Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

John Doe1

Tell me how wrote: »

Lol. Okay then.
What evidence do you want? A post with the N word or similar in it? Cause without that, definitely no racist sentiment on here. No sir, sure there's no proof is there.

You know that those who do express 'themselves clearly' in such a fashion are scrubbed from the pages and so presenting evidence is not possible. Of course you know that. Makes it easier to say there's no evidence when you know it's deleted and those posters are generally removed nearly as quickly.
But, I stand by statement that there are many who are consistent in having an opinion that is contrary to that expressed by or in favour of people of colour. Many of these are smart enough, or have learned over time to not make it so obvious. Call that whatever you want.

So basically you have no tangible evidence of widescale racism,its all inference.

By the way, would you consider Wilfred Zaha a racist for not taking the knee?

sligeach

yosser hughes wrote: »

Is there an end date for this taking a knee thing?

It's about time to be giving the elbow to taking the knee.

bewareofthedog

Notts Forests striker Lyle Taylor explaining why he refuses to kneel.

Bobeagleburger

jetfiremuck wrote: »

You sound triggered.

Taking the knee has triggered many people alright.

Tell me how

jetfiremuck wrote: »

You sound triggered.

And yet I don't feel the need to start thread after thread expressing outrage like some do. Funny that.

Tell me how

John Doe1 wrote: »

By the way, would you consider Wilfred Zaha a racist for not taking the knee?

You want me to show you evidence of posts that have been deleted? Have you a time machine?

I don't think Zaha is a racist. Do you consider Ian Wright a woke snowflake for saying something needs to be done about racism towards footballers?

Salvation Tambourine

Tell me how wrote: »

I'll tell you what's see through.

A group of people who are very vocal on there being no value in multiculturalism, that the BLM protests even in America have no merit, that Hazel Chu should stfu, are arguing that it is correct to boo footballers, many of who are directly and viciously targeted by racists, from calling attention to the need for action against racism for about 20 seconds before a 90 minute match.

Oh and they get very upset at being called out on the fact that they are at the very least trying to absolve racists from their actions.

Looking forward to the next thread by the weekend to reinforce the point.

I know the posters you are referring to in this post and I'm not sure they are actually "saying it is correct to boo footballers" for taking the knee before games more so questioning requirement/impact.

Sure there are a few people that have joined the thread and have done as you have said but they aren't the main contributors I believe you are referring to.

extra gravy

Strumms wrote: »

That’s straight from the wokie playbook.
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Do you guys actually talk like this in everyday conversations?

extra gravy

John Doe1 wrote: »

I have been reading through your posts and my god, the lack of nuance in your argument is startling, its either "you are a racist" or "you are a good person". Just leaving this here (also ties into the whole performative 'look at me' element of the wokists) :



https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/black-and-white-thinking#:~:text=Black%20and%20white%20thinking%20can,them%20to%20think%20in%20absolutes.

At least he hasn't gotten personal and diagnosed anyone with a personality disorder.

TomTomTim

extra gravy wrote: »

At least he hasn't gotten personal and diagnosed anyone with a personality disorder.

He's been calling people racist all throughout the thread :pac:

JimmyVik

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

Well that depends on how people perceive things, I have had friends get pissy about innocent comments with no underlying agenda, whilst having no problem with throwing out far more blatant derogatory comments towards me. Unless of course they were playing the victim card?

Do you think Roy Keane would have got away with a comment that could be viewed as even mildly racially offensive on the basis that he was friends with Ian Wright? Slagging between friends in private, maybe....on National television, not a hope.

I really don't see what conversations the kneeling has started or increased. This conversation has been going on for the last 30-40 years. When I went to college in the UK some 25 years ago, coming from the sticks I knew racism was wrong. Anyone who remembers the abuse John Barnes received in his career knows all about racism and it was talked about in magazines, newspapers, shows etc. I would say the conversation around racism has only got louder since then, yet apparently racism is worse than ever in football. So the question is whether the process is counter productive.

I was in an aquarium in Barcelona just before Covid.
Sitting down watching the fish. All very relaxing.
This woman was there with a two toddlers. One of them came over to see what I was eating.
The mother says "Get back over here you little monkey".
All of a sudden two women round on the mother and start shouting and roaring at her. The toddler started bawling. IT then dawned on me that these two women were offended that she called the child a monkey and went for the jugular. One or two people tried to intervene and were shouted at and called racists. Then some guy joined in and started threatening all the racist pricks that were defending the woman.
Eventually two security guards came and escorted the woman with the toddlers out. All in tears.
Looking at the fish was not relaxing anymore, so we just left, in shock.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

Lol. Okay then.
What evidence do you want? A post with the N word or similar in it? Cause without that, definitely no racist sentiment on here. No sir, sure there's no proof is there.

You know that those who do express 'themselves clearly' in such a fashion are scrubbed from the pages and so presenting evidence is not possible. Of course you know that. Makes it easier to say there's no evidence when you know it's deleted and those posters are generally removed nearly as quickly.
But, I stand by statement that there are many who are consistent in having an opinion that is contrary to that expressed by or in favour of people of colour. Many of these are smart enough, or have learned over time to not make it so obvious. Call that whatever you want.

I've been roundly called Racist by people who have the same issues with posters as yourself.

I am not a fan of multiculturalism, I don't like hazel Chu and her constant race baiting and I obviously and vocally oppose BLM, all the boxes it apparently ticks to be called a racist.

Yet when I am asked why, I don't use "hidden code" or dog whistling when explaining why.

I've been receiving snide remarks on this thread implying and stating that I am a racist or that my views were not the right type of anti racist

My first hand experience of dealing with racism on both sides of the spectrum are dismissed because it isn't relevant enough apparently.

But this constant attempt by people to shout racist and imply that if they vocalise their opinion they are racist, is nothing but a tactic to quieten people for fear of being labelled a racist.

It's a disgusting way to debate and is just an attempt to silence and delegitimise a perspective.

If something is overtly racist, call it out instead of cowardly making blanket accusations.

Gatling

Tell me how wrote: »

. Do you consider Ian Wright a woke snowflake for saying something needs to be done about racism towards footballers?

Didn't Ian Wright accuse Peter schmichael of making racist comments
after Wright tried to break Peter schmichaels leg at one stage during a match which was untrue .

Wright shouldn't be any where near the discussion

I see sheep

JimmyVik wrote: »

I was in an aquarium in Barcelona just before Covid.
The mother says "Get back over here you little monkey".
All of a sudden two women round on the mother and start shouting and roaring at her.

Were the 2 women black?

If yes then the mother was an idiot for calling somebody a monkey in front of black people.

Doesn't mean she's a racist but stupid for sure.

There's a spectrum of Stupidity to Racism with most of these incidents.

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

Were the 2 women black?

If yes then the mother was an idiot for calling somebody a monkey in front of black people.

Doesn't mean she's a racist but stupid for sure.

There's a spectrum of Stupidity to Racism with most of these incidents.

I don't agree.

Are you honestly saying that people are stupid for even mentioning the word monkey if a black person is around?

Even when using it as a term of endearment for their own child?

That's beyond ridiculous

Salvation Tambourine

Deleted User wrote: »

I am not a fan of multiculturalism, I don't like hazel Chu and her constant race baiting and I obviously and vocally oppose BLM, all the boxes it apparently ticks to be called a racist.

Not a fan of multiculturalism = Afraid of and dislike other cultures and nationalistic

Don't like Hazel Chu = Because she is of Asian descent and a woman

Oppose BLM = You don't support the fight for racial equality

This is seemingly the black and white versions of your stances that people associate these stances too. Funnily enough there is probably a large cross over in people who attribute these things in a binary way and the same people who believe in a whole myriad of genders. Black and white for one and a whole rainbow for the other. That's my feeling anyway.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

I'll tell you what's see through.

A group of people who are very vocal on there being no value in multiculturalism, that the BLM protests even in America have no merit, that Hazel Chu should stfu, are arguing that it is correct to boo footballers, many of who are directly and viciously targeted by racists, from calling attention to the need for action against racism for about 20 seconds before a 90 minute match.

It's interesting the Black/White Right/Wrong perspective you have.

Modern multiculturalism is artificial, badly planned and forced on the populations of western nations, So, yes, there's little value in it.. although traditional multiculturalism was more natural, without the friction caused these days. Similar could be said about BLM. Of course, it has some value, but not to the extent that you wish to project.. and certainly not this, all embracing of the whole movement.. as for the footballers, these people choose to work in this industry and are extremely well paid for that, so I'm not terribly bothered by their unhappiness. Although I would like to see any serious expression of racism by football supporters stamped out simply because it's dangerous to racial groups in general. Mobs are dangerous.

Oh and they get very upset at being called out on the fact that they are at the very least trying to absolve racists from their actions.

Looking forward to the next thread by the weekend to reinforce the point.

Nobody is trying to absolve racists. At least, I can't remember anyone providing excuses for racist behavior... However, this desire by some to call non-racists, racist... that's worth fighting against.

Fandymo

Effects wrote: »

"Tell me you're racist, without telling me you're racist."

Taking the knee before a game where you’re trying to qualify for a competition in Qatar where over 3000 slaves have died building the stadiums is the very height of stupidity. Footballers need to play football, if they want to enact change outside of football, set up a foundation outside of football like many have.

Salvation Tambourine

Salvation Tambourine wrote: »

Not a fan of multiculturalism = Afraid of and dislike other cultures and nationalistic

Don't like Hazel Chu = Because she is of Asian descent and a woman

I wonder can a country be multicultural and nationalistic. Like the US for instance. The US will be an extremely nationalistic country when it is minority white. It’s the most nationalistic/imperialistic country in the world and probably in history. Internally it’s all “don’t criticise non whites”, externally the country bombs them to smithereens. Want to end 500 years of “white supremacy” then let the Chinese take over.

By the way I have no fear of a Chinese century, the “anti white supremacists” are scared to hell of it. As for Chu, she’s welcome here if she can lose the American ideologies.

Oppose BLM = You don't support the fight for racial equality
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As I pointed out before BLM is about black lives in the US. The last killing of a black man was in 2011, as far as I can see. It’s another form of American supremacism.

PuddingBreath

Uno Reverso card
A smartar$e would say " if you don't like the booing then don't watch the football".

Fandymo

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I dunno, they can be fairly intolerant over there if you refuse to wear the poppy.

Matic doesn’t wear one and hasn’t had much abuse.

I see sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you honestly saying that people are stupid for even mentioning the word monkey if a black person is around?

Absolutely.

Stupid, totally ignorant.

I see sheep

PuddingBreath wrote: »

Uno Reverso card
A smartar$e would say " if you don't like the booing then don't watch the football".

If you don't like footballers standing up for something they believe in then don't come to the match.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

But, I stand by statement that there are many who are consistent in having an opinion that is contrary to that expressed by or in favour of people of colour.

Which is not racist. We are allowed to have differing opinions to that of people of color. And it's a good thing that people are consistent about their views.

Many of these are smart enough, or have learned over time to not make it so obvious. Call that whatever you want.

The same can be said of you, although, I'd say that you're more obvious in pushing your views about posters... you just do it "in general".

People disagree with your views on racism. That doesn't make them racist.

stratowide

I see sheep wrote: »

Were the 2 women black?

If yes then the mother was an idiot for calling somebody a monkey in front of black people.

Doesn't mean she's a racist but stupid for sure.

There's a spectrum of Stupidity to Racism with most of these incidents.

Meanwhile back in the real world if I'm rebuked for calling my child a little monkey then get ready for some angry retaliation.

Spectrum of racism me hole.

Christ the shark has surely jumped on this one.

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

Absolutely.

Stupid, totally ignorant.

What a bizarre take. Also indicative of people who claim to be anti racism, finding a reason to shoehorn implied meanings at every turn.

What is stupid about saying monkey within earshot of a black person?

You've said it's not racist. So why then is it stupid?

How is it stupid to say something non racist?

Salvation Tambourine

Deleted User wrote: »

What a bizarre take. Also indicative of people who claim to be anti racism, finding a reason to shoehorn implied meanings at every turn.

What is stupid about saying monkey within earshot of a black person?

You've said it's not racist. So why then is it stupid?

How is it stupid to say something non racist?

There is absolutely no point in discussing this further with someone that has an attitude like the other poster. People call their children monkeys all the time and I reckon it's lead to incredibly few cases of offence by real people.

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

Absolutely.

Stupid, totally ignorant.

So, our language should be policed even when it doesn't relate to other racial groups? What about their language? I find the N word offensive. Does that mean that Black people are stupid and ignorant in using it with regards to another Black person?

Even then, the N word is widely recognised as being a word with negative connotations. How about a commonly used word with no widespread common negativity? Should White people be justified in going nuts over such usage?

PuddingBreath

Fandymo wrote: »

Taking the knee before a game where you’re trying to qualify for a competition in Qatar where over 3000 slaves have died building the stadiums is the very height of stupidity. Footballers need to play football, if they want to enact change outside of football, set up a foundation outside of football like many have.

Hey now you big racist, it's an Arab states human rights to have slaves from other less well off countries and to steal their passports and kill them ! .... (Sarcasm)
It's completely lost on the footballers as to why they are being booed, ah well, I never did think the likes of Wayne Rooney was a member of Mensa. They are hypocrites, but that's just human nature, hardly none of us would give away much of our lotto winnings if we won it(for some footballers it's like they win the lottery after a month's wages). I'd have a bit of respect if these sports organisations did something actually effective like not wear clothes made by slaves or children or all premier League players promised to give 5% of their wages to providing sanitation and irrigation in 3rd world countries, imagine how many lives that would save?
Even within football, the rich are getting richer but some of the smaller clubs are starting to fold, it's also lost in these guys that when the likes of Bury fold there's less grassroots support available for other young people of colour.

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't agree.

Are you honestly saying that people are stupid for even mentioning the word monkey if a black person is around?

Even when using it as a term of endearment for their own child?

That's beyond ridiculous

Hey. Its the "M" word from here on out.
Never say Monkey again. Or else ....