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Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

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    #1412
    MarkEadie
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Twisting? I've asked for proof of the things being thrown around on the thread and not one person has been able to back any of it up.



    And now you've claimed that this discourse was present without the knee-taking, but can't back yourself up when I asked you to be specific.

    No twisting needed. Your post was inaccurate and you got called on it


    Good Post. You've gone above and beyond there in providing actual examples. That's all you can do really. As you said, I would also like to see proof of these accusations, if it could be shown.


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    #1413
    kildare lad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Why do you keep peddling this lie that BLM were responsible for wanton death and destruction?

    "The Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters."

    3.7% of protest events were associated with property damage or vandalism (including damages by persons not involved in the actual demonstration); and protesters or bystanders were injured or killed in 1.6% of events."

    From research carried out by the Harvard Radcliffe Institute but I supposed they're too "lefty" for you.

    2 billion dollars worth of damage in the rioting , shootings up in every major city . An extra 1000 people murdered compared to the previous year , most victims being black btw. Violent crime up across the country , Police and community relations at an all time low . Cops leaving the force due to low morale . BLM has done nothing except create a massive divide between communites and the police which, ironically enough, ends up with more young black men dead . At least one of the BLM leaders got a few mansions in white neighborhoods out of it .


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    #1414
    MarkEadie
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's fine. He's a troll, constantly twisting posts, and seeking to push buttons. I've ignored him.

    Done and done.


    I think you've been too harsh here but the ignore button is there for a reason and if it makes the forum more harmonious then it's understandable.


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    #1415
    NoLuckLarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭NoLuckLarry


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Not racist, but certainly ambivalent or indifferent and probably selfish if not indeed stupid.

    How about if some of your team mates had been targeted for the colour of their skin?

    Would you join in the final huddle pysching each other up before leaving the dressing room and shout things like 'Let's go lads, we're all in this together' or 'we're a team's but add at the end, 'but not you guys'?

    Is that not what you would be doing in such an instance for fear of being accused of being 'woke' or something?

    His stance is completely fine, not everybody needs to share your white knight complex when it comes to this issue. Being indifferent to it is completely acceptable.


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    #1416
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    MarkEadie wrote: »
    I think you've been too harsh here but the ignore button is there for a reason and if it makes the forum more harmonious then it's understandable.

    To me, it's obvious that he was caught up in his own rubbish.

    He tried to claim that this level of discourse was happening anyway, with or without the knee taking.

    That is blatantly untrue. When I asked him to show me another thread like this one, an actual example of the discourse he claims was present before, he realised he couldn't and chose to stick his fingers in his ears.


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    #1417
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I suppose you think that the "insurrection" was ok too?

    I mean, that was mostly peaceful.

    Was it? Which part was peaceful? You should probably tell the FBI, I'm sure they'll rush to take this down from their most wanted page:

    "The FBI is seeking the public’s assistance in identifying individuals who made unlawful entry into the U.S. Capitol building and committed various other alleged criminal violations, such as destruction of property, assaulting law enforcement personnel, targeting members of the media for assault, and other unlawful conduct, on January 6, 2021, in Washington, D.C."


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    #1418
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    NoLuckLarry wrote: »
    His stance is completely fine, not everybody needs to share your white knight complex when it comes to this issue. Being indifferent to it is completely acceptable.

    Showing solidarity with team mates is 'white knighting' now but leaving them to be abused is completely fine?

    Is that what you are saying?


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    #1419
    NoLuckLarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭NoLuckLarry


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Showing solidarity with team mates is 'white knighting' now but leaving them to be abused is completely fine?

    Is that what you are saying?

    Admonishing him for not jumping in to sort perceived injustices that "might" happen is white knighting. The posters stance is that he treats everyone equally, which is fine in my view don't know what else you want from him.


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    #1420
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    BuT tHe InSuRrEcTiOn


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    #1421
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You've already failed on this pal, when you presented a post calling someone racist for OPPOSSING taking the knee as proof that someone is being called racist for not having one stance or the other.

    But since you asked, i'll give you another go.



    There are many other options but we'll kick off with these ones.

    Some Neck. Was a nice fast Ninja delete of a post like half an hour ago. Should have screen grabbed it. Saying something like. "how is booing taking the knee not Racist."


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    #1422
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    elvui wrote: »
    Some Neck. Was a nice fast Ninja delete of a post like half an hour ago. Should have screen grabbed it. Saying something like. "how is booing taking the knee not Racist."

    More lies that won't be backed up.

    And......... did you just re-reg to have a go at me? That's weird!


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    #1423
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    NoLuckLarry wrote: »
    Admonishing him for not jumping in to sort perceived injustices that "might" happen is white knighting. The posters stance is that he treats everyone equally, which is fine in my view don't know what else you want from him.

    FFS.
    Are we not allowed respond to posts now? Is that how this discussion board should work in your view?

    The posters stance is that he would treat his team mates fairly but wouldn't support them publicly. That's what he said. Can that not be pointed out?

    I don't want anything from him, he contributed here, we are entitled to respond.


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    #1424
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    More lies that won't be backed up.

    And......... did you just re-reg to have a go at me? That's weird!

    is it untrue ?


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    #1425
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    More lies that won't be backed up.

    And......... did you just re-reg to have a go at me? That's weird!

    Lol.
    Will probably ask later 'show evidence that I've been racist?'

    Which account mate? :rolleyes:


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    #1426
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    elvui wrote: »
    is it untrue ?

    Yes.


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    #1427
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Yes.

    I'm sure the mods can review deleted posts. So I will leave it there.


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    #1428
    NoLuckLarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭NoLuckLarry


    Tell me how wrote: »
    FFS.
    Are we not allowed respond to posts now? Is that how this discussion board should work in your view?

    The posters stance is that he would treat his team mates fairly but wouldn't support them publicly. That's what he said. Can that not be pointed out?

    I don't want anything from him, he contributed here, we are entitled to respond.

    I think his post was fairly straightforward, he's not against taking a knee but he's not going to do it himself because morally, he takes everyone at the same value. Then you jump in and accuse him of being "selfish" and arrange these scenarios with a "you really wouldn't do this if this happened??!!" gotcha.

    You are literally taking what he said and twisting it in to an attack because you perceive his lack of interest in this nonsense gesture to mean he would turn a blind eye to people being racially abused. It's twitter logic....


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    #1429
    Fr D Maugire
    Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You've already failed on this pal, when you presented a post calling someone racist for OPPOSSING taking the knee as proof that someone is being called racist for not having one stance or the other.

    But since you asked, i'll give you another go.



    There are many other options but we'll kick off with these ones.

    Dude, the poster said they would not want to take the knee. That is not a neutral position. You either agree with taking the knee, in which case you would have no problem kneeling it or you disagree and do not take the knee. If you are neutral you say I have no opinion on taking the knee.


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    #1430
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Was it? Which part was peaceful? You should probably tell the FBI, I'm sure they'll rush to take this down from their most wanted page:

    "The FBI is seeking the public’s assistance in identifying individuals who made unlawful entry into the U.S. Capitol building and committed various other alleged criminal violations, such as destruction of property, assaulting law enforcement personnel, targeting members of the media for assault, and other unlawful conduct, on January 6, 2021, in Washington, D.C."

    The amount of people present to the amount of people who commited crimes.


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    #1431
    Fr D Maugire
    Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Not racist, but certainly ambivalent or indifferent and probably selfish if not indeed stupid.

    How about if some of your team mates had been targeted for the colour of their skin?

    Would you join in the final huddle pysching each other up before leaving the dressing room and shout things like 'Let's go lads, we're all in this together' or 'we're a team's but add at the end, 'but not you guys'?

    Is that not what you would be doing in such an instance for fear of being accused of being 'woke' or something?

    This is a genuine question. Do you have any close friends who are actually from minority backgrounds? If so, where?


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    #1432
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Fr D Maugire wrote: »
    Dude, the poster said they would not want to take the knee. That is not a neutral position.

    Really?
    Omackeral wrote: »
    I wouldn’t boo the knee nor would I want to take the knee. A middle ground, imagine that..

    Sounds like a neutral position to me.

    Now, unless you're his lawyer, i'm not sure why you keep talking for him. Give it up.


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    #1433
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    NoLuckLarry wrote: »
    I think his post was fairly straightforward, he's not against taking a knee but he's not going to do it himself because morally, he takes everyone at the same value. Then you jump in and accuse him of being "selfish" and arrange these scenarios with a "you really wouldn't do this if this happened??!!" gotcha.

    You are literally taking what he said and twisting it in to an attack     because you perceive his lack of interest in this nonsense gesture to mean he would turn a blind eye to people being racially abused. It's twitter logic....

    He brought team mates in to it, I responded as to what that would really look like.

    How else am I supposed to perceive something other than how he said it? There's some nonsense going around alright.


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    #1434
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,625 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The amount of people present to the amount of people who commited crimes.

    Does this logic not apply to the BLM protests as well or just when it suits you?


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    #1435
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Does this logic not apply to the BLM protests as well or just when it suits you?

    I think this is what they call in football..... a Slam Dunk!


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    #1436
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ulster wrote: »
    I don't understand why the Republic of Ireland team have to take the knee. Irish history/current life has nothing to do with enslaving Africans or the Black Lives Matter protests/issues in America.

    The Hungarians were right to boo the Irish team. They're a disgrace for bringing a foreign political problem to a friendly international.
    Agreed.


    This is not an Irish issue and we have nothing to do with it. Arguably we're on the side of the slaves moreso than the slaveholders given our history.


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    #1437
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Not racist, but certainly ambivalent or indifferent and probably selfish if not indeed stupid.

    How about if some of your team mates had been targeted for the colour of their skin?

    Would you join in the final huddle pysching each other up before leaving the dressing room and shout things like 'Let's go lads, we're all in this together' or 'we're a team's but add at the end, 'but not you guys'?

    Is that not what you would be doing in such an instance for fear of being accused of being 'woke' or something?

    It's that kind of take which says it all really.

    Treating people as equal is not enough for you.

    Do you encounter much racism in your daily life?


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    #1438
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Fr D Maugire wrote: »
    This is a genuine question. Do you have any close friends who are actually from minority backgrounds? If so, where?

    Yes. Middle East, Asia, America.

    Genuine question, why do you ask?


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    #1439
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,999 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Does this logic not apply to the BLM protests as well or just when it suits you?


    You're allowed burn things when you're on the left.


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    #1440
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What has been bandied about that you need proof of?
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You've already failed on this pal, when you presented a post calling someone racist for OPPOSSING taking the knee as proof that someone is being called racist for not having one stance or the other.

    But since you asked, i'll give you another go.



    There are many other options but we'll kick off with these ones.

    How's the proof-finding going? Find anything yet?


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    #1441
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Does this logic not apply to the BLM protests as well or just when it suits you?
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I think this is what they call in football..... a Slam Dunk!

    Nawwww.. bless.

    My whole point was that you guys were saying that BLM were mostly peaceful and shouldn't be tarred as a bad thing.

    The insurrection was equally peaceful and has been lauded as one of the worst things to happen in America.

    My opinion is both the insurrection and BLM were horrible movements full of thugs and violence (BLM even more so)

    Do you agree?


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