Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

faceman

The tides have turned a little and its me now asking a question. So I'm coming back to Ireland next month from Spain. I'm fully vexed etc but the person I am travelling with will only have had her 2nd jab of Pfizer 9 days prior to travel date.

Spain issue the DGC 14 days after your 2nd vaccine date. However you get proof of vaccine by way of a cert anyway. Does Ireland consider Pfizer fully vaccinated after 7 days?

stephenjmcd

Marine Layer wrote: »

In Ireland it's 7 days after the 2nd shot of Pfizer
Other EU countries must accept your DCC unless they've a fire break due to high incidences here

Not necessarily, EU regulations for digital cert states fully vaccinated is 14 days after last dose.

7 days is a domestic measure.

See below,

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_21_2984

Fully vaccinated persons with the EU Digital COVID Certificate should be exempted from travel-related testing or quarantine 14 days after having received the last dose of a COVID-19 vaccine approved for the entire EU. This should also cover recovered persons having received a single dose of a 2-dose vaccine. Member States could also lift such additional restrictions after the first dose of a 2-dose series, while taking into account the impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern or interest on vaccine effectiveness after the administration of only one dose.

stephenjmcd

faceman wrote: »

The tides have turned a little and its me now asking a question. So I'm coming back to Ireland next month from Spain. I'm fully vexed etc but the person I am travelling with will only have had her 2nd jab of Pfizer 9 days prior to travel date.

Spain issue the DGC 14 days after your 2nd vaccine date. However you get proof of vaccine by way of a cert anyway. Does Ireland consider Pfizer fully vaccinated after 7 days?

Domestically yes, for digital cert I've not seen a clear answer but EU documentation says 14 days after dose 2

jellies

Donald Trump wrote: »

Aer Lingus is a privately owned entity. When business is booming, those private owners get the benefit. When business is not booming, they have to deal with that too. Their returns in the former are compensation for the risk in the latter.

It's not about about the owners. They are typically diversified and can take the hit.

However staff that rely on their jobs to pay their mortgages, educate their kids etc. are 100% reliant on the company for their income. This is particularly the case in aviation where it is very difficult to change industry due to specialised roles.

Donald Trump

faceman wrote: »

The tides have turned a little and its me now asking a question. So I'm coming back to Ireland next month from Spain. I'm fully vexed etc but the person I am travelling with will only have had her 2nd jab of Pfizer 9 days prior to travel date.

Try deep breathing

Donald Trump

jellies wrote: »

It's not about about the owners. They are typically diversified and can take the hit.

However staff that rely on their jobs to pay their mortgages, educate their kids etc. are 100% reliant on the company for their income. This is particularly the case in aviation where it is very difficult to change industry due to specialised roles.

Nobody was excluded from PUP by virtue of working for Aer Lingus. The video is not about giving support to the workers but to the company i.e. subsidising the owners.

Klonker

Donald Trump wrote: »

Aer Lingus is a privately owned entity. When business is booming, those private owners get the benefit. When business is not booming, they have to deal with that too. Their returns in the former are compensation for the risk in the latter.

Or how about government let the people here travel like all other countries in the EU, most of whom actually have less cases than us. Allow antigen tests for unvaccinated, no tests for vaccinated and no quarentine and no fine for travel for what the government deem a 'non essential reason'.

gral6

faceman wrote: »

The tides have turned a little and its me now asking a question. So I'm coming back to Ireland next month from Spain. I'm fully vexed etc but the person I am travelling with will only have had her 2nd jab of Pfizer 9 days prior to travel date.

Spain issue the DGC 14 days after your 2nd vaccine date. However you get proof of vaccine by way of a cert anyway. Does Ireland consider Pfizer fully vaccinated after 7 days?

More likely, you'll have to spend these remaining 7 days in MHQ, just in case.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not necessarily, EU regulations for digital cert states fully vaccinated is 14 days after last dose.

7 days is a domestic measure.

See below,

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_21_2984

Fully vaccinated persons with the EU Digital COVID Certificate should be exempted from travel-related testing or quarantine 14 days after having received the last dose of a COVID-19 vaccine approved for the entire EU. This should also cover recovered persons having received a single dose of a 2-dose vaccine. Member States could also lift such additional restrictions after the first dose of a 2-dose series, while taking into account the impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern or interest on vaccine effectiveness after the administration of only one dose.

I see that
7 days after dose 2 is also when Pfizer considers you fully vaccinated
It appears daft to attach a condition not based on the science
The other 2,moderna and 1 shot jaansen describe full vaccination as 2 weeks after the final dose
It could be explained as avoiding confusion
Not sure what the story is with AstraZeneca

M_Murphy57

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Looks like no back tracking on 19 July

Care to elaborate for us at the back?

Valhallapt

Donald Trump wrote: »

Nobody was excluded from PUP by virtue of working for Aer Lingus. The video is not about giving support to the workers but to the company i.e. subsidising the owners.

Hate to break your heart, we’re not a hermit kingdom. We’re a disconnected island on the periphery of Europe. Our land is marginal, our weather is shyte and we have no natural resources. Without low taxes and good connectivity we’re be one of the poorer western nations.

Valhallapt

faceman wrote: »

The tides have turned a little and its me now asking a question. So I'm coming back to Ireland next month from Spain. I'm fully vexed etc but the person I am travelling with will only have had her 2nd jab of Pfizer 9 days prior to travel date.

Spain issue the DGC 14 days after your 2nd vaccine date. However you get proof of vaccine by way of a cert anyway. Does Ireland consider Pfizer fully vaccinated after 7 days?

Without a handwritten letter from Tony holohan, absolving you of past sins, I’d say your in for a length jail term

fm

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Care to elaborate for us at the back?

M.martin said it earlier

Klonker

fm wrote: »

M.martin said it earlier

He did say that with the caveat that if we get public health advice against it with certainly have to take it into consideration.

M_Murphy57

Klonker wrote: »

He did say that with the caveat that if we get public health advice against it with certainly have to take it into consideration.

So basically they will let us know on the 18th if Tony is going to allow us out. Great little country.

jellies

Donald Trump wrote: »

Nobody was excluded from PUP by virtue of working for Aer Lingus. The video is not about giving support to the workers but to the company i.e. subsidising the owners.

My daughter is on the PUP because her usher job got cancelled. Fine as pocket money for a student but hardly a replacement for a proper income.

In any case I think Are Lingus avails of the EWSS but like PUP it covers a fraction of a professional salary. Even with that those jobs become unsustainable if we keep imposing excessive restrictions on international travel.

So if you enter Ireland from another EU country on or after the 19th of July,there's no quarantine,correct?

KanyeSouthEast

Marine Layer wrote: »

So if you enter Ireland from another EU country on or after the 19th of July,there's no quarantine,correct?

As long You are fully vaccinated yes.

Red Silurian

rajqo wrote: »

does all arrivals to Ireland need a PCR test before travel until 18th of july despite being vaccinated and having a DCC issued by other EU country?

Yes you need a negative PCR taken up to 72 hours before your arrival (not your departure) even if vaccinated

The equivalent of breath testing the non-drinker on his way to the pub

Red Silurian

Marine Layer wrote: »

So if you enter Ireland from another EU country on or after the 19th of July,there's no quarantine,correct?

I'm fairly sure there's no PCR required if you're vaccinated either, a small saving but a saving none the less

RoryMac

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

As long You are fully vaccinated yes.

Or have a negative PCR/antigen(all countries accept PCR, some antigen) test result within the last 48 hours.

Or you have a certificate of recovery within the last 180 days

Edit sorry i see the OP was about entering Ireland

Van.Bosch

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Does anyone know when you are considered fully vaccinated with Pfizer to be exempt from a PCR coming into Ireland? The vaccine bonus thing is 7 days after second dose. I have seen other EU countries say 14 days for entry so wondering have we confirmed 7/14 for international travel?

There's no exception at the moment.

Each country does it's own thing it seems

Klonker

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

As long You are fully vaccinated yes.

No quarentine for people who arrive with recovery or PCR either. As far as I'm aware the only difference between us and rest of EU is we won't accept antigen. I've yet to see it written than people will be expected to still quarentine vaccinated or not.

Tenger

gral6 wrote: »

More likely, you'll have to spend these remaining 7 days in MHQ, just in case.

MHQ list doesn’t include any EU nations.
Thus the person with a single dose will need a PCR test for arrival and can get another test on day 5 to negate the home quarantine/self isolation requirement


But it does depend when they are arriving. “Next month” was stated by Faceman. That could be 10th July or 25th July. Different circumstance for each.

Tenger

jellies wrote: »

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In any case I think Are Lingus avails of the EWSS but like PUP it covers a fraction of a professional salary. Even with that those jobs become unsustainable if we keep imposing excessive restrictions on international travel.

Aer Lingus staff have been on 50% wages since April 2020. (It dropped to 30% for 4-5 months over the Winter)
And then there was the recent announcement about laying off staff in Shannon and Cork.

jellies

Tenger wrote: »

Aer Lingus staff have been on 50% wages since April 2020. (It dropped to 30% for 4-5 months over the Winter)
And then there was the recent announcement about laying off staff in Shannon and Cork.

A massive economic sacrifice by those workers and their families to protect the vulnerable. And surely more cuts to come over the winter. But it has been thrown in their faces by the government/NPHET who have not lost a single euro n the pandemic.

embraer170

A lot of political discussion in Germany today about stronger restrictions on holiday travel (just a week before some German states start their school holidays).

Also talk of a double testing requirement (pre travel back to Germany and five days after arrival) for all travellers. Quarantine requirements for for the riskier countries. Portugal got added to the German red list with home quarantine regardless of your status.

What a total mess.

Happydays2020

embraer170 wrote: »

A lot of political discussion in Germany today about stronger restrictions on holiday travel (just a week before some German states start their school holidays).

Also talk of a double testing requirement (pre travel back to Germany and five days after arrival) for all travellers. Quarantine requirements for for the riskier countries. Portugal got added to the German red list with home quarantine regardless of your status.

What a total mess.

There is politics to this also.

Marcusm

Valhallapt wrote: »

Without a handwritten letter from Tony holohan, absolving you of past sins, I’d say your in for a length jail term

You better hope Loule doesn’t degrade further or the cafes, bars and restaurants will be closed at 3:30 on weekends!

Klonker

embraer170 wrote: »

A lot of political discussion in Germany today about stronger restrictions on holiday travel (just a week before some German states start their school holidays).

Also talk of a double testing requirement (pre travel back to Germany and five days after arrival) for all travellers. Quarantine requirements for for the riskier countries. Portugal got added to the German red list with home quarantine regardless of your status.

It is turning into a mess. The main point of this I thought was to help tourism, not much good if quarentine is needed.

I think the worry is more variants (Delta) than case numbers elsewhere. It'll be a moot point in a couple of weeks as it's going to take dominant everywhere plus vaccines will be higher then too.

What a total mess.

It is turning into a mess. I thought one on the main ideas of the DCC was for tourism. Not much good if you need to quarentine anyway.

I think its just about keeping out variants (Delta at the moment). It'll be a moot point in a few weeks as it'll be dominant everywhere anyway.