Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

MrStuffins

Deleted User wrote: »

The confusing part is that they decided to continue to use a gesture that is synonymous with BLM, after months of doing the same gesture under the banner of BLM, wearing jerseys emblazoned with Black Lives Matter, with the television station having BLM logos on the screen and people are now seemingly incapable of understanding how it is seen as a BLM friendly (at best) gesture.

One paragraph.

Five BLM references.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Strange that you weren't aware of this until you had to Google it though eh?

Must have been a world-stopping scandal!

It does look strange doesn't it.

People substantiating their opinions with evidence.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

One paragraph.

Five BLM references.

I do tend to make reference to the subject I talk about. I do try not to deflect and avoid the topic. Does that seem odd to you?

I'm anti BLM just for clarity.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

There are many examples of players and whole teams who haven't knelt, as highlighted in this thread earlier.

The fact that they're not in the forefront of your mind when you posted this tells you everything you need to know.

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/56126928

Some leading footballers to stop taking a knee

I think you'll find he was actually substantiating and confirming MY opinion, after I pulled him up on his inference that there would be some sort of witch hunt if someone decided to stop doing it.

Multiple players did and he was unaware.......... which is the point! No witch hunt, people just got on with it. And nobody called Wilfried Zaha racist.

zom

BringBackMick wrote: »

Anybody could think the decision to take the knee against Hungary was purely based on a dislike for the conservative populist government in place in Hungary.

Sport got EXTREMELY POLITICAL in recent years and it would be best for everyone to stop watching it anymore.

JimmyVik

zom wrote: »

Sport got EXTREMELY POLITICAL in recent years and it would be best for everyone to stop watching it anymore.

I blame social media.

BBDBB

ok, well it seems we got that all sorted in the nick of time

now, next on the agenda...."Come on, Is murder all that bad really?"

Go

MrStuffins

Omackeral wrote: »

I wouldn’t boo the knee nor would I want to take the knee. A middle ground, imagine that.. What I would do is just continue on as I do in my daily life treating any team-mates, colleagues, friends, customers, members of the public the exact same as each other, regardless of skin colour. Probably makes me stupid or racist according to some in here.

So far (just off the top of my head, there are many more examples) on this thread there have been claims that:

Led Ferdinand has been called racist - No evidence.

Wilf Zaha called racist - No evidence

Sky Sports News are calling whole football teams racist - No evidence

Now there's a claim above that people who would have no feeling one way or another would be called racist on this thread. And there is no evidence of this either. Nobody is calling you racist for not booing.


There's a weird paranoia amongst a certain section of Boards.ie that everyone is out to get them, call them racist and BLM are under their beds. It's all in your head. Either that or you're just making things up.

Billy Mays

Hector Savage wrote: »

Utter nonsense, it depresses me that this twaddle got so many thanks.

The Kick it out campaign has been around for decades, that has support, that is actually about stamping out racism in the game.

BLM are a terror group that have gained foothold over a police brutality incident in the US - zero evidence that Floyd's murder was race related.

I would boo taking the knee purely because BLM have been burning buildings, are themselves racist (anti white is racism too believe it or not) - and have chanted for police to be killed.

Again, make the Kick it Out campaign more visible if they want to show their support for anti racists movements, not this BLM divisive ****e.

The Kick It Out campaign you say...

https://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-out-and-fsa-call-on-england-fans-to-applaud-players-taking-the-knee

Hector Savage

Deleted User wrote: »

My opinion too.

If they did a handshake in the tunnel with sky putting a banner saying "end discrimination" it would be much more widely accepted and acknowledged than using a gesture which is associated with a highly contentious group of thugs/activists

100% this ^^

extra gravy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they did a handshake in the tunnel with sky putting a banner saying "end discrimination" it would be much more widely accepted and acknowledged

Taking the knee is widely accepted and acknowledged, you are in the minority that doesn't accept it. Why should they change their approach to appease you?

MrStuffins

BBDBB wrote: »

ok, well it seems we got that all sorted in the nick of time

now, next on the agenda...."Come on, Is murder all that bad really?"

Go

Queue the same 6-7 posters answering this using multiple BLM references, that murder is in support of "radical terrorism", which BLM invented and that the founder of BLM, a lad called Karl Marx personally saw to it that his followers invented murder.

Hector Savage

Billy Mays wrote: »

The Kick It Out campaign you say...

https://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-out-and-fsa-call-on-england-fans-to-applaud-players-taking-the-knee

All optics they've been taking in by it as it's politicized now and corporations too are on board.

Fr D Maugire

MrStuffins wrote: »

So far (just off the top of my head, there are many more examples) on this thread there have been claims that:

Led Ferdinand has been called racist - No evidence.

Wilf Zaha called racist - No evidence

Sky Sports News are calling whole football teams racist - No evidence

Now there's a claim above that people who would have no feeling one way or another would be called racist on this thread. And there is no evidence of this either. Nobody is calling you racist for not booing.


There's a weird paranoia amongst a certain section of Boards.ie that everyone is out to get them, call them racist and BLM are under their beds. It's all in your head. Either that or you're just making things up.

It has been inferred several times that anyone who objects to these protests or thinks them pointless is racist or has an agenda.

We even had one poster who uncategorically stated that if you did not support BLM/Kneeling you were either racist or corrupted by right wing media and therefore stupid or racist.

tailorspy

tailorspy wrote: »

SERIOUSLY??? Pot, kettle, black!

Ahem..... I think you'll find it's pot, kettle, of colour.

MrStuffins

tailorspy wrote: »

SERIOUSLY???

Yes, some people just get obsessed by stuff.

Like how, and i've just checked, 75% of your posts on this thread have been quoting me.

Some people just let others live rent-free in their head. It's unhealthy!

archfi

Hector Savage wrote: »

All optics they've been taking in by it as it's politicized now and corporations too are on board.

From that statement:
"The boos are particularly disappointing given that just 20 months ago England fans took a strong stance against racism - backing their players during an onslaught of racist abuse directed at every black England player from the Bulgarian crowd in Sofia. We would urge everyone to show solidarity once more by supporting the team, supporting the players and supporting the knee.”

That just highlights and confirms the divisiveness of this foolish gesture.
And I'll say it again, Bulgaria 2019 was the watershed moment that could have actually resulted in the biggest victory over racsim in football but Southgate, the FA and the players bottled it.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Queue the same 6-7 posters answering this using multiple BLM references, that murder is in support of "radical terrorism", which BLM invented and that the founder of BLM, a lad called Karl Marx personally saw to it that his followers invented murder.

Hate to be nitpicking, but it's "cue".

Why would you be so condescending towards those who oppose BLM?

Can you not even acknowledge that the organisation/movement have been responsible for incredible division between people of all races and have directly contributed to deaths and destruction of property?

MrStuffins

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

It has been inferred several times that anyone who objects to these protests or thinks them pointless is racist or has an agenda.

The poster wasn't talking about objecting.

Omackeral wrote: »

A middle ground, imagine that..

Probably makes me stupid or racist according to some in here.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Now there's a claim above that people who would have no feeling one way or another would be called racist on this thread. And there is no evidence of this either. Nobody is calling you racist for not booing.

No mention of objecting. If you're going to try answer something, at least have an idea as to what you're answering.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yes, some people just get obsessed by stuff.

Like how, and i've just checked, 75% of your posts on this thread have been quoting me.

Some people just let others live rent-free in their head. It's unhealthy!

It's amazing that you can take the time to deep dive into those statistics and yet fail to provide proof when questioned about accusations.

And most people are hugely concerned and interested in the topic of racism, obsessed isn't really applicable

Hector Savage

archfi wrote: »

From that statement:
"The boos are particularly disappointing given that just 20 months ago England fans took a strong stance against racism - backing their players during an onslaught of racist abuse directed at every black England player from the Bulgarian crowd in Sofia. We would urge everyone to show solidarity once more by supporting the team, supporting the players and supporting the knee.”

That just highlights and confirms the divisiveness of this foolish gesture.
And I'll say it again, Bulgaria 2019 was the watershed moment that could have actually resulted in the biggest victory over racsim in football but Southgate, the FA and the players bottled it.

And fair play to that stance , I support it.

But why should they now allign themselves with an organization that went worldwide after a police brutality killing - again was it racially motivated ?
- that has since shown themselves to be racist, have caused millions in damage during their "protests" , you can say that the taking the knee is not related to BLM that it is now purely about being against racism of any kind, but that link can't be shaken off, they need to do something else to get the fans support.

Fann Linn

New to this thread but why are Palestinian flags or other political/Social signs or symbols outlawed by UEFA/FIFA and yet kneeling gets a bye?

MrStuffins

Deleted User wrote: »

It's amazing that you can take the time to deep dive into those statistics and yet fail to provide proof when questioned about accusations.

Apologies if i've done this. I can try to clear this up now if you wish? Please highlight the questions and I will do so.

Fr D Maugire

MrStuffins wrote: »

The poster wasn't talking about objecting.





No mention of objecting. If you're going to try answer something, at least have an idea as to what you're answering.

You do not have to boo to object or disagree with these protests. I would not boo the kneeling, but I object to sports being used as political vehicles.

EmmetSpiceland

An interesting article on the subject:

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/david-baddiel-pm-playing-culture-war-game-over-support-for-england-team-40526664.html

“Players have rejected it is a political gesture and said the move is done to reinforce the message that racism and discrimination will not be tolerated.”

“A lot of the players have suffered racism. It’s a really good statement essentially, and we should just support them in doing it.”

archfi

Hector Savage wrote: »

And fair play to that stance , I support it.

But why should they now allign themselves with an organization that went worldwide after a police brutality killing - again was it racially motivated ?
- that has since shown themselves to be racist, have caused millions in damage during their "protests" , you can say that the taking the knee is not related to BLM that it is now purely about being against racism of any kind, but that link can't be shaken off, they need to do something else to get the fans support.

I'm agreeing with you.
I'm highlighting the fact the vast majority of football supporters are behind the campaign to root out racism at games as highlighted by the Kick It Out statement meant to support the divisive gesture now employed while acknowledging the greatest show against racism recently was in Bulgaria 2019 - so what has changed? The viscerally subservient virtuos shíte that is 'bending/taking the knee' and it's connotations has.

Maybe crosswires?

MrStuffins

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

You do not have to boo to object or disagree with these protests. I would not boo the kneeling, but I object to sports being used as political vehicles.

Good for you.

I have no idea what that has to do with what I was replying to the poster about. He was talking about taking a middle ground, getting on with life and being called a racist for doing so.

He has absolutely no evidence of this!

MrStuffins

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

An interesting article on the subject:

https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/david-baddiel-pm-playing-culture-war-game-over-support-for-england-team-40526664.html

“Players have rejected it is a political gesture and said the move is done to reinforce the message that racism and discrimination will not be tolerated.”

“A lot of the players have suffered racism. It’s a really good statement essentially, and we should just support them in doing it.”

Cue tying it back around to BLM in 5.......4.......3........

Hector Savage

6 wrote: »

It seems to be the go to argument against the gesture.

Basically, people aren't willing to own their views.

I'd respect someone's opinion more if they admitted they didn't actually like racism being highlighted. However, you'll see people all over social media cowardly not owning their opinion.

I bet you're the type that would heavily support "hate speech" legislation too ...

Hector Savage

MrStuffins wrote: »

Cue tying it back around to BLM in 5.......4.......3........

But it is connected to it, no matter how many little jokes you use to try and gaslight, it's still connected heavily to BLM.