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Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

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    #1112
    jakiah
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    What do you mean trendy? Did you notice that Ireland have a number of black players in the team and they gave their reasons why they were kneeling? To whoever said it was nothing to do with Hungary, doing it in a country that elected that Orban thing twice is entirely appropriate.
    Only doing it in countries who have specific types of parties in power is definately political.

    It cant be political and non-political at the same time lads, make up your minds.


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    #1113
    Mimon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    PeggyShippen wrote: »
    I think the whole taking the knee was pushed more by management than the players. Stephen Kenny has been abit political already with the recent 'republican highlights reel ' shown to the team prior to the England game. This is another left wing republican type push. Kenny had to check himself when he said initially they were approached by the FAI, then he quickly calculated that he could be found out so admitted he approached the FAI...then he got the players onboard. Not alone is Kenny a bad football manager he's a left wing campaigner.

    Must be a strange world you inhabit where there are left wing boogey men everywhere, ready to pounce.


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    #1114
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Yawn!

    Have you taken the knee at all???
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    #1115
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    And that's the extent of the disruption? That the game kicks off at five seconds after 8pm rather than 8pm on the button?

    Frankly i'm not sure how the players ever get over such disruption! They should be paid more or something.

    Well supporters aren't paying in to be protested at, they are paying in to watch the game. The fact that this protest is happening at some games and not others would point it as a protest (at least sometimes) aimed towards particular groups and countries. Those supporters would likely be upset at being branded as racist in that instance (even if it's true).


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    #1116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    I think rather than booing there needs to be a chant - 'just play the ****ing game we are not America' - or something along those lines.

    Yeh. Or maybe a sign saying “**** the US and it’s anti white, anti Muslim, anti Chinese rhetoric”.

    Bit long maybe.

    It’s for these reasons that I welcome the Chinese century. Great group of lads.


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    #1117
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    What do you mean trendy? Did you notice that Ireland have a number of black players in the team and they gave their reasons why they were kneeling? To whoever said it was nothing to do with Hungary, doing it in a country that elected that Orban thing twice is entirely appropriate.

    One Irish lad Cheidozie Ogbene said that he wants more done.


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    #1118
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    What do you mean trendy? Did you notice that Ireland have a number of black players in the team and they gave their reasons why they were kneeling? To whoever said it was nothing to do with Hungary, doing it in a country that elected that Orban thing twice is entirely appropriate.

    What were the reasons?

    Hungary is mostly likely one of the countries where black people are generally not killed by police. Also much less violence against Muslims.


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    #1119
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    One Irish lad Cheidozie Ogbene said that he wants more done.

    He wants fewer shootings of black people in the US? Maybe protest outside the embassy.


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    #1120
    jakiah
    Registered Users Posts: 469 ✭✭jakiah


    fvp4 wrote: »
    Hungary is mostly likely one of the countries where black people are generally not killed by police. Also much less violence against Muslims.
    :D


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    #1121
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Gradius wrote: »
    Why wouldn't the Irish football team choose to represent the discrimination against travellers then?

    They do.

    Taking the knee is under the banner "No Room for Racism".


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    #1122
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Well Orban is big dirty racist, and the Hungarians voted him in, so it seems like a pretty appropriate place to make a statement against racism...

    If the Hungarians resent the implication that they're all racists, then maybe they should have a think about who they put in Government.


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    #1123
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Deleted User wrote: »
    On the Multiculturalism in Ireland thread, a number of posters (perhaps 5 of the regular posters) spoke about the need to create a party which was independent of the established politicians, which could tackle the issues of immigration and multiculturalism, while also tackling the funding/influence of the NGOs. A few of the posters involved in that discussion, suggested that I be part of such a party because of the manner of my posts, and general interest on the topic. For my own part, I added, perhaps three posts to that discussion... and supported the idea (in thanking posts) that others would form such a party. In any case, it was never taken seriously by the posters involved.

    Sounds like the poster wasn't too far off then.

    Makes sense.


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    #1124
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    fvp4 wrote: »
    He wants fewer shootings of black people in the US? Maybe protest outside the embassy.

    I agree it’s just stirring the pot -

    should we need a reminder we don’t do melting pots; here we do a godalmighty stew. That’s all this ever results in


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    #1125
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Gatling wrote: »
    Have you taken the knee at all???

    I'm still waiting on my International debut unfortunately :(


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    #1126
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Sounds like the poster wasn't too far off then.

    Makes sense.

    Some people will see what they want to see regardless of what's actually written.

    In any case, I'm finished with this line of discussion. It's not relevant to this thread. Come over to the Multiculturalism thread if you want to pursue it.


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    #1127
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Well supporters aren't paying in to be protested at.......

    Irrelevant.

    The statement was that it disrupts the game. Not that it inconveniences paying spectators.


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    #1128
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MarkEadie wrote: »
    Well it was certainly mentioned by klaz and his interest in doing it was also there. He also has an interest in not admitting it and glossing it over as it wouldn't have looked great. As I said I do not have the motivation to look back through the posts at the moment. I could easily be made to look foolish if someone on an anti immigration side quoted the posts and I was shown to be wrong but I highly doubt that will happen.Perhaps I will gain the motivation to look through the posts at some point but as I said,I highly doubt it due to the poor searching function.

    Perhaps if you don't have the motivation to prove your accusations, you shouldn't throw them out.

    Otherwise it seems your whole "correct me if I am wrong" addition to your post was done in bad faith. He corrected you, said you were wrong, yet you don't accept it.

    It has happened a lot on this thread.

    It seems people are motivated to dirty someone's name, but not motivated to back it up


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    #1129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Well Orban is big dirty racist, and the Hungarians voted him in, so it seems like a pretty appropriate place to make a statement against racism...

    If the Hungarians resent the implication that they're all racists, then maybe they should have a think about who they put in Government.

    Did he invade Yemen, overthrow secular governments in the legacy and North Africa, cause slave markets to appear in North Africa and pathologize the Chinese or was that some other liberal democracy?

    As I write this it reminds me that Cecil Rhodes would be very happy with the US foreign policy. He’d probably prefer that Blighty was a bit stronger in the relationship rather than a poodle but he’d be a definite cheerleader.

    Anyway the most important thing is what happens in the US. Everybody look there and not here.


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    #1130
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Perhaps if you don't have the motivation to prove your accusations, you shouldn't throw them out.

    Luckily for Mark, Klaz pretty much confirmed that what he was saying was pretty much true.


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    #1131
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Irrelevant.

    The statement was that it disrupts the game. Not that it inconveniences paying spectators.

    It delays the start of the game which is disruptive. Yes it's only a short interlude but it's a bit presumptive that everyone will be happy to go along with this.

    I think this is too deep of an analysis personally though. The big ignorant mob with strength in numbers is more likely the reason here imo.


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    #1132
    Yakov P. Golyadkin
    Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Haha. Crypto-racists... Racists that keep their racism hidden.

    Now that's a fine workaround for having zero evidence of someone being racist but having the uncontrollable urge to label them a racist anyway.

    "You are a racist"

    ,"No I'm not, can you show any evidence I am?"

    "No because you keep it hidden. You are a crypro-racist."

    Deliberately chosen.


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    #1133
    Yakov P. Golyadkin
    Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'll leave this part to the mods.

    Snowflake.


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    #1134
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    This is why I've been pointing out strawman arguments...

    You're not wrong there, friend.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Strawman argument and getting personal. Please stop.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Strawman argument. We aren't talking about this.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Strawman argument. I never said it was about racism in Ireland.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Strawman argument again.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Strawman argument. Try harder.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Stop with the classic strawman arguments please.
    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Strawman argument. Nobody taking the knee thinks they will wipe out racism.

    :pac::pac::pac:


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    #1135
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    It delays the start of the game which is disruptive. Yes it's only a short interlude but it's a bit presumptive that everyone will be happy to go along with this.

    I think this is too deep of an analysis personally though. The big ignorant mob with strength in numbers is more likely the reason here imo.
    Fans boo all manner of things at games. Yes it could be an issue with the gesture, just as it could be annoyance with the delay or even just a way of winding people up.


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    #1136
    [Deleted User]
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    MarkEadie wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong here klaz but haven't you previously said that you are setting up an anti immigration party in Ireland? I'm sure I can find the posts by searching but can't quite recall the specifics. I believe you were genuinely trying to start an anti immigration party. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oh, for God's sake.

    On the Multiculturalism in Ireland thread, a number of posters (perhaps 5 of the regular posters) spoke about the need to create a party which was independent of the established politicians, which could tackle the issues of immigration and multiculturalism, while also tackling the funding/influence of the NGOs. A few of the posters involved in that discussion, suggested that I be part of such a party because of the manner of my posts, and general interest on the topic. For my own part, I added, perhaps three posts to that discussion... and supported the idea (in thanking posts) that others would form such a party. In any case, it was never taken seriously by the posters involved.

    You want to make this into something it's not. Just as you've popped into the Multiculturalism thread a few times to make soundbite statements, and disappeared when you were challenged on them. Come back to the Multiculturalism thread, and discuss this **** there. It has zero relevance on this thread.

    I have glossed over nothing. You have made inaccurate, and vague statements. That's it. You're wrong. Get over it. If you actually want to discuss this, I'll do so on the appropriate thread, but I'd like to see you quote me directly, and discuss what was written, as opposed to what you think happened. (Especially, since you weren't part of the original discussion, didn't object to it, nor seek to counter anything that was said. )
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Luckily for Mark, Klaz pretty much confirmed that what he was saying was pretty much true.

    I'm sorry? How did you gleam from klaz's response that Klaz had previously stated he was setting up an anti immigration party?
    I believe you were genuinely trying to start an anti immigration party.
    A few of the posters involved in that discussion, suggested that I be part of such a party because of the manner of my posts, and general interest on the topic. For my own part, I added, perhaps three posts to that discussion... and supported the idea (in thanking posts) that others would form such a party. In any case, it was never taken seriously by the posters involved.

    Now Mr stuffins, does klaz's response confirm he was genuinely setting up an anti immigration policy?

    I see you added "pretty much" twice as a disclaimer.

    It's pretty bad form to purposely misrepresent people when it's patently not true. The fact that klaz has offered to clarify and further discuss this matter in the appropriate thread is also telling that he is not arguing in bad faith.

    This has happened a lot on this thread.


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    #1137
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »
    Deliberately chosen.

    That was my point. You used crypto-racists because you are clearly unable to assert proof of racism.


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    #1138
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Deleted User wrote: »

    I see you added "pretty much" twice as a disclaimer.

    Mark wasn't far off


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    #1139
    Yakov P. Golyadkin
    Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That was my point. You used crypto-racists because you are clearly unable to assert proof of racism.

    That was my point. I used crypto-racists because I am clearly unable to assert proof of racism.

    What now?

    Bring back the good old days when the goose steppers were honest.


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    #1140
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »
    That was my point. I used crypto-racists because I am clearly unable to assert proof of racism.

    What now?

    Bring back the good old days when the goose steppers were honest.

    It all feels like a giant rich kid troll project..

    Which it is


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    #1141
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Mark wasn't far off

    Last point on this, mark made the assertion that klaz was genuinely setting up an anti immigration party. He isn't.

    That's pretty far off.

    Anyway as klaz requested, this issue is not suited to this thread, other than showing an example of people pushing a false accusation against someone else to suit their own ends (deligitimising their position unfairly) which has been done on numerous occasions on this thread.


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