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Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

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    #1532
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    elvui wrote: »
    I voted for SSM but doubt that will win me any points :P

    So did I. And Repeal the 8th. But I’m intolerant and stupid so….


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    #1533
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I’m there to play football. Anyone racially abuses anyone on the pitch, they’ll be getting a nice rake of the studs down the back of the legs.

    So you're saying racism should be met with violence?


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    #1534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So England has a problem with casual racism you say?

    If only someone started a campaign to highlight this................ :pac:

    Quick, take a knee.

    Fixed it.


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    #1535
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you're saying racism should be met with violence?

    So you’re saying….

    Ha ha can’t win can ya. A late tackle is all it is.


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    #1536
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    You have already said it yourself that taking the knee makes a difference!

    Stepping stone me eye people will only laugh at it in years to come. And it will be only the same groups self congratulating each other.

    As John Barnes said football cannot solve the problems of racism

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/american-football/ex-england-star-john-barnes-says-football-cant-solve-racism/ar-AAKTFcv

    Barnes said:

    'I'm 100% behind Gareth to try to win the euros but he doesn't understand how complex racism is and solutions are even more complicated and he and the team are being used by the system to DEFLECT from REAL inequality in the inner cities by SOLELY focusing and concentrating on football.'

    He also reiterated his support for Wilfried Zaha, the Crystal Palace and Ivory Coast winger, who was the first in the Premier League not to make the gesture, insisting it had become 'degrading' and had lost all meaning.

    Barnes added: 'If Wilfried Zaha played for England and decided not to take the knee, would Southgate then say we won't take the knee and we’ll support him?

    'What does GARET    H think is the right thing to do? Take the knee, don't take the knee, or just support what the players want?'


    But god bless you naivety and idealism. You have really brought into it.
    I wonder how long it will take you to realise that you have been sold a pup?

    Hopefully longer then it'll take you to realise in order for things to change, there has to be call for change.


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    #1537
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you're saying racism should be met with violence?

    Lol, you are opposing racist footballers getting tackled extra hard.

    I suppose he should just kneel in front of him?


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    #1538
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Hopefully longer then it'll take you to realise in order for things to change, there has to be call for change.

    Why did the call to stop Racism start this week or something ? I knew about it in the 70s.


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    #1539
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you're saying racism should be met with violence?

    As I said, a late tackle. Just happens sometimes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scIgmkZorvo


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    #1540
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I’m there to play football. Anyone racially abuses anyone on the pitch, they’ll be getting a nice rake of the studs down the back of the legs.

    Definitely screen writing for Dream Team. Or maybe Mean Machine.


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    #1541
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Definitely screen writing for Dream Team. Or maybe Mean Machine.

    Or reality. Have you played football?


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    #1542
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    So none of the take a knee ppl like my idea of a donation bucket. You can still video your self donating for the fb page or what ever.


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    #1543
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Lol, you are opposing racist footballers getting tackled extra hard.

    I suppose he should just kneel in front of him?

    So you advocate using violence to combat racism, but then accuse BLM of it and criticise them got it.

    Wish it was the first time I could say you've shown hypocritical opinions when it suits but....


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    #1544
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you're saying racism should be met with violence?

    Things like that happen on a football pitch, people realitate. Some like Barnes chose to go the other way and score a goal.

    Either way has lot more impact than 'taking the knee' it is practical.

    The time Barnes flicked a Banana away or ate a Banana and laughed he won the crowd round was his approach.

    You seem to be one of these 'quare hawk idealists' fair enough that is your thing. But it is devoid of practical realities. It is left up to others to make real change and a difference. Governments, community youth groups and so on.

    Gullit has suggested a revolution on the racism issue at the other end of the spectrum

    https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2020-06-03-ruud-gullit-is-shocked-by-his-own-thoughts-on-combating-racism.SJXPH1pNnU.html

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1545
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users Posts: 31,728 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Omackeral wrote: »
    So you’re saying….

    Ha ha can’t win can ya. A late tackle is all it is.

    It’s not a great solution more broadly speaking though… you get sent off and the racist fella’s team probably win the game..

    Maybe it’s a good analogy for how the world has actually tended to work though. The victim lashes back out after sustained abuse, and is then instantly vilified and punished for their actions, while the broader victimisers and their cohorts actually benefit from the racism in the long run. Do it enough times, probably win the league by default!


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    #1546
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you advocate using violence to combat racism, but then accuse BLM of it and criticise them got it.

    Wish it was the first time I could say you've shown hypocritical opinions when it suits but....

    Problem is one is a target for being a racist. The other group goes around harassing and shouting and randomers having lunch.


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    #1547
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Definitely screen writing for Dream Team. Or maybe Mean Machine.

    Weren't you giving stick to posters before who said they would report a racist incident to the Gardaí instead of entering a physical altercation, now you've flip flopped back the other way when a poster said he/she would do something physically you rubbish it as just pub talk.
    There's no answer really is there that would satisfy you ?


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    #1548
    Rothko
    Registered Users Posts: 12,891 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No need to apologise. It's not your fault you can't tell the difference between a comment and a question, and the fact that you completely missed the context in which the question was asked.

    No hard feelings

    Is it possible for you to reply to someone without making a snide comment?


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    #1549
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Weren't you giving stick to posters before who said they would report a racist incident to the Gardaí instead of entering a physical altercation, now you've flip flopped back the other way when a poster said he/she would do something physically you rubbish it as just pub talk.
    There's no answer really is there that would satisfy you ?

    It's like them people in the night club. You looking at my GF. Nope
    Why she not good enough to look at. just looking for a fight.


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    #1550
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I see the usual suspects are trying to derail the thread with their grossly disengenuous posting.

    Thomas Sowell is a great man, he once said
    The word "racism" is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything — and demanding evidence makes you a "racist."
    and also
    If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.


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    #1551
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Weren't you giving stick to posters before who said they would report a racist incident to the Gardaí instead of entering a physical altercation, now you've flip flopped back the other way when a poster said he/she would do something physically you rubbish it as just pub talk.
    There's no answer really is there that would satisfy you ?

    Link please.


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    #1552
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    elvui wrote: »
    Problem is one is a target for being a racist. The other group goes around harassing and shouting and randomers having lunch.

    So you agree racism should be met with violence too? Interesting.

    Would be good to see a poll on this.


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    #1553
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you agree racism should be met with violence too? Interesting.

    Would be good to see a poll on this.

    No I was explaining the train of thought as I took it from the text written.


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    #1554
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So you advocate using violence to combat racism, but then accuse BLM of it and criticise them got it.

    Wish it was the first time I could say you've shown hypocritical opinions when it suits but....

    If someone is racially abusing a footballer and gets tackled extra hard, I wouldn't cry about it.

    It's actually embarrassing that you would draw even the slimmest of parallels between going in hard on a player to what BLM did to cities around the world.

    I know I accused you of a giant leap before, but that's next level ****.

    Honestly, re-read what you said.

    You think that going in hard on a player is what I consider combatting racism? And advocating violence?

    Hahahaha.


    You've obviously not played football (or combatted violence other than the occasional lunge)


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    #1555
    Tell me how
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    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    I see the usual suspects are trying to derail the thread with their grossly disengenuous posting.

    Thomas Sowell is a great man, he once said


    and also

    I prefer James Baldwin to Thomas Sowell;

    'Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.'


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    #1556
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    elvui wrote: »
    No I was explaining the train of thought as I took it from the text written.

    No, you were excusing one and not the other based on fictitious scenarios.

    I'm sure other posters don't need you explaining their words for them


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    #1557
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I prefer James Baldwin to Thomas Sowell;

    'Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.'

    Aye that's why laws and that have been created to make Racism illegal in most of Europe. Everyone knows it is. And Racist will not stop so what else can be done ? It's like consent classes. No normal person wakes up and thinks today I'm going to molest someone. Where as Molesters will and take no notice.


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    #1558
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If someone is racially abusing a footballer and gets tackled extra hard, I wouldn't cry about it.

    Exactly what I thought you were saying. You will advocate for violence to combat racism when it suits you, but shriek abbot it when it goes against your politics.

    Sound!


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    #1559
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No, you were excusing one and not the other based on fictitious scenarios.

    I'm sure other posters don't need you explaining their words for them

    The boot scenario is fictitious. the BLM shouting at randomers eating is not.


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    #1560
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Link please.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    If your friend was experiencing racist abuse in public, you wouldn't back them up?
    elvui wrote: »
    I would call the Police.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    So, if they were, for arguments sake, just pulling something from thin air here, if they were a footballer, and let's just say, they were targeted with abuse from the stands as they were playing? Would you support them publicly then? Or stay invisible and silent for fear, perish the thought, you'd be accused of grandstanding.
    elvui wrote: »
    I doubt they would want the opinion of some footballers random friend on sky news. I would support them obviously but would be privately.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    Jesus. A true friend.
    elvui wrote: »
    i.e. privately with them.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    Oh that's much better. I'm sure when you were a kid at school and a friend was being bullied, they'd have been ok with you standing silently to the side as long as you whispered to them on the bus on the way home that you thought it was wrong.

    Then when a poster said they would get involved physically if the event happened in a football match you called them a pub talker.


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    #1561
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If someone is racially abusing a footballer and gets tackled extra hard, I wouldn't cry about it.

    It's actually embarrassing that you would draw even the slimmest of parallels between going in hard on a player to what BLM did to cities around the world.

    I know I accused you of a giant leap before, but that's next level ****.

    Honestly, re-read what you said.

    You think that going in hard on a player is what I consider combatting racism? And advocating violence?

    Hahahaha.


    You've obviously not played football (or combatted violence other than the occasional lunge)

    So do a Cantona so and leap feet first in to the crowd? Or has the circumstance shifted to support Omackerals contribution to suggest those being racist are always on the pitch?

    WTF has whether or not someone has played football got to do with this discussion or are you indeed suggesting that a physical response is appropriate to having been racially targeted.


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