outside of the DCC. DCC is opt in for citizens, just Tony doesn’t want us opting in.


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    #1644
    normanoffside
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    jellies wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/niamh_power/status/1406541236387917825?s=19

    Here is the link. This is from someone who runs an antigen test centre and says that their tests would not be included on Ireland's DCC. One would assume they know what they are talking about.

    It matters because why should anyone need to do a 72 hour PCR test that is sent to a lab at additional cost and hassle when the destination country accepts a cheaper and faster point of care antigen test.

    Anyway let's see what happens.

    Ok thanks for clarifying that.

    I know that Spain, Italy and Germany have accepted antigen test certs from Randox, RocDoc and V1 Medical (Dublin Airport) in the past few weeks.

    So If Ireland get awkward with their DGC you'll still just be able to show your antigen test result at the point of entry to the countries that accept them.


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    #1645
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    jellies wrote: »
    Some rumours on Twitter that Ossian Smyth has stated that lab accredited tests only (i.e. PCR) will be acceptable to get a Digital Covid Cert for travel.

    So even if the destination country accepts a point of care antigen test Ireland will not issue the DCC without lab accredited PCR.

    Simply incredible if this is true. But perhaps explains why Coveney said yesterday that PCR would be required for exit as well as entry.

    That would be impossible
    The DCC must accept antigen because its an EU document issued by a member country that accepts those for to generate it
    Lot of confusion here
    People are mistaking Ireland's pcr for non vaxxed as an entry requirement as meaning you won't get an antigen one to leave


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    #1646
    jellies
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    normanoffside wrote: »
    No, you've got this wrong.
    You can get a lab accredited antigen test at the Airport (Roc Doc, Randox, V1 Medical all do them).

    They have their lab and staff where you do the test and you have your results and travel cert in 15-30 minutes.

    See above. This is from someone who runs one of those services?

    Very happy to be wrong on this one.


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    #1647
    Tazz T
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    Marine Layer wrote: »
    That would be impossible
    The DCC must accept antigen because its an EU document issued by a member country that accepts those for to generate it
    Lot of confusion here
    People are mistaking Ireland's pcr for non vaxxed as an entry requirement as meaning you won't get an antigen one to leave


    This is the problem. Lots of confusion because absolutely no clarity from the government on how it will work. MM saying we're on track to issue the cert, but it's going to be a shambles on the day, as they appear to be doing no real planning for it.


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    #1648
    normanoffside
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    jellies wrote: »
    See above. This is from someone who runs one of those services?

    Very happy to be wrong on this one.

    Yeah, I've seen and replied to that.
    I'd hope it's a case of Ossian not knowing what he's talking about or of Niamh misunderstanding what he has meant by his statement


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    #1649
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    jellies wrote: »
    See above. This is from someone who runs one of those services?

    Very happy to be wrong on this one.

    He may not have accreditation
    But not generating a dcc on an antigen is not a dcc
    That won't happen


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    #1650
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    If you can fly using self tests, whats to stop people taking samples from vaccinated people and claiming their own?

    Im confused by this suggestion


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    #1651
    jellies
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Yeah, I've seen and replied to that.
    I'd hope it's a case of Ossian not knowing what he's talking about or of Niamh misunderstanding what he has meant by his statement

    Yeah. Thanks - trying to figure it out.

    Coveney said PCR would be required on exit for travel to the EU yesterday on RTE. I thought he had misspoken. But am beginning to wonder.


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