Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

gmisk

Clubs should in my opinion take a zero tolerance stance to racism, homophobia etc especially if it is on the pitch.
The below is a good example
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54367938.amp

gmisk

kildare lad wrote: »

I wonder how many footballers are gonna protest the thousands of workers who died , getting Qatar ready for the world cup , so multi millionaires can kick a ball around a field . Will world cup 2022 be worth the 6500 who've died so far ???

You mean like the below?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/28/why-are-football-teams-protesting-against-qatar-2022-world-cup
Classic case of whataboutery

atilladehun

kildare lad wrote: »

I wonder how many footballers are gonna protest the thousands of workers who died , getting Qatar ready for the world cup , so multi millionaires can kick a ball around a field . Will world cup 2022 be worth the 6500 who've died so far ???

Fans protesting by making it clear they won't engage with any sponsors or media involved in Qatar would have the greatest impact but fans would rather tut someone making a small effort than try do something themselves.


As for the kneeling, it's the first of a thousand step journey, or some old proverb like that.

I see sheep

Arturo Delgado wrote: »

The knee gesture is a sop to BLM, a Marxist political movement, who have hijacked the anti racism agenda for themselves. It is now as bad as players giving the fascist salute in the 1930's. It needs to stop soon, as the public see it for what it is.

LOL

Being Anti Racist = Being a NAZI

Jesus people are really brainwashed here, beyond all reality.

Deleted User

Not disagreeing with you, the dunne, just using your quote as a starting point.

Deleted User wrote: »

And racism in Europe needs to be discussed and admonished, completely separate to the kneeling which is a symbol of racial oppression in America.

Racism in Europe was already being discussed and managed long before BLM. Most European countries had laws to prevent racism, and there was already a social perception that racism was unacceptable in society. The difference was that it was a passive movement, recognising the existence of it within the human condition, and that we should seek to minimize it to bring about equality for everyone.

The people who harp on about racism will never be happy. As long as there is one person who makes a racist comment, they will continue to push the idea that racism is commonplace. And they will do so, because it makes them feel important... they're fighting the good fight.. even if by their own actions they encourage racism to manifest.

The funny thing is that the people who go on about racism tend to display racist beliefs themselves. This thread is full of it, where posters complain about White males getting annoyed at the accusations about racism.. singling out white males is racist and sexist, since racism is a human condition which exists in all racial groups. The sad part of all this is that these posters (and the anti-racism activists) can't see that they're elevating one race over another.

The taking of the knee in sports is a virtue gesture lacking in any real ability to influence the people who are racist. It's an empty gesture.

y0ssar1an22

gmisk wrote: »

Clubs should in my opinion take a zero tolerance stance to racism, homophobia etc especially if it is on the pitch.
The below is a good example
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54367938.amp

the ECB were taking a zero tolerant approach until their own players' tweets were brought to light. now they are back tracking.

suicide_circus

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/intermilan/status/1402334265904402440?s=19

From a player that was recently abused. But the boards experts say it isn't a problem anymore and when players take a stand taken against it, it's because they're "sermonising."

Perhaps if they knelt on both knees the racism would cease?

Cordell

So kneeling makes racist boo, first time it happens on these campaigns.
Great, you gave them a voice. Great success!

I see sheep

The longer it's booed, the longer it will go on.

The racists are really shooting themselves in the foot with this.

If the players stopped because of getting booed for it, it would be giving in to bullies and I don't think they will give in.

It's going to be a huge embarrassment for England at the Euros.

gmisk

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

the ECB were taking a zero tolerant approach until their own players' tweets were brought to light. now they are back tracking.

I honestly don't follow cricket so don't know ins and outs.
But they seem to be taking it pretty seriously?
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/second-england-player-investigated-historical-racism-social-media-2021-06-08/

kildare lad

gmisk wrote: »

You mean like the below?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/28/why-are-football-teams-protesting-against-qatar-2022-world-cup

I'm sorry but imo kneeling and wearing t shirts doesn't achieve anything . They done all the kneeling/blm stuff for a year last year in the NBA, and the commissioner told them to stop because ratings were going down . So the players stopped. Talk about putting money were you're mouth is . If the footballers really cared about the thousands that've died in Qatar , they should come together and refuse to play instead of wearing a t-shirt before a game . At the end of the day , them stadiums they'll be playing in were built on the back of thousands of dead peasants who were employed as cheap labour , so no , wearing a t-shirt saying human rights doesn't really do it for me .

Gatling

No need for anyone to take the knee especially in football ,it's nothing but politics that's not wanted or required on the pitch you can bet anything the only reason players are taking the knee is because of fear and labelled as racists ,

Leave the politics outside the game

gmisk

Cordell wrote: »

So kneeling makes racist boo, first time it happens on these campaigns.
Great, you gave them a voice. Great success!

The voice was always there....it's just being laid bare...not a bad thing imo

Feisar

gmisk wrote: »

Clubs should in my opinion take a zero tolerance stance to racism, homophobia etc especially if it is on the pitch.
The below is a good example
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54367938.amp

What I find funny though is if one of the players had hit someone, would they have forfeited the game? I'd much rather be called a Paddy bastard than be punched in the face.

nazmoalex

To the best of my knowledge the first soccer team to take the knee were Liverpool, after the death of George Floyd, at Anfield with no match or anything. It was done for PR, by a club owned by Americans. Was that politically motivated? You'd have to ask the owners.

Since then, the decision to take the knee by the Premier League and other leagues across Europe was seen as a positive to help raise the issue of social injustice, primarily of African Americans.

Nothing wrong with that.

However for the year or so that has been in place, there have been little or no fans. Across Europe, the taking of the knee has watered down to the point most of the other leagues stopped doing it. Weather that is because they are racist or thought it was a politically motivated gesture is up for debate.

It's become an issue because some people fail to see it as a political issue whatsoever.
I think people/players should be able to do whatever they feel is the right thing to do. If they want to take the knee, let them.

One thing I don't get is why Ireland did it for one game and not another. Someone from the F.A.I. should clarify that.

extra gravy

extra gravy wrote: »

Yep, the few here whinging about players taking the knee clearly know nothing about English football and how engrained racism still is.

More than a few people disagreeing with taking a knee... and it's hardly whinging.

Everyone knows that racism exists among the supporters of soccer, especially in the UK or Italy. It's worth considering, though, which socio-economic groups are likely to express racist ideas, and why they feel that way. The perception towards other non-white racial groups is often based on the low-skilled workers that have come into Europe, taking low-skilled employment, or adding to the welfare costs of the nation.. Italy is a prime example of that, with it's large unemployment rates, and larger immigration. That's not to say that the racism is warranted, but it's important to recognise what's happening, as opposed to simply latching on to the end result.

I'd say that a lot of the people who cry foul about posters complaining about taking the knee, or the accusations of racism being commonplace, don't really try to understand anything beyond their need to show their own virtue.

I'd be curious what you believe to be the benefit of taking the knee?

Public awareness about racism has existed for decades already. We already have heaps of laws/social norms to punish those who express racist ideas. People already know not to express racist beliefs in society, which is why in soccer, it's the mob that's doing it.

What do you see changing, beyond what already exists in European societies?

I see sheep

Gatling wrote: »

No need for anyone to take the knee especially in football ,it's nothing but politics that's not wanted or required on the pitch you can bet anything the only reason players are taking the knee is because of fear and labelled as racists ,

Leave the politics outside the game

Our players are role models. And, beyond the confines of the pitch, we must recognise the impact they can have on society. We must give them the confidence to stand up for their teammates and the things that matter to them as people.

I have never believed that we should just stick to football.

I know my voice carries weight, not because of who I am but because of the position that I hold. I have a responsibility to the wider community to use my voice, and so do the players.

It’s their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate.

England's Manager

FunLover18

kildare lad wrote: »

I wonder how many footballers are gonna protest the thousands of workers who died getting Qatar ready for the world cup , so multi millionaires can kick a ball around a field . Will world cup 2022 be worth the 6500 who've died so far ???

I wonder how many fans booing the knee are gonna boo/protest/boycott said world cup. Let's not pretend they're booing the hypocrisy, they're booing a gesture that challenges their own world view and the whataboutery "defence" along with "racism isn't that bad" attitude only goes to show why the knee is needed.

Retr0gamer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you, the dunne, just using your quote as a starting point.



Racism in Europe was already being discussed and managed long before BLM. Most European countries had laws to prevent racism, and there was already a social perception that racism was unacceptable in society. The difference was that it was a passive movement, recognising the existence of it within the human condition, and that we should seek to minimize it to bring about equality for everyone.

The people who harp on about racism will never be happy. As long as there is one person who makes a racist comment, they will continue to push the idea that racism is commonplace. And they will do so, because it makes them feel important... they're fighting the good fight.. even if by their own actions they encourage racism to manifest.

The funny thing is that the people who go on about racism tend to display racist beliefs themselves. This thread is full of it, where posters complain about White males getting annoyed at the accusations about racism.. singling out white males is racist and sexist, since racism is a human condition which exists in all racial groups. The sad part of all this is that these posters (and the anti-racism activists) can't see that they're elevating one race over another.

The taking of the knee in sports is a virtue gesture lacking in any real ability to influence the people who are racist. It's an empty gesture.

So Europe has got it's racism problem sort? Well how do you explain the right wing fascism of the governments in Hungary or Poland? Or booing of players making a gesture against racism?

People who go on about racism will never be happy? Why should they be. As has been said racism will probably never go away but just because it could be lessened or under control doesn't mean that every incident of racism shouldnt be treated with contempt and highlighted as a disgusting act.

I see sheep

nazmoalex wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge the first soccer team to take the knee were Liverpool, after the death of George Floyd, at Anfield with no match or anything. It was done for PR, by a club owned by Americans. Was that politically motivated? You'd have to ask the owners.

This is all completely untrue.

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

The longer it's booed, the longer it will go on.

When you push people (the mob) eventually, they'll push back.

The racists are really shooting themselves in the foot with this.

Can you comprehend that people don't like others taking the perceived high moral ground over them? Many people with zero racist beliefs will react/resist the taking of the knee, for all manner of reasons, like their view that it has no place in a soccer match.

This is not a situation where all the racists are on one side, and all the non-racists are on the other side. I'm not even remotely racist, but I'd probably start booing at this stage, since the message by bending the knee was sent before, and I dislike repetitive messages of virtue signalling.

A month of taking the knee would have made sense. This, is something else entirely.

listermint

Bobblehats wrote: »

In their last three internationals alone Ireland have been caught kneeling to Qatari; Andorran and Hungarian teams. None of it for whom occurred to go down on their knees. Indeed the Hungarian captain made a point of just touching his “respect” badge tonight, suggesting that was enough

Going into a European Championships I’m just wondering how long is this expected to continue? ..and of whom is it just a few western European sucker nations? Now that the people are in attendance, voicing their disapproval and teams evidently don’t approve of it either. Is this farce to continue and not be adhered?

European sucker nations ?


I think anyone with Viktor Orban at the Healm is the real sucker here don't you think. You think the Hungarian team would be doing anything considered solidarity with other people with that looper in charge.

I suggest Irish people who think they have it so bad in these sucker nations toddle off there an live it up in your hard right dream nations. Just pick one. Enjoy

Retr0gamer

Ah Liverpool. The great Marxist football club of north england whose recent folly was the support of the Marxist European super league.

Gatling

I see sheep wrote: »

England's Manager

Useless git , coming from another useless organisation

It's funny how Liverpool was the first team to take the knees despite several years previously they were wearing a t-shirt in support of one of their own racist players ...

Football is for fun not political grandstanding ,

Cordell

gmisk wrote: »

The voice was always there....it's just being laid bare...not a bad thing imo

Well, there was the odd banana thrown into the pitch and the odd chanting that never made the news, but now booing is broadcasted worldwide.
If you ask me, if there is a racism problem in Europe this is making it worse.

listermint

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Ah Liverpool. The great Marxist football club of north england whose recent folly was the support of the Marxist European super league.

The marxism jibe is another wolf whistle originating from Twitter. Kinda of like how the Russians were and are calling Ukrainians fightin back russian occupation as Nazis. It's an internet optic war and people are sucked into it with no basis in reality.


Marxists lol.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

So Europe has got it's racism problem sort? Well how do you explain the right wing fascism of the governments in Hungary or Poland? Or booing of players making a gesture against racism?

Nowhere has got it's racism problem sorted. But Europe is probably the fairest part of the world already in terms of race. Do you disagree?

Read back on what I wrote. We already had the laws and social norms to minimize the effects of racism in society.. there was already a public awareness about racism and it was unacceptable. What more do you realistically see happening?

People who go on about racism will never be happy? Why should they be.

Some realism would be nice to see.

As has been said racism will probably never go away but just because it could be lessened or under control doesn't mean that every incident of racism shouldnt be treated with contempt and highlighted as a disgusting act.

Did I say otherwise? Did I suggest that we should stop our existing initiatives to minimize the effects of racism in society?

extra gravy

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/intermilan/status/1402334265904402440?s=19

From a player that was recently abused. But the boards experts say it isn't a problem anymore and when players take a stand taken against it, it's because they're "sermonising."

What are they taking a stand against? And why have they not been doing this before George Floyd?

I think this gesture was a knee-jerk reaction post-George Floyd. Everyone wanted to feel good about themselves, that they were fighting a good fight, "raising awareness" or some such.

Now that the initial mass hysteria has worn off, they appear to be changing the message, that they are fighting "racism" - it's not doing anything constructive but simply makes ALL white fans feel guilty and apologetic for a crime they didn't commit. People are booing for the moralising guilt trip. Who wants to pay money to have multimillionaires chastise them over their wickedness?

kildare lad

FunLover18 wrote: »

I wonder how many fans booing the knee are gonna boo/protest/boycott said world cup. Let's not pretend they're booing the hypocrisy, they're booing a gesture that challenges their own world view and the whataboutery "defence" along with "racism isn't that bad" attitude only goes to show why the knee is needed.

I'm talking about the footballers not the fans . If they really believed in social justice they should just boycott the world cup.

nazmoalex

I see sheep wrote: »

This is all completely untrue.

Well the owners are American.... Also I said to the best of my knowledge. Please enlighten me.