2021-22 UEFA Champions League

Fattybojangles · 13-12-2021 3:32pm

Liverpool and Real will be raging

Fitz* · 13-12-2021 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315237#Comment_118315237

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sligeach · 13-12-2021 3:41pm

Man United got an easier draw. Chelsea got the same handy draw. Liverpool got a far tougher draw. And City got a much easier draw.

jacool · 13-12-2021 3:45pm

First time round we had Man City as 11/4 favourites, with Liverpool and Bayern both 7/2. PSG and Chelsea are both 13/2 and then its 12/1 and better the rest all the way to 250/1 shots RB Salzburg. There are some tasty ties in there.

Price changes have occurred: City the same but Bayern in to 3/1 while Liverpool out to 6/1. No change for Chelsea (only unchanged tie, duh!) while PSG drifted to 15/2 and Real Madrid went from 12/1 to 20/1! PSG and Real Madrid both punished there, while Atletico must be delighted.

internelligent · 13-12-2021 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315336#Comment_118315336

I think Man Utd draw is much harder. Liverpool's is slightly tougher but would expect them to go through. City were going through anyway really.

No complaints

MisterAnarchy · 13-12-2021 3:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315140#Comment_118315140

The answer to that is pretty obvious.

MisterAnarchy · 13-12-2021 3:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315336#Comment_118315336

Utd got a slightly easier draw but Atletico and PSG were both the teams to avoid.

City and Chelsea both got the best draws possible.

Liverpool will be happy with their draw too.

sligeach · 13-12-2021 4:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315376#Comment_118315376

Liverpool's draw is more than slightly tougher. They went from the easiest opponents, Salzburg, to Serie A champions and top of the table again this season, Inter Milan.

Atletico Madrid are poor, they were lucky in some of their matches as well, like beating AC Milan deep into injury time with a Suarez penalty. United are definitely happier with this.

And City weren't guaranteed to go through against Villarreal, who aren't a bad side, they need better finishing though. City are going through now though.

13-12-2021 4:06pm

Real and PSG are the ones raging. Delighted they drew each other.

Everyone else is probably happy enough with their draw.

Once PSG was avoided I'm sure most of the top seeds didn't care too much.

internelligent · 13-12-2021 4:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315518#Comment_118315518

Agree to disagree.

Talisman · 13-12-2021 4:27pm

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I think the Liverpool management team will be happier with the second draw. Salzburg are a young energetic side that will press for 90 minutes. Inter Milan are sloth like by comparison. Barella is suspended for the first leg so they will be missing the energy he provides in midfield.

Inter are the top team in Italy but there are only 3 points separating them from AC Milan and Atalanta. The Liverpool second string accounted for AC Milan easily enough in the last game and Man Utd were in disarray yet they were too strong for Atalanta.

13-12-2021 4:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315365#Comment_118315365

Nice one, I was looking for this exact info

yourdeadwright · 13-12-2021 6:23pm

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I reckon Liverpool would have absolutely crucified Salzburg because they like to press,

Inter is a far far tougher game,

Weepsie · 13-12-2021 6:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315518#Comment_118315518

Wouldn't say Liverpool got a far tougher draw at all. Atletico have plenty of injuries too at the moment and should improve, and were robbed in the first pool game (though we're still rubbish)

I don't think any of the Italian teams are going deep in the competition. Salzburg would've been better prepped for Liverpool's press

sligeach · 13-12-2021 7:44pm

As much as I dislike Real Madrid, they've got a right to be upset with the redraw. They had Benfica in the original draw, now they face PSG. The reason they could have grounds is that their tie was unaffected in the original draw, they were the first 2 teams drawn out. It was after Villarreal were drawn that the mistakes occured. And yet, UEFA scrapped the whole draw and started from scratch, whereas they could have gone back to the point the first mistake happened. I don't know if Real can or will take legal action. Probably wouldn't succeed as people have already started travel arrangements.

13-12-2021 7:54pm

I fancy Real to go through against PSG and I think they're overpriced at 20/1 to go all the way.

Talisman · 13-12-2021 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118316346#Comment_118316346

They've contrasting styles and pose different challenges. Games against Salzburg would likely be exciting end to end affairs, they won't give up if they're 4-0 down in the 90th minute. Inter are more controlled with 10/11 men behind the ball when not in possession. Prior to this season, Klopp's team struggled against the teams that were tough to break down. I'd like to think that they know how to unlock such sides now as evidenced in the away game against Atletico.

At the February/March stage of the season, the cerebral challenge of unlocking Inter is more preferable to the physical challenges of 90 mile an hour games against Salzburg. I haven't checked the fixture list but I think that the away game will fall around the time of the away game against Burnley and those are the types of fixtures the team are likely to struggle with if the players are drained after a physically exhausting midweek game.

y0ssar1an22 · 13-12-2021 9:24pm

whats the story with extra time in the 2nd leg this season, or straight to penos?

i would hope straight to penos so one team doesnt have an extra 30 mins playing at home

citytillidie · 13-12-2021 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317067#Comment_118317067

Still extra time as normal

sligeach · 13-12-2021 9:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317067#Comment_118317067

Extra time remains the same.

TefalBrain · 13-12-2021 9:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118315237#Comment_118315237

It's not just this time it's almost every time in all cup competitions. It's actually remarkably good luck or.....

citytillidie · 13-12-2021 10:10pm

UEFA Champions League Round of 16

1st Legs

Tuesday 15th February

Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V Real Madrid CF (ESP)

Sporting Club De Portugal (POR) V Manchester City (ENG)

Wednesday 16th February

FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) V Liverpool FC (ENG)

FC Salzburg (AUT) V FC Bayern München (GER)

Tuesday 22nd February

Chelsea FC (ENG) V LOSC Lille (FRA)

Villarreal CF (ESP) V Juventus (ITA)

Wednesday 23rd February

Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) V Manchester United FC (ENG)

SL Benfica (POR) V AFC Ajax (NED)

2nd Legs

Tuesday 8th March

FC Bayern München (GER) V FC Salzburg (AUT)

Liverpool FC (ENG) V FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)

Wednesday 9th March

Manchester City (ENG) V Sporting Club De Portugal (POR)

Real Madrid CF (ESP) V Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)

Tuesday 15th March

AFC Ajax (NED) V SL Benfica (POR)

Manchester United FC (ENG) V Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)

Wednesday 16th March

Juventus (ITA) V Villarreal CF (ESP)

LOSC Lille (FRA) V Chelsea FC (ENG)

breezy1985 · 17-01-2022 11:50pm

The French have just banned anyone not vaccinated from stadiums and this includes players "with no exceptions" as they just told Djokovic.

Could be a problem for Chelsea if its still in place over the next few months

citytillidie · 09-02-2022 8:35pm

UEFA Champions League Round of 16

1st Legs week one.

Tuesday 15th February

Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) V Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Live on BT Sport 3 / RTE Two

Sporting Club De Portugal (POR) V Manchester City (ENG) - Live on BT Sport 2

Wednesday 16th February

FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) V Liverpool FC (ENG) - Live on BT Sport 2 / Virgin Media Two

FC Salzburg (AUT) V FC Bayern München (GER) - Live on BT Sport 3

Did you smash it · 10-02-2022 10:39am

The final this year is in st Petersburg I see. I wonder will that hold up

Fitz* · 10-02-2022 11:22am

RTE picking the heavyweight clash instead of the English side in a straightforward game again.

theoneeyedman · 10-02-2022 12:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118609463#Comment_118609463

Why, because of the 'crisis' in Ukraine? It's a long way from St Petersburg to Ukraine, nearly 2000 kms - Russia is big caller.

Did you smash it · 10-02-2022 12:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118609810#Comment_118609810

well I’d see it differently and I’m not sure why crisis is apostrophized. Russia is now a rogue nation. Not really Russia’s fault. It’s all Putin. If they keep Russia as the venue for a final while Ukrainians are being rounded into refugee…or prisoner camps …well it seems unlikely.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118609624#Comment_118609624

I'm gonna be cynical and assume it's because it's City and not one of the traditional Irish fan bases but delighted either way.

TitianGerm · 10-02-2022 12:44pm

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They're holding a world cup in Qatar, the men in charge don't care as long as they get their cut.

Did you smash it · 10-02-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118609991#Comment_118609991

well firstly thats FIFA not UEFA and Qatar aren’t invading anyone. They are guilty of human rights abuses. So was Russia when it hosted 2018.

actively invading another European sovereign nation of 44 million people with a democratically elected government is a very different box of cheese.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 3:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610037#Comment_118610037

They already invaded the Ukraine a few years back in the Donbass and Crimea and UEFA done nothing.

The only outcome is Shakhtar Donetsk haven't played a home game in 8 years.

Did you smash it · 10-02-2022 3:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610747#Comment_118610747

Wasn’t that the old Russian nationalists within the region :) or at least that’s what was claimed, it was a reasonably quick annexation with a low body county. an outright invasion of the entire country is very very different. It’s rubbing up against WWIII.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 3:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118610999#Comment_118610999

Well yes it was "Russian nationalists" but it was an annexation of land all the same.

theoneeyedman · 11-02-2022 2:12pm

i'm interested to know why you'd imagine the final in St Petersburg would be in doubt at the moment though. There are no Ukranians currently being rounded up into prisoner camps AFAIK, and while there is posturing on both sides of the Ukraine/Russia border, that's all it is at the moment.

If you're arguing UEFA will pull it for moral reasons, well then i think you'll be disappointed. European football is awash with corrupt money and money from different despotic regimes, so don't hold your breath. I mean, the Euros last year were hosted in the main by the Azeris and Boris Johnson's London, and the UEFA top dogs were happy to rub shoulders with the great and good there, so don't hold your breath.

if there is an outbreak in Ukraine, as i said it's almost 2000km from St Petersburg, so i don't see it having a direct impact, unless any conflict really explodes and spreads to w wider area, which is a long, long way off at the moment. the only way it could possibly be pulled would be if there are wider economic sanctions placed on Russia, which is a remote possibility I suppose, but its a very remote one at present, and unlikely to happen before May.

Did you smash it · 11-02-2022 2:47pm

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its nothing to do with the geographic position of St. Petersburg. If it remains at “posturing” and there’s no invasion then it will go ahead in St P most likely. If there’s a Russian invasion of ukraine then Russia will become a pariah state internationally (sanctions etc) and one of those sanctions is likely to be no CL final on Russian territory. The public pressure on UEFA to do this would be, and it’s hard to find the appropriate adverb, extremely intense.

im not buying your talk of Azerbaijans and god knows what Boris’ Britain has to do with anything. Azerbaijan were involved with a border conflict over disputed territory with Armenia. It wasn’t one country trying to take over another as the Russian offensive in Ukraine looks like.

Did you smash it · 11-02-2022 3:13pm

Look it, in terms of common ground you probably agree that the final won’t take place in St P if there’s a large Russian offensive in Ukraine. You just see that possibility as remote. I don’t see it as remote. I see it as a definite possibility

Fitz* · 11-02-2022 6:06pm

This is something worth keeping an eye on.

https://twitter.com/CFCDaily/status/1492098934629711873?t=0V6-AFOhP8q5RZ8bNFCgaA&s=19

breezy1985 · 11-02-2022 6:19pm

CA forum will have it's next Novac hero.

theoneeyedman · 11-02-2022 7:21pm

I just think talk of the game being moved at this point is nonsensical at the moment, premature at best, and a lot of chips have to fall a certain way for it to become even a talking point. Certainly, given UEFA's record of dealing with regimes that have poor human right records or dodgy business links they won't be moving it on moral grounds.

Anyway, thankfully we're back to games this coming week.

Did you smash it · 11-02-2022 7:48pm

I think it’s early to be talking about it but i think we’ll be hearing plenty about it over the coming month(s).

Mr.Nice Guy · 15-02-2022 8:10pm

Team news:

PSG XI: Donnarumma; Hakimi, Marquinhos, Kimpembe, Mendes; Danilo, Paredes, Verratti; Di Maria, Messi, Mbappe.

Real Madrid XI: Courtois; Carvajal, Militao, Alaba, Mendy; Modric, Casemiro, Kroos; Asensio, Benzema, Vinicius Jr.

Pleased Benzema was passed fit. Some serious star power on show in this one. Keen to see how Vini Jr does against Hakimi. I remember in the Leipzig game, Angelino got in behind so many times. If that happens here, I can see Madrid making them pay.