Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Glad we finally agree on something.

And i'm glad to see you're still contributing to the point of the knee-taking gesture. Fair play.

And I'm glad you are still selectively quoting people so to frame them disingenuously.

It's at least consistent.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

https://www.newtownbee.com/08202020/blm-organization-vs-blm-movement-a-semantic-trap/

I'll leave that there. I very much doubt that you will understand it or want to understand it but it's all I can do.

The semantic trap works both ways. "BLM is a marxist organisation" can be used to shut down people who are genuinely only concerned about racism, and "If you don't say BLM, you're racist" can be used to shut down those with legitimate concerns about the proliferation of a Marxist ideology that is openly hostile to Western culture. In any case, if the slogan requires explanation—"we mean the sentiment, not the organisation. We don't want to disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure!" or vice versa—then it would seem that it is not fit for purpose.

It would also seem that, if your objective were to have people unify against racism in a given arena, then upon realising that the slogans and/or actions you were using were in fact divisive in practice regardless of your good intentions, and were indeed opposed by many people who had supported pre-existing attempts to bring attention to the same issue, you would take a moment to consider whether your strategy needed reassessment.

Retr0gamer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good for you.

I'm not racist but I am opposed to a gesture synonymous with an organisation I disagree with wholeheartedly.

I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people making peaceful gestures against racism while using conservative rhetoric to justify to myself that I support this disgusting position to take.

MisterAnarchy

MrStuffins wrote: »

All you lot who are so against this gesture are partaking in exactly what it has been designed to do.

in 1600+ posts in just over 48 hours, you are proving that the whole thing is working. It's glorious!

This gesture as you put it is designed to cause division and conflict.

Its critical race theory at its basic.

It should be about unity and treating everyone the same irrespective of their colour.

elvui

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people making peaceful gestures against racism while using conservative rhetoric to justify to myself that I support this disgusting position to take.

Woooh there Conservatives are Racists ? That's a large net.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people making a peaceful gesture against racism.

I’m not an American supremacist but only American lives matter and all other protests should be banned.

NoLuckLarry

elvui wrote: »

Woooh there Conservatives are Racists ? That's a large net.

Everyone is a racist, did you not get the memo?

elvui

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

Everyone is a racist, did you not get the memo?

Damit I forgot to renew my stormfront weekly.... :P

WrenBoy

MrStuffins wrote: »

Cheers. I know.








*you're

MrStuffins wrote: »

But don't you get it? (You shouldn't start a sentence with "but")

He's apposed (opposed)to it because something something BLM!!! something Terrorists! (Capital S on something here)Something BLM BLM! something Marxists under my bed! something! (Capitalise the S's here also)

I'm not sure if i've (I've) gotten it right but i'm (Capital I here) sure he'll explain better........ over and over again.

5/10, needs work.

I would take American black oppression and kneeling more seriously if they also protested American imperialism - which did happen during the civil rights movement w/ Vietnam etc.

MrStuffins

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

This gesture as you put it is designed to cause division and conflict.

Only if you pick it up that way and run with it. This often signifies underlying issues.

elvui

fvp4 wrote: »

I would take American black oppression and kneeling more seriously if they also protested American imperialism - which did happen during the civil rights movement w/ Vietnam etc.

And taking the knee in broadcasts for China and using the same logos in places they wont.

NoLuckLarry

MrStuffins wrote: »

Only if you pick it up that way and run with it. This often signifies underlying issues.

So if another "movement" started using the Sieg Heil as their gesture, you'd have no problem with it because that would essentially be you "running with it" a certain way?

elvui

MrStuffins wrote: »

Only if you pick it up that way and run with it. This often signifies underlying issues.

Yeah underlying issues like denying and organisation in an organisation. Doubt sky news or the FA know the local BLM unaffiliated chapter in back ass nowhere.

Tell me how

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

This gesture as you put it is designed to cause division and conflict.

Its critical race theory at its basic.

It should be about unity and treating everyone the same irrespective of their colour.

So the people drawing attention to the racists are doing more harm than the racists?

Madness, 200 years ago, you'd have been blaming slaves for hurting their masters hand when he beat them.

MrStuffins

NoLuckLarry wrote: »

So if another "movement" started using the Sieg Heil as their gesture, you'd have no problem with it because that would essentially be you "running with it" a certain way?

MrStuffins

Tell me how wrote: »

So the people drawing attention to the racists are doing more harm than the racists?

Madness, 200 years ago, you'd have been blaming slaves for hurting their masters hand when he beat them.

Didn't you know that calling racists on racism is just causing conflict and division?

Leave racists alone and everything will be fine!

elvui

Tell me how wrote: »

So the people drawing attention to the racists are doing more harm than the racists?

Madness, 200 years ago, you'd have been blaming slaves for hurting their masters hand when he beat them.

200 years ago Atlantic slave trade was banned.

Larbre34

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people making peaceful gestures against racism while using conservative rhetoric to justify to myself that I support this disgusting position to take.

Its nothing of the sort, its millionaires acting like sheep, dictated by bedwetting PR depts afraid of their life to be seen falling out of line.

Let them all follow the lead of Marcus Rashford and put their time money and influence into making real impact for real people on the ground and I'll stand on my head right beside them. Otherwise its just tokenism of the most craven kind.

Rothko

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people making a peaceful gesture against racism.

Are you accusing that poster of being racist?

elvui

elvui wrote: »

And taking the knee in broadcasts for China and using the same logos in places they wont.

Fcuk that. That’s another form of American supremacism. They should fix the beam in their own eye.

The US, and it’s mind controlled zealots, have convinced the world that the only thing that matters is what happens in America. Only America exists. A man killed by a cop in the US is the most important thing in the world. It’s extraordinary mind control.

Which gives them carte blanch to starve hundreds of thousands of Yemeni children with their Saudi allies and not a peep from the wokes.

zom

MrStuffins wrote: »

Leave racists alone and everything will be fine!

Is denying racism allowed here?

Faugheen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah it is absolutely glorious. People who oppose racism are now being called stupid or racist for not kneeling or being opposed to the gesture.

Working out great.

Don’t forget those who do support the peaceful gesture being called terrorist-sympathisers.

While you display yourself as having balanced views, you certainly seem to have no problem with other people going to extremes if they agree with your view on kneeling or BLM because there isn’t a peep out of you then.

MrStuffins

zom wrote: »

Is denying racism allowed here?

You can deny anything you want. You can deny that the earth is flat, can deny that we went to the moon, deny that Dublin is the capital of Ireland......... deny away!

elvui

MrStuffins wrote: »

You can deny anything you want. You can deny that the earth is flat, can deny that we went to the moon, deny that Dublin is the capital of Ireland......... deny away!

Yup you can deny a organisation is not an organisation too.

MisterAnarchy

MrStuffins wrote: »

in 1600+ posts in just over 48 hours, you are proving that the whole thing is working. It's glorious!

Most of the 1600+ posts is the same truculent and disengenuous posters trying to derail the discussion.

Quantum Erasure

Faugheen wrote: »

Don’t forget those who do support the peaceful gesture being called terrorist-sympathisers.

While you display yourself as having balanced views, you certainly seem to have no problem with other people going to extremes if they agree with your view on kneeling or BLM because there isn’t a peep out of you then.

Crypto racism

Tell me how

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Most of the 1600+ posts is the same truculent and disengenuous posters trying to derail the discussion.

:D:D:D:D:D

The 'discussion' of everyone saying the booing should stop, it's actually a front for Marxist ideals and creeping socialism and let's just focus on getting the three points.

You don't want a discussion, you want an echo chamber.

Fr D Maugire

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Most of the 1600+ posts is the same truculent and disengenuous posters trying to derail the discussion.

But it shows how successful and relevant the knee protests have been, because we are talking about it. I mean it only took a year and then only started because fans started booing the Irish team. If that had not happened, would we be talking about it? Probably not.

Brian?

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Alex Belfield, who is rapidly gaining a following in the UK, is quite vocal on the subject:

Jesus, that guy is a complete idiot.