General MMA Chat/News part 4 - **No Spoilers Use Event Threads**

Mellor

Khamzat has declined a fight with Rockhold saying he's staying at 170.
It's the right decision, but makes he look a fools after the "I'll fight anyone at 170 or 185" "I want 170 and then 185 the next week" etc nonsense.

eagle eye

Has he recovered from his battle with long covid yet?

EagererBeaver

Mellor wrote: »

Khamzat has declined a fight with Rockhold saying he's staying at 170.
It's the right decision, but makes he look a fools after the "I'll fight anyone at 170 or 185" "I want 170 and then 185 the next week" etc nonsense.

Tbh, given the state Rockhold is in, that seems like the sort of fight you'd expect him to take and get a handy enough win against a big name. Can't see Rockhold ever winning a big fight again.

yourdeadwright

Just seen the weigh in for Cage warriors looked like Garry was on his own ?
Didn't see anyone there with him & even after he weighed in back down to a seat on his own to re-hydrate ,

Surely he has someone to corner him ? Would you be aloud to fight without someone in the corner

but1er

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just seen the weigh in for Cage warriors looked like Garry was on his own ?
Didn't see anyone there with him & even after he weighed in back down to a seat on his own to re-hydrate ,

Surely he has someone to corner him ? Would you be aloud to fight without someone in the corner

Hes going full mike Perry. Have they not bought an apartment in Dublin? She posted home and Irish shamrock a while back. Maybe she's unhappy and wants to go back to the UK?

yourdeadwright

but1er wrote: »

Hes going full mike Perry. Have they not bought an apartment in Dublin? She posted home and Irish shamrock a while back. Maybe she's unhappy and wants to go back to the UK?

Honestly iv no idea where they are living ,
I only guessed it was the UK because she have a young son in the UK but who knows ,

I just hope the lad reaches his potential pivotal moment in his tomorrow night i hope it goes well ,

Chairman Meow

Mellor wrote: »

Khamzat has declined a fight with Rockhold saying he's staying at 170.
It's the right decision, but makes he look a fools after the "I'll fight anyone at 170 or 185" "I want 170 and then 185 the next week" etc nonsense.

Chimaev is a muppet. Beats up 2 cans back to back and starts talking like hes a world champion. Like a dagestani James Gallagher.

ElBastardo1

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Honestly iv no idea where they are living ,
I only guessed it was the UK because she have a young son in the UK but who knows ,

I just hope the lad reaches his potential pivotal moment in his tomorrow night i hope it goes well ,

It seems to me like the Tommy Gunn story in Rocky. Garry claimed it was the team doing all the talking and he'd say nothing until after the fight and then released a statement claiming it was over and he had to get out his side as Team KF were doing all the talking. Has anyone seen King or Fields say anything? I haven't and they are exceptionally quiet of social media. They are the biggest losers out of all this. Garry may go on to have a great career but the two lads who helped him get to where he is are gonzo. They never got the UFC money as a gym like Sence Kavanagh's SBG did.

yourdeadwright

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

It seems to me like the Tommy Gunn story in Rocky. Garry claimed it was the team doing all the talking and he'd say nothing until after the fight and then released a statement claiming it was over and he had to get out his side as Team KF were doing all the talking. Has anyone seen King or Fields say anything? I haven't and they are exceptionally quiet of social media. They are the biggest losers out of all this. Garry may go on to have a great career but the two lads who helped him get to where he is are gonzo. They never got the UFC money as a gym like Sence Kavanagh's SBG did.

ILook guys always move camps and things happen but its strange it happened 10 days out and at such a pivotal time for him,

Garry & "the team" are on the verge of the big time , seems very strange that a middle ground could not be found seen as you mentioned there is a lot to lose on both sides,

Garry most important fight that could set him up for life
The lads getting that UFC recognition for the gym that could also set them up for life,
That's without even going into the fact Garry been there from day one & always seemed to have a reat relationship with them ,

Just seems a shame for all involved

Mellor

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

They never got the UFC money as a gym like Sence Kavanagh's SBG did.

They’re a relatively young gym. Haven’t had anyone get to that level until Garry. That’s pretty normal. In fact, never getting to the UFC is normal.
A bit unfair to bemoan Kavanagh’s success. He did the yards in the little leagues for years too.

Whats “Sence”? Somebody posted that the other day and I thought it was a typo. But there it is again.

eagle eye

Mellor wrote:

Whats “Sence� Somebody posted that the other day and I thought it was a typo. But there it is again.

For some reason I think they are trying to spell sensei.

ElBastardo1

It was probably me both times, forgot the i at the end. Doh!!

Yeah I know most gyms don't get the UFC money but I can't help but feel sorry for KF. They are the only losers in this.

I know Kavanagh did the graft, still regard him as a 'rent a quote' and a bit of a snake oil salesman.

Mellor

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

It was probably me both times, forgot the i at the end. Doh!!

Yeah I know most gyms don't get the UFC money but I can't help but feel sorry for KF. They are the only losers in this.

I know Kavanagh did the graft, still regard him as a 'rent a quote' and a bit of a snake oil salesman.

They’ll definitely lose out on the next few fights.
I find it really strange so close to a fight tbh.

Whelo79

A statement from Team KF regarding the Ian Garry situation

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2909269926003737&id=1670622723201803&anchor_composer=false&ref=bookmarks

but1er

Whelo79 wrote: »

Astatekemt from Team KF regarding the Ian Garry situation

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2909269926003737&id=1670622723201803&anchor_composer=false&ref=bookmarks

Basically blaming his missis? She's his manager

MrStuffins

It's the age-old story i'm afraid.

Whelo79

Layla does a lot in the world of football too, I wonder maybe if she has seen too much of the pampering elite football players get and was trying to take this into Ian's career?

I can understand a manager wanting the best for the athlete, but all too often a wife/girlfriend being the athletes manager does not end well. She comes across as someone who goes 100% at every single thing she does, fully committed. I'd imagine her approach to business and relationships are similar.

The response (if we get one) will be interesting.

rob316

The Mrs is his manager? Disaster
Feel for Tom and Chris they put alot of time and effort into him and will now miss out on the journey ahead which looks like the UFC. Undoubtedly the most exciting Irish fighter since Conor.

Whelo79

rob316 wrote: »

The Mrs is his manager? Disaster

Yeah she is definitely s manager. Cage Warriors made reference to it just before his walk out on Saturday. They were discussing the fight almost being called on Friday because Garry apparently planned on having nobody in his corner.

The commentators said "We understand that Ian will now be cornered by Paul Hughes and Cage Warriors own Layla Anna Lee, who is Ian's manager".

yourdeadwright

Whelo79 wrote: »

Layla does a lot in the world of football too, I wonder maybe if she has seen too much of the pampering elite football players get and was trying to take this into Ian's career?

I can understand a manager wanting the best for the athlete, but all too often a wife/girlfriend being the athletes manager does not end well. She comes across as someone who goes 100% at every single thing she does,

The response (if we get one) will be interesting.

Without knowing the in's & outs sounds like a very naive move from the young lad,

Letting a new enough romantic partner come in and take control of your career that was building nicely seems a bit mental to me, Don't mix business & pleasure ,

" fully committed. I'd imagine her approach to business and relationships are similar. " Didn't see get married only a few years back

ElBastardo1

Whelo79 wrote: »

Yeah she is definitely s manager. Cage Warriors made reference to it just before his walk out on Saturday. They were discussing the fight almost being called on Friday because Garry apparently planned on having nobody in his corner.

The commentators said "We understand that Ian will now be cornered by Paul Hughes and Cage Warriors own Layla Anna Lee, who is Ian's manager".

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Without knowing the in's & outs sounds like a very naive move from the young lad,

Letting a new enough romantic partner come in and take control of your career that was building nicely seems a bit mental to me, Don't mix business & pleasure ,

" fully committed. I'd imagine her approach to business and relationships are similar. " Didn't see get married only a few years back

When he came out of the Octagon she ran over and hugged him then jumped up into his arms and wrapped her legs around him. to me it was a bit too much, all for the cameras. Some people may disagree, but having your wife/ GF come into the ring and congratulate you is fine, a hug and a kiss is all normal, jumping into his arms with her legs in the air was a bit school girl for me, and she's 10 years + older than him. At this point I didn't even know she was his manager, makes it more bizarre.

Wonder what he was doing in training for him to get repeated warnings. going too hard maybe? either way about a year ago I had a Twitter convo with him and I said to him "Don't go all Mcgregor on us and lose focus, make sure your training comes first and forget about all the bull****" his reply was "Don't worry, I have 2 coaches who keep me grounded and if I got too big for me boots they'd call to my house and loaf me straight" or words to that effect. Guess he may have lost the run of himself.

Fantomas9mm

With all respect , is there a chance Ian Garry just outgrew the KF team ? Is there a limit as to how far he could go with KF and the reality is he just hit that limit ?
Very easy to blame a new bird in the scene !!

yourdeadwright

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

When he came out of the Octagon she ran over and hugged him then jumped up into his arms and wrapped her legs around him. to me it was a bit too much, all for the cameras. Some people may disagree, but having your wife/ GF come into the ring and congratulate you is fine, a hug and a kiss is all normal, jumping into his arms with her legs in the air was a bit school girl for me, and she's 10 years + older than him. At this point I didn't even know she was his manager, makes it more bizarre.

Wonder what he was doing in training for him to get repeated warnings. going too hard maybe? either way about a year ago I had a Twitter convo with him and I said to him "Don't go all Mcgregor on us and lose focus, make sure your training comes first and forget about all the bull****" his reply was "Don't worry, I have 2 coaches who keep me grounded and if I got too big for me boots they'd call to my house and loaf me straight" or words to that effect. Guess he may have lost the run of himself.

I said last week that it just didn't sit right how she interrupted his interview
You'd never see a UFC top guy let his manger let alone Girlfriend interrupt him like that ,

Straight in hand on shoulder , told the interviewer to hold on a second & told him something & when he started to talk again she interrupted again , it really came across as him being a kid being told him to say & not ,

I wonder does her kid live with them ?

Seems like a lot going on at once for the chap, fingers crossed he makes the big time ,

MrStuffins

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

With all respect , is there a chance Ian Garry just outgrew the KF team ? Is there a limit as to how far he could go with KF and the reality is he just hit that limit ?
Very easy to blame a new bird in the scene !!

When he left he was a 6-0 pro who hadn't headlined a major card. In order to outgrow something you have to grow in the first place.

Whelo79

yourdeadwright wrote: »

" fully committed. I'd imagine her approach to business and relationships are similar. " Didn't see get married only a few years back

I know zero about her personal life so it's impossible to comment. The end of that relationship may not have been her choice? Or maybe she is All In until she is All Out, who knows.

Whatever the reasons and goings on, hopefully he continues to rapidly progress his career and that potential doesn't get stunted or slowed down.

Whelo79

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

When he came out of the Octagon she ran over and hugged him then jumped up into his arms and wrapped her legs around him. to me it was a bit too much, all for the cameras. Some people may disagree, but having your wife/ GF come into the ring and congratulate you is fine, a hug and a kiss is all normal, jumping into his arms with her legs in the air was a bit school girl for me, and she's 10 years + older than him. At this point I didn't even know she was his manager, makes it more bizarre.

We're Irish, we're not exactly known for being the most passionate of people when it comes to showing admiration and effection. I've no problem with her doing that. I think she is 15 years old than him? 23 v 38??

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

Wonder what he was doing in training for him to get repeated warnings. going too hard maybe? either way about a year ago I had a Twitter convo with him and I said to him "Don't go all Mcgregor on us and lose focus, make sure your training comes first and forget about all the bull****" his reply was "Don't worry, I have 2 coaches who keep me grounded and if I got too big for me boots they'd call to my house and loaf me straight" or words to that effect. Guess he may have lost the run of himself.

Maybe you should forward that tweet back on to him as a little friendly reminder. Many a good man has been blindsided by a smoking hot piece of ass.

Whelo79

MrStuffins wrote: »

When he left he was a 6-0 pro who hadn't headlined a major card. In order to outgrow something you have to grow in the first place.

You think 6-0 is not growing?

Working your way to a Cage Warriors title fight is not growing?

Rounding off his skilset so well, after coming from a purely striking background, in such a relatively short space of time, is not growing?

Having the mental strength to deal with what happened over these last two weeks and still go out and put on a clinical performance, in his first ever 5 round fight, to win a title, does not show growth?

The kid is 23, his growth these last few years has been immense. I'm not saying he has outgrown Team KF, Chris and Tom are excellent coaches and they have a strong upcoming young team. But you can not for one second attempt to say Ian Garry has not grown.

He has pretty much dominated the headlines in each of the last 3 Cage Warrior trilogy events. Wether by his performances or his personality through the video diaries Cage Warriors put out.

Fantomas9mm

How good are King and Fields as coaches ?

rob316

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

How good are King and Fields as coaches ?

Better than anything SBG have to offer IMO. King is probably one of the best BJJ coaches, competitors in Europe. Chris Fields is a very experienced fighter himself, its a new team but they have been making waves.

rob316

MrStuffins wrote: »

When he left he was a 6-0 pro who hadn't headlined a major card. In order to outgrow something you have to grow in the first place.

Come on he absolutely pissed CW so far, it wasn't long ago I was watching him in ammy fights. His growth has been phenomenal.

Fantomas9mm

rob316 wrote: »

Better than anything SBG have to offer IMO. King is probably one of the best BJJ coaches, competitors in Europe. Chris Fields is a very experienced fighter himself, its a new team but they have been making waves.

Yeah good to hear….

Hopefully more prospects start to emege from their camp in the years to come.

yourdeadwright

Both are good but for me King is one of them really rare guys , he is extremely talented at coaching the ground game ,

Very interested to see where Garry goes form here he has talent no question but he has also be fighting guys who aren't close to UFC level fighters ,
Grant for example was 2-2 in his last 4 , now has only won 2 of his last 5 ,

Mellor

Fantomas9mm wrote: »

With all respect , is there a chance Ian Garry just outgrew the KF team ? Is there a limit as to how far he could go with KF and the reality is he just hit that limit ?
Very easy to blame a new bird in the scene !!

Very unlikely if the Team KF statement is accurate.

Behaviour towards teammates, coaches, uncoachable.
Not something I'd associate with a natural outgrowing of a club.

rob316 wrote: »

Better than anything SBG have to offer IMO. King is probably one of the best BJJ coaches, competitors in Europe. Chris Fields is a very experienced fighter himself, its a new team but they have been making waves.

Well they were SBG up until about 18 months ago. The reality most (not all) of the experienced MMA in Ireland has roots in SBG.
But the top level does seem to the drifting over time.

Whelo79

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Both are good but for me King is one of them really rare guys , he is extremely talented at coaching the ground game ,

Very interested to see where Garry goes form here he has talent no question but he has also be fighting guys who aren't close to UFC level fighters ,
Grant for example was 2-2 in his last 4 , now has only won 2 of his last 5 ,

Tom King is excellent at what he does alright.

Jack Grant was 2-2 in his last 4, but those 2 loses were title fights. He was also 8-2 if you look over his last 10 fights.

No doubt though that the quality of fighter in Cage Warriors is nowhere near close in comparison to what Ian will face when he goes to the UFC. A move to an American gym might be the best idea for him. Get some top class sparring partners around him before he hits the UFC. But he may have to reign in his personality/ego a bit if he does, as he might rub some people up the wrong way.

yourdeadwright

Whelo79 wrote: »

Tom King is excellent at what he does alright.

Jack Grant was 2-2 in his last 4, but those 2 loses were title fights. He was also 8-2 if you look over his last 10 fights.

No doubt though that the quality of fighter in Cage Warriors is nowhere near close in comparison to what Ian will face when he goes to the UFC. A move to an American gym might be the best idea for him. Get some top class sparring partners around him before he hits the UFC. But he may have to reign in his personality/ego a bit if he does, as he might rub some people up the wrong way.

I think your right but i also thing an American move is off the table with the missus working for BT,

MrStuffins

Whelo79 wrote: »

You think 6-0 is not growing?

Pump the brakes there chief.

I never said he wasn't growing. It was suggested that he had OUTGROWN Team KF. In order to outgrow something, you have to have reached a certain level of growth in the first place.

Maybe he considers 6-0 as a pro as having outgrown the team, maybe he sees Conor McGregor when he looks in the mirror, maybe he thinks he's the second coming of GSP and would beat Usman with his eyes closed.......... but you'll struggle to find too many who will say he's outgrown Team KF at this point.

Whelo79 wrote: »

I'm not saying he has outgrown Team KF, Chris and Tom are excellent coaches and they have a strong upcoming young team.

So we agree with each other. Not sure the rant was necessary.

MrStuffins

rob316 wrote: »

Come on he absolutely pissed CW so far, it wasn't long ago I was watching him in ammy fights. His growth has been phenomenal.

Again, the question was not whether he'd been growing or not, but whether he considers himself bigger than the team now and has outgrown them.

Of course he is GROWING but he has not GROWN to that level just yet in my opinion

Whelo79

MrStuffins wrote: »

Pump the brakes there chief.

I never said he wasn't growing. It was suggested that he had OUTGROWN Team KF. In order to outgrow something, you have to have reached a certain level of growth in the first place.

Maybe he considers 6-0 as a pro as having outgrown the team, maybe he sees Conor McGregor when he looks in the mirror, maybe he thinks he's the second coming of GSP and would beat Usman with his eyes closed.......... but you'll struggle to find too many who will say he's outgrown Team KF at this point.



So we agree with each other. Not sure the rant was necessary.

Maybe you need to be a bit more specific with what you write, we can only reply to your choice of words which were

MrStuffins wrote: »

In order to outgrow something you have to grow in the first place.

MrStuffins

Whelo79 wrote: »

Maybe you need to be a bit more specific with what you write, we can only reply to your choice of words which were

I made the mistake in assuming everyone would be able to take the entire context of the conversation into consideration and know I didn't mean that he wasn't growing, but he hadn't yet grown to the level spoken about in the posts.

But turns out I was wrong.

Whelo79

MrStuffins wrote: »

I made the mistake in assuming everyone would be able to take the entire context of the conversation into consideration and know I didn't mean that he wasn't growing, but he hadn't yet grown to the level spoken about in the posts.

But turns out I was wrong.

The 'entire context' was one poster had suggested maybe he had outgrown Team KF and that people shouldn't straight off the bat presume it was his girlfriends doing.

You responded to that saying as previously quoted.

Thanks for clearing things up anyway. We are all in agreement, happy families.

ElBastardo1

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

When he came out of the Octagon she ran over and hugged him then jumped up into his arms and wrapped her legs around him. to me it was a bit too much, all for the cameras. Some people may disagree, but having your wife/ GF come into the ring and congratulate you is fine, a hug and a kiss is all normal, jumping into his arms with her legs in the air was a bit school girl for me, and she's 10 years + older than him. At this point I didn't even know she was his manager, makes it more bizarre.

Big hugs for the new cash cow

Feel sorry for Chrissy it panned out like this, I know him from growing up, such a genuine person with a passion for martial arts... one things for sure, he'll generate other champs

yourdeadwright

Whelo79 wrote: »

The 'entire context' was one poster had suggested maybe he had outgrown Team KF and that people shouldn't straight off the bat presume it was his girlfriends doing.

You responded to that saying as previously quoted.

Thanks for clearing things up anyway. We are all in agreement, happy families.

I felt it was unfair that she was getting the blame as there had been whispers for a while about her influence on him ,
I think that was all but confirmed with the statement where his manger was mentioned twice and the line that he became uncoachable after the employment of his new manger (his missus)

Whelo79

Uncoachable is a strong word. How does the appointment of a manager make someone become uncoachable?

Unless Ian/Layla was insisting on something along the lines of private training only, not to be involved in group sessions, altering their class schedule to suit Ian. What else could it possibly be?

yourdeadwright

Whelo79 wrote: »

Uncoachable is a strong word. How does the appointment of a manager make someone become uncoachable?

Unless Ian/Layla was insisting on something along the lines of private training only, not to be involved in group sessions, altering their class schedule to suit Ian. What else could it possibly be?

Very hard to speculate on that could be so many things
Not turning up on time, changing times, wanting them to travle, Not wanting certain trianing partners wanting other partners, Simply not listening and doinh his own thing

Could be anything really

Id imagine if shes a good manger then she'll be telling Ian leave it as is and move on, no point in saying anything back as the lads didn't go into any detail that could make him look bad

could have been over bearing management.... can't wrap his hands, or let him go toilet without management being informed...

some of these managers really like to micro manage ****

ASOT

Looking at Graham Boylans latest tweet it's hard to see him fighting for cage warriors again anyway.

From what I have managed to find out he was barely talking to anyone in the gym and asking people to go through his 'PA' of they wanted to speak to him.

ElBastardo1

Whelo79 wrote: »

We're Irish, we're not exactly known for being the most passionate of people when it comes to showing admiration and effection. I've no problem with her doing that. I think she is 15 years old than him? 23 v 38??



Maybe you should forward that tweet back on to him as a little friendly reminder. Many a good man has been blindsided by a smoking hot piece of ass.

Found it:

https://twitter.com/iangarryMMA/status/1259573321764569091?s=20

https://twitter.com/iangarryMMA/status/1259616775739711493?s=20


I deleted what I said to him after a tweet clear out. You get the idea what he was replying to. also read is initial tweet.

selassie

What foreign gym could he possible go to? Loud mouthed hyped Irish man will have a target on his back wherever he goes.

At home, I wouldn't imagine the SBG lads would be too happy to have some chap who slagged off their choice of fight promotion to waltz in and expect special treatment.

scudzilla

Ais reposted the KF statement , somebody asked her if John Kavanagh was still her coach, to which she replied..."Thankfully no" :pac::pac::pac:

ASOT

Lewis v Gane for the interim heavyweight title, Aug 7th in Houston