Trying to determine the religion of my mums great-grandmother - What to do next?

SharpshooterTom

pinkypinky wrote: »

Was confused about your pensions comment, but then remember we're talking about Northern Ireland by then.

People absolutely did lie about their ages, but she would have needed something to back up her claim.

Would you say in your experience Patrick Slavin was more likely born in Armagh rather Tyrone? I don't understand why he would state Armagh if he didn't have a connection there. I presume he misunderstood the question previously in 1901.

SharpshooterTom

With regards to the marriage record, there's a good reason why others sites don't have it and that's because according to John Grenham's site, the National Library of Ireland only goes up to 1880 for marriages in Aghaloo Parish, (which is the source Ancestry.com and Findmypast use). Similarly PRONI only go up to 1880 for marriages there as well.

https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0180&parish=Aghaloo

The only ones who go beyond that are rootsireland. Now according to their own website they get their Tyrone and Fermanagh sources from a company called www.irish-world.com who specialise in offering services to people looking for ancestors from Tyrone and Fermanagh. So I'll bypass rootsireland and contact them instead since its Irish World heritage centre who have provided the information to rootsireland in the first place.

I just want to say big thank you to everyone who has helped me in this thread. Really appreciate it, hopefully I can get my answers to this question in due course.

pinkypinky

You're right about the church copy of the marriage, but it does not explain why there's no civil record of the marriage.

SharpshooterTom

pinkypinky wrote: »

You're right about the church copy of the marriage, but it does not explain why there's no civil record of the marriage.

I was told by Irish-World the church record wont contain parents names. They've told me they can apply to the General Register office on my behalf for a fee of £20, which probably is a waste of time (and money) but I might as well go for it and see if a civil record or some other information is available. Its the last throw of the dice I feel.

My aim is to find the answers to three questions:

1)The parents names of Patrick and Sarah Slavin
2)Sarah Slavins religion prior to marrying to Patrick
3)Patrick Slavins birthplace (Armagh or Tyrone)

And I haven't found an answer to any one of those three yet. A lot of work, a lot of dead ends and false hopes.

Hermy

There's no need to pay a third party anything when you can go directly to the GRO yourself and ask them to search for the civil record for far less than the £20 you're being asked to pay.

SharpshooterTom

Hermy wrote: »

There's no need to pay a third party anything when you can go directly to the GRO yourself and ask them to search for the civil record for far less than the £20 you're being asked to pay.

I think its £15 normally. I suppose being in contact with them giving me some suggestions and advice on what to do next is why I am also doing it.

Hermy

Well you did mention how it might be a waste of money.

Given that why not waste €5 rather than £20.

pinkypinky

You do understand that the GRO is going to search the same indexes that we have on www.irishgenealogy.ie and GRONI?

I think you would be better served contacting the church directly and asking about their parish registers. Whoever Irish World are, they must have gotten to transcribe the records from the parish. It would be unusual by 1898 for a church record to omit the parents' names. The civil record, if it exists, will only give you the fathers' names and it won't tell you what religion someone is.

SharpshooterTom

pinkypinky wrote: »

You do understand that the GRO is going to search the same indexes that we have on www.irishgenealogy.ie and GRONI?

I think you would be better served contacting the church directly and asking about their parish registers. Whoever Irish World are, they must have gotten to transcribe the records from the parish. It would be unusual by 1898 for a church record to omit the parents' names. The civil record, if it exists, will only give you the fathers' names and it won't tell you what religion someone is.

There are three RC churches in Aghaloo, I assume its the one in Aughnacloy town itself. ​

https://www.facebook.com/aghalooparish/

I'll give them an email.

Irish World told me they got their records back from the database of Armagh diocesan archive in the late 1980s when the Company first started up.

tabbey

SharpshooterTom wrote: »

There are three RC churches in Aghaloo, I assume its the one in Aughnacloy town itself. ​

https://www.facebook.com/aghalooparish/

I'll give them an email.

Irish World told me they got their records back from the database of Armagh diocesan archive in the late 1980s when the Company first started up.

Doesn't matter which church it is, if they are all RC, they will be in the one parish register, maintained by the parish priest.

Only caveat is that in the twentieth century, some of these parishes have been broken down into separate parishes, but the historic records would have been in a combined register.

pinkypinky

I would not assume but they'll probably have all the historic records in one location at this stage.