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The Delta variant

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    #1082
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    tom1ie wrote: »
    But the vaccine reduces transmission no?
    What is the % chance of an u18 dying from taking the vaccine? I’d say it’s fairly infinitesimal aswell.

    We dont know yet as we are waiting on data but it cant be much lower than the chance of dying in the wild. And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine


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    #1083
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,062 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    snowcat wrote: »
    And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine
    How many proven vaccine fatalities have there been in the 20-40 age group?

    With source please.


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    #1084
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭brickster69


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Ok. I must have misread that.
    3.5k who tested positive, but didn’t impact the hospital service. So what’s the issue there?
    Genuine question.

    No issue, probably just isolated and that's it, like everyone does.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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    #1085
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    snowcat wrote: »
    We dont know yet as we are waiting on data but it cant be much lower than the chance of dying in the wild. And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine

    We don’t know that the vaccine reduces transmission?


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    #1086
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tom1ie wrote: »
    I’ve never seen anything saying we have immunity for 2 years (which would be fantastic news). Has this been publicised?

    Yes. Didn't say 2 , a few .


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    #1087
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    snowcat wrote: »
    We dont know yet as we are waiting on data but it cant be much lower than the chance of dying in the wild. And it is not looking good with the proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from the Vaccine

    What proven fatalities in the 20-40 age group from taking the vaccine?


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    #1088
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes. Didn't say 2 , a few .

    You said a couple, but doesn’t matter.


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    #1089
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Well that is good but I suppose the problem being wild infections = hospitalisations, which I though was no longer a thing until I ventured back into this thread!!

    tom1ie ..will you give me a break please ?
    Of course not proposing this type of immunity but many younger people would have been asymptomatic or others who have had it and don't want to get the vaccine , would at least have some immunity for a while , maybe longer , who knows .


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    #1090
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tom1ie wrote: »
    ? Are you saying kids will die directly from taking the vaccines?

    Again with the questions ...but asking some people you will get some strange replies ...your choice !


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    #1091
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Lumen wrote: »
    How many proven vaccine fatalities have there been in the 20-40 age group?

    With source please.

    Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.


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    #1092
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tom1ie wrote: »
    How do you know this?
    Has there been studies on vaccinating under 12s?

    Haha bang on with that question though tom1ie ! :D


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    #1093
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Again with the questions ...but asking some people you will get some strange replies ...your choice !

    It’s a public forum for gods sake.
    Relax.
    Question wasn’t even addressed to you.


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    #1094
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,062 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    snowcat wrote: »
    Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

    Come on, you're an engineer. You surely have actual data to back up your claim, right?


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    #1095
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,130 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    snowcat wrote: »
    Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

    Provide a reputable source or do not post in this thread again


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    #1096
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    tom1ie wrote: »
    It’s a public forum for gods sake.
    Relax.
    Question wasn’t even addressed to you.

    Good post , no question marks!


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    #1097
    tom1ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Good post , no question marks!

    Lol! Good one actually?


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    #1098
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Beasty wrote: »
    Provide a reputable source or do not post in this thread again

    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf


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    #1099
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,062 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    snowcat wrote: »
    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf

    https://twitter.com/udarnik/status/1408563479758446596?s=19

    https://retractionwatch.com/2021/06/29/paper-claiming-two-deaths-from-covid-19-vaccination-for-every-three-prevented-cases-earns-expression-of-concern/

    In any case it doesn't contain the data you claim.


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    #1100
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    snowcat wrote: »
    Loads as most media have reported. Blood clots myocarditis etc. Most not reported, we should have a log of every person that dies after receiving a vaccine. Similiar to the Covid log. Died after getting a vaccine not because of the vaccine.

    Could we have authentic sources with detailed statistics to support your post, it is ridiculous otherwise.


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    #1101
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Lumen wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/udarnik/status/1408563479758446596?s=19

    https://retractionwatch.com/2021/06/29/paper-claiming-two-deaths-from-covid-19-vaccination-for-every-three-prevented-cases-earns-expression-of-concern/

    In any case it doesn't contain the data you claim.

    I could be wrong here but i dont think there is a virologist or immunologist on Nphet either.


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    #1102
    Lumen
    Registered Users Posts: 31,062 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    snowcat wrote: »
    I could be wrong here but i dont think there is a virologist or immunologist on Nphet either.

    Amazingly, you are wrong again. :pac:

    Cillian de Gascun is a consultant virologist.


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    #1103
    snowcat
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Lumen wrote: »
    Amazingly, you are wrong again. :pac:

    Cillian de Gascun is a consultant virologist.

    Oh sorry I didnt get a chance to go through all 30 of their CV's. Its good to see the main man is an expert in the field.


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    #1104
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1410673460624465920?s=21


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    #1105
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    snowcat wrote: »
    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/pdf

    https://www.universityaffairs.ca/features/feature-article/beware-academics-getting-reeled-scam-journals/


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    #1106
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

    Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.


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    #1107
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

    Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

    Why discredit yourself with such extreme sensationalist nonsense.


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    #1108
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

    Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

    Your panties are bunching up.


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    #1109
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,232 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    So I guess we will be locked down forever, next we will need to ban driving altogether as that kills people. Then we can close down all society for fear of risks.

    Better buy in the cotton wool so Tony can wrap us all up tight.

    Unfortunately you are very close to the truth


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    #1110
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Why discredit yourself with such extreme sensationalist nonsense.

    Well as Philip Nolan tweeted earlier vaccine efficacy is only a certain percentage meaning we will always have at risk in our population and covid will be indemic so.....

    I honestly expected we would continue to open unless a clear rise in hospital cases was seen.

    But that is no longer the aim. Can you tell me at what point will the risk be acceptable? Will we be onto booster shots before we get to that point.

    Fully accept my comment is sensationalist but can you give me an answer - a real answer for when this will end now?


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    #1111
    FileNotFound
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Your panties are bunching up.

    So when will it end, covid is here to stay, vaccines are not 100% and delta is infecting vaccinated people. So cases will continue.

    So as we will always have people at risk, when's the magic line where we accept the risk?

    Its a serious question.


    They are taking away the cheap drink as we can't be trusted. So on and so on. We seem to be going though a bit of a nanny state moment. All in the name of public health.


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