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Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

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    #1652
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Tell me how wrote: »

    You don't want a discussion, you want an echo chamber.

    It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.


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    #1653
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Most of the 1600+ posts is the same truculent and disengenuous posters trying to derail the discussion.
    I checked in a while ago and it looked like an actual discussion on racism was about to break out... Back to the same ****e now.

    There's more discussion on actual racism in the annual James Mcclean poppy thread


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    #1654
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.

    When you are met with facts and analysis, you call them propaganda and virtue signaling.

    When doing so, do you not think you are more morally correct than whoever posted them? Doesn't that mean you think you are morally superior?


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    #1655
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    MrStuffins don't post in this thread again, all you are doing is trolling at this stage


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    #1656
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,942 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Tell me how wrote: »

    The 'discussion' of everyone saying the booing should stop, it's actually a front for Marxist ideals and creeping socialism and let's just focus on getting the three points.

    You don't want a discussion, you want an echo chamber.

    All I see is you with over 80 posts in this thread and MrStufins with over 155 posts.


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    #1657
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    All I see is you with over 80 posts in this thread and MrStufins with over 155 posts.

    And yet, as in many of these types of threads, our we are outweighed in terms of the number of individuals who have issues with any advocacy on behalf of those who are treated unfairly.


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    #1658
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    And yet, as in many of these types of threads, our we are outweighed in terms of the number of individuals who have issues with any advocacy on behalf of those who are treated unfairly.

    That is a big claim.


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    #1659
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Tell me how wrote: »
    And yet, as in many of these types of threads, our we are outweighed in terms of the number of individuals who have issues with any advocacy on behalf of those who are treated unfairly.
    jackboy wrote: »
    That is a big claim.

    But this isn't?
    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.


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    #1660
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    tailorspy wrote: »
    Going right back to the original post in an attempt to get back on topic.

    I would love to see if there was an overlap between the rise/proliferation of social media and the re-emergence of the racist behaviour in stadiums. Does one fuel the other - are they the same people?

    Most definitely one fuels the other and I can't imagine that anyone who is of a mind to be racist in public is going to be any less restrained online assuming they have an online presence.

    I would think that way more people will be racist online because they have either a subconscious or known sense of anonymity.

    But the presence of it online leads to it being normalised and so unless it is targeted and weeded out, we will likely see it increase in public for a period.


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    #1661
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 895 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Fr D Maugire wrote: »
    But it shows how successful and relevant the knee protests have been, because we are talking about it. I mean it only took a year and then only started because fans started booing the Irish team. If that had not happened, would we be talking about it? Probably not.

    We're talking about it but it's not winning anyone over. If anything many of the pro-kneelers here are damaging the cause. Going by this thread they have a bad habit of pushing people who might take any issue with it further away by labeling them racist.


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    #1662
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    This gesture as you put it is designed to cause division and conflict.

    Its critical race theory at its basic.

    It should be about unity and treating everyone the same irrespective of their colour.

    Why are you feeling so divided over football players taking a stand against racism? Something that plenty of players have been exposed to.


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    #1663
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    And yet, as in many of these types of threads, our we are outweighed in terms of the number of individuals who have issues with any advocacy on behalf of those who are treated unfairly.

    Did someone not before give 70% responses attributed to someone as stalking :P


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    #1664
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Most definitely one fuels the other and I can't imagine that anyone who is of a mind to be racist in public is going to be any less restrained online assuming they have an online presence.

    I would think that way more people will be racist online because they have either a subconscious or known sense of anonymity.

    But the presence of it online leads to it being normalised and so unless it is targeted and weeded out, we will likely see it increase in public for a period.

    I'm sure you can point to those racist remarks.


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    #1665
    Tell me how
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    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    We're talking about it but it's not winning anyone over. If anything many of the pro-kneelers here are damaging the cause. Going by this thread they have a bad habit of pushing people who might take any issue with it further away.

    This is scape-goating people who agree that the protests have merit in order to absolve themselves from owning their own views and decisions.

    The arguments and merits of the protests are fairly clear. Think about them and come up with a position and own it, but don't seek to blame others for you not supporting it if that's where you end up.


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    #1666
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    This is scape-goating people who agree that the protests have merit in order to absolve themselves from owning their own views and decisions.

    The arguments and merits of the protests are fairly clear. Think about them and come up with a position and own it, but don't seek to blame others for you not supporting it if that's where you end up.

    Some have argued, ban, suspend meaningful things taking on the actual problem that is online rather than in the stadium. But no take the knee.


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    #1667
    MarkEadie
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    Tell me how wrote: »
    And yet, as in many of these types of threads, our we are outweighed in terms of the number of individuals who have issues with any advocacy on behalf of those who are treated unfairly.

    Very well said. I commend you for your effort. I haven't seen you lose an argument in all your posts which is very impressive indeed.


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    #1668
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why are you feeling so divided over football players taking a stand against racism? Something that plenty of players have been exposed to.

    Because BLM and they could do it in other ways something something.


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    #1669
    Tell me how
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    elvui wrote: »
    I'm sure you can point to those racist remarks.

    You need me to point to racist remarks on social media?

    Do you want links to all of them? On every platform? Over what period? This might take a while, I'll be honest.


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    #1670
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    If your friend was experiencing racist abuse in public, you wouldn't back them up?

    I’d take a knee, that’d teach the racist.


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    #1671
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    You need me to point to racist remarks on social media?

    Do you want links to all of them? On every platform? Over what period? This might take a while, I'll be honest.

    Nothing so grandiose, This thread for a start.


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    #1672
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    The arguments and merits of the protests are fairly clear.

    I don’t agree with this, I think they are clear as mud. Whether people are for or against taking the knee there is widely different opinions on what it is really about.

    One thing is clear though, the players are being publicly pressurised to take the knee.


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    #1673
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    If your friend was experiencing racist abuse in public, you wouldn't back them up?
    It's really never as simple as this type of bravado. Judgement calls keep everyone safer even if they are subject to more abuse.


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    #1674
    Tell me how
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    More lies that won't be backed up.

    And......... did you just re-reg to have a go at me? That's weird!
    Tell me how wrote: »
    Lol.
    Will probably ask later 'show evidence that I've been racist?'

    Which account mate? :rolleyes:

    And here it is. Less than 4 hours later.
    elvui wrote: »
    I'm sure you can point to those racist remarks.
    elvui wrote: »
    Nothing so grandiose, This thread for a start.


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    #1675
    Tell me how
    Registered Users Posts: 21,696 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    jackboy wrote: »
    I don’t agree with this, I think they are clear as mud. Whether people are for or against taking the knee there is widely different opinions on what it is really about.

    One thing is clear though, the players are being publicly pressurised to take the knee.

    Link please.


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    #1676
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people making peaceful gestures against racism while using conservative rhetoric to justify to myself that I support this disgusting position to take.

    Let's do this merry dance again;

    I'm not racist but I'm opposed to people who use the same gesture that a racist organisation use to highlight inequality
    I have, and will continue to, support any efforts to minimise racism in society and sport, but will not support actions which are intrinsically linked to an organisation I am opposed to.

    If you have ANY issue with that, you need to look in the mirror


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    #1677
    elvui
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭elvui


    Tell me how wrote: »
    And here it is. Less than 4 hours later.

    I asked show Racist posts not accusations.


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    #1678
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Don’t forget those who do support the peaceful gesture being called terrorist-sympathisers.

    While you display yourself as having balanced views, you certainly seem to have no problem with other people going to extremes if they agree with your view on kneeling or BLM because there isn’t a peep out of you then.


    Tell me the specifics of where I said that. Was it when I said I wouldn't cry about someone tackling someone hard in a football match?

    And I've said REPEATEDLY that I have no issue if people want to kneel, once they have no issue with being booed. They've made their choice.

    And I do have a balanced view. Much more balanced than most as I encounter racism from both sides.


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    #1679
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Link please.

    https://www.goal.com/en/news/players-will-continue-to-take-the-knee-until-the-end-of-the/6q03d0e58c6g1typsfiqzhlnl


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    #1680
    [Deleted User]
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    Because BLM and they could do it in other ways something something.

    You could have stopped after the first two words and you would have been correct.


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    #1681
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Link please.

    Hmmm. Some teams have everyone bending the knee and others have no one bending the knee. Could be a million to one coincidence, or just maybe they are told what to do when in front of the cameras. Couldn’t be more publicly pressurised than that.


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