Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

MrStuffins

elvui wrote: »

The boot scenario is fictitious. the BLM shouting at randomers eating is not.

So you agree on the main point. That's the most important thing. Good of you to admit it

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WrenBoy wrote: »

Then when a poster said they would get involved physically if the event happened in a football match you called them a pub talker.

Nice attempt but you are wrong.

I was giving them stick for only being willing to support them privately. I never suggested they shouldn't go to the gardai or get involved in a physical altercation.

elvui

MrStuffins wrote: »

So you agree on the main point. That's the most important thing. Good of you to admit it

Show where I agreed with Violence. I will wait. I do recall being mocked for not escalating a racist confrontation by calling the police.

elvui

Tell me how wrote: »

Nice attempt but you are wrong.

I was giving them stick for only being willing to support them privately. I never suggested they shouldn't go to the gardai or get involved in a physical altercation.

After calling the police that is the best support for that situation do you not agree ?

Fr D Maugire

MrStuffins wrote: »

So England has a problem with casual racism you say?

If only someone started a campaign to highlight this................ :pac:

It was a minor, minor irritant that happened very occasionally and most of the time was so laughable, it was more funny than offensive.

I am sure most Irish experienced similar in England, and undoubtedly if Irish people were super sensitive and had a constantly re-enforced victim mentality, it could indeed have been turned into a big issue, but most Irish just get on with their lives ang ignore the ****.

gormdubhgorm

MrStuffins wrote: »

No need to apologise. It's not your fault you can't tell the difference between a comment and a question, and the fact that you completely missed the context in which the question was asked.

No hard feelings

Rothko wrote: »

Is it possible for you to reply to someone without making a snide comment?

In fairness now the poster in question, may have been taking the 'Jesus approach' and neither fully commenting nor questioning. But posting rhetorically.

Let he is who is without sin cast the first stone?

That type of thing! Not sure it works on a message board though as it tends to be one way.

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Tell me how wrote: »

So do a Cantona so and leap feet first in to the crowd? Or has the circumstance shifted to support Omackerals contribution to suggest those being racist are always on the pitch?

WTF has whether or not someone has played football got to do with this discussion or are you indeed suggesting that a physical response is appropriate to having been racially targeted.

Well well well, let's bring it to extremes so.

I'd have no bother if someone got a late tackle if he was mouthing off. Whether it be racist abuse, general abuse or even if he was grandstanding as a player. In the context of a football match, it's appropriate.

That's how football is played. I'm not advocating it as a solution to racism as much as you and Mr stuffings would like to portray it. (I'm still giggling a little about mr stuffings comparing a late tackle to BLM violence as if they are in any way similar)

Retr0gamer

Some people here just don't understand that BLM isn't an organization. There's organisations taking the name of BLM the same what the nazis took the name of socialist. People aren't taking the knee to support the charlatan BLM organisations. To say so is just wrong. Once you divorce arguments from that right wing propaganda then those arguments fall apart and reveal themselves for the racist parroting that they are.

You might day you aren't racist, or I'm not racist. But what you are doing is repeating racist rhetoric

Back In Cagie Wagie

I actually wanted Hungary to win for booing the kneeling Irish twats.

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tailorspy wrote: »

Nope. Never. I mean their comments will be devoid of lots of things, like facts, coherency, self-awareness, understanding, empathy, knowledge of the real world, nuance....but never the snarky comment, that's a fixture.

I agree, it's quite shocking and revealing isn't it.

• We have people saying it's directly tied to BLM when footballers and their representatives have said that it isn't. - Facts
• We have people saying that all players are forced in to taking the knee and that it is implied that doing so will in itself fix all racism - Not coherent with what has bein said.
• Admitting that you would not support friends who were racially abused - No self awareness.
• Saying that you would prioritise getting 3 points above showing support for a racially targeted team mate for 20 seconds - No empathy
• Completely unaware of the need for protests and actions in order to initiate meaningful change - No Real World knowledge
• Thinking that support players who do this is giving permission to looters to destroy property - No nuance detected.

elvui

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Some people here just don't understand that BLM isn't an organization. There's organisations taking the name of BLM the same what the nazis took the name of socialist. People aren't taking the knee to support the charlatan BLM organisations. To say so is just wrong. Once you divorce arguments from that right wing propaganda then those arguments fall apart and reveal themselves for the racist parroting that they are.

it's a handy excuse just like Antifa are not organised. Out of interest When you donate to BLM where does the money go to it has to be a Registered charity in the USA ? Therefor an organisation.

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Deleted User wrote: »

Well well well, let's bring it to extremes so.

I'd have no bother if someone got a late tackle if he was mouthing off. Whether it be racist abuse, general abuse or even if he was grandstanding as a player. In the context of a football match, it's appropriate.

That's how football is played. I'm not advocating it as a solution to racism as much as you and Mr stuffings would like to portray it. (I'm still giggling a little about mr stuffings comparing a late tackle to BLM violence as if they are in any way similar)

So just how should the racists in the fans be tackled? Should they be substituted in for 5 minutes?

elvui

Tell me how wrote: »

So just how should the racists in the fans be tackled? Should they be substituted in for 5 minutes?

Fined banned anything you like under the laws. Or you could drag them out to take the knee ?

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Tell me how wrote: »

I agree, it's quite shocking and revealing isn't it.

• We have people saying it's directly tied to BLM when footballers and their representatives have said that it isn't. - Facts
• We have people saying that all players are forced in to taking the knee and that it is implied that doing so will in itself fix all racism - Not coherent with what has bein said.
• Admitting that you would not support friends who were racially abused - No self awareness.
• Saying that you would prioritise getting 3 points above showing support for a racially targeted team mate for 20 seconds - No empathy
• Completely unaware of the need for protests and actions in order to initiate meaningful change - No Real World knowledge
• Thinking that support players who do this is giving permission to looters to destroy property - No nuance detected.

Well that's absolute horse**** and purposely misrepresenting what was said.

Even by your standards that is disgusting.

Who admitted they'd not support a friend who was racially abused?

Back that up

Retr0gamer

elvui wrote: »

it's a handy excuse just like Antifa are not organised. Out of interest When you donate to BLM where does the money go to it has to be a Registered charity in the USA ? Therefor an organisation.

It's hard to argue with the indoctrinated. Obviously you didn't get what I was on about.

Back In Cagie Wagie

elvui wrote: »

it's a handy excuse just like Antifa are not organised. Out of interest When you donate to BLM where does the money go to it has to be a Registered charity in the USA ? Therefor an organisation.

It goes to the marxist woman founder who used the money donated by white idiots and woke corporations to buy property.

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Tell me how wrote: »

So just how should the racists in the fans be tackled? Should they be substituted in for 5 minutes?

I dunno. We should probably all kneel at them?

What's your suggestion?

Oh and to clarify, do you consider the people booing to be racist?

elvui

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It's hard to argue with the indoctrinated.

Are you saying the funds are being embezzled somehow ?

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Retr0gamer wrote: »

Some people here just don't understand that BLM isn't an organization. There's organisations taking the name of BLM the same what the nazis took the name of socialist. People aren't taking the knee to support the charlatan BLM organisations. To say so is just wrong. Once you divorce arguments from that right wing propaganda then those arguments fall apart and reveal themselves for the racist parroting that they are.

You might day you aren't racist, or I'm not racist. But what you are doing is repeating racist rhetoric

They know this, but they can then use that argument to castigate players for calling for an end to racism.

They were fine with Kick it out, and Respect campaigns because they could just ignore those like pop up ads but while they could look at their phone or go to the toilet or whatever to ignore the short period of players kneeling, for some reason they are concerned and I think it's because they think now this is getting traction.

Which, in their eagerness to stop that happening, they are drawing more and more attention to it.

Retr0gamer

elvui wrote: »

Are you saying the funds are being embezzled somehow ?

I'm saying that anyone that supports the BLM movement and donates to any BLM movement is an idiot and has been fooled by chancers.

Fandymo

BBDBB wrote: »

ok, well it seems we got that all sorted in the nick of time

now, next on the agenda...."Come on, Is murder all that bad really?"

Go

Maybe we should take a knee to send a message out that murder is wrong?? All boardsies at 9pm every night, no matter where you are.

elvui

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm saying that anyone that supports the BLM movement and donates to any BLM movement is an idiot and has been fooled by chancers.

But is also an organisation. As to donate has to be a charity yes ?

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Tell me how wrote: »

They know this, but they can then use that argument to castigate players for calling for an end to racism.

They were fine with Kick it out, and Respect campaigns because they could just ignore those like pop up ads but while they could look at their phone or go to the toilet or whatever to ignore the short period of players kneeling, for some reason they are concerned and I think it's because they think now this is getting traction.

Which, in their eagerness to stop that happening, they are drawing more and more attention to it.

Lol

Everyone who doesn't think like you is a dirty little racist who just hates minorities.

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Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno. We should probably all kneel at them?

What's your suggestion?

Oh and to clarify, do you consider the people booing to be racist?

My suggestion is that the clubs and stadiums act to identify, remove, ban and charge those behaving inappropriately depending on the severity of the offence as laws allow.
And that governing bodies fine and ban teams who are not attempting to identify people behaving in this way.
I agree with the kneeling because it is drawing attention to the need for action and the more conversation there is around it then the more likely clubs/national teams and governing bodies are likely to eventually act appropriately.

What do you think should be done?

Retr0gamer

elvui wrote: »

But is also an organisation. As to donate has to be a charity yes ?

If what I originally posted is beyond your comprehension to understand I'm not going to bother answering. I explained everything already. You don't get it.

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Deleted User wrote: »

Lol

Everyone who doesn't think like you is a dirty little racist who just hates minorities.

Haven't said that, but I'm sure you'll get the thanks you are looking for.

elvui

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If what I originally posted is beyond your comprehension to understand I'm not going to bother answering. I explained everything already. You don't get it.

So it's an organisation/business registered or not. you cant come out with tripe that it's not an organisation as it has to be an entity to donate to.

Retr0gamer

elvui wrote: »

So it's an organisation/business registered or not. you cant come out with tripe that it's not an organisation as it has to be an entity to donate to.

Well done. Thanks for supporting my argument.

Fandymo

Fandymo wrote: »

Maybe we should take a knee to send a message out that murder is wrong?? All boardsies at 9pm every night, no matter where you are.

Cmon man,. This is boards.

We'd have people claiming murder in self defence is ok and people rebutting saying that the are advocating for all puppies to be killed and twenty pages of the definition of murder and then others giving out about the negative connotations to crows.

And trump for some reason.

Don't do this to us.

elvui

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Well done. Thanks for supporting my argument.

I was not the one that said it was not an organisation. the main BLM page is using ActBlue so they are infact registered somwhere.