F1 2021 Round 7 : French GP (Paul Ricard)

Irishjg

One stop races are sh1te. Look at the difference a two stopper makes.

Faugheen

2011 wrote: »

Hamilton was quite humble in the interview. Fair play.

To the surprise of nobody who actually pays attention rather than pulling nonsense out of their arse.

ctrl-alt-delete

2011 wrote: »

Hamilton was quite humble in the interview. Fair play.

He was (not so sure he will be off camera and rightly so), I'd rather see Max win this championship myself - but given how things are going, If Lewis does manage to win it he will have earned it (unlike some opinions on his previous ones).

BrentMused

Love those tactical battles.

Those strategists are worth every single penny that they earn.

murphyebass

Faugheen wrote: »

That's not why it's sad, in fact I agree with everything you just said

It's the fact that after all of that, the first thing you do is laugh at Hamilton. That's sad.

Can’t stand him. So yes, delighted he was bested today.

For what it’s worth I think he’ll still win the championship unfortunately.

ctrl-alt-delete

Those trophies are horrendous looking.

murphyebass

Faugheen wrote: »

To the surprise of nobody who actually pays attention rather than pulling nonsense out of their arse.

Lol, would ya stop he’s the most insincere person on the planet. The dog on the street can see it.

Irishjg

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Those trophies are horrendous looking.

Yep they are mank.

LuckyGent88

What a superb championship we have going on. Both titles are going to go right down to the wire I think.

Hamilton raced superbly but merc had an absolute mare and while they should have listened to Bottas; bottas had to do a better job in defending from versteppen

Faugheen

murphyebass wrote: »

Lol, would ya stop he’s the most insincere person on the planet. The dog on the street can see it.

No no, I'll stick to the facts, thanks.

Someone else tried that shtick a few weeks ago after Monaco and they haven't actually been seen around here since such as how far back in their box they were put.

Joeface

Ok Paul Ricard I apologize , you can host a good race . Battle at the front great stuff.

5 back to 10 all those points scores had great drives.
There were a lot of on track overtakes today and the unknown tires at the start made it .

Ferrari just fell apart as the race went on ,

Alpha Tauri could be the third best team if Gasly had a bit of support , I know Tsonda is in his first season but it is a capable car

McLaren will be happy to have 5&6 grabbed in the race with Riccardo really improved for the race and Norris was great from the pit stop on.

Alpine , good drive from Alonso , Ocon could possibly have been in the points just stayed out too long .

Aston have to happy with their first double points finish. Feel Vettel should have caught that group ahead and grabbed one or 2 places . Stroll did really well 9 places and into the points . Not a bad job at all.

2 more weeks of this stuff

2011

Faugheen wrote: »

To the surprise of nobody who actually pays attention rather than pulling nonsense out of their arse.

Let’s not turn my compliment into a negative.

Itssoeasy

Irishjg wrote: »

Yep they are mank.

They are awful Looking trophies. What were the french lads thinking ?

Irishjg

Oh my god … the anthems. Band sound drunk

Rossi IRL

At least the trophy looks different to the standard vase

lolie

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Those trophies are horrendous looking.

Yes, i wouldn't give them for winning an egg and spoon race never mind an F1 GP.

murphyebass

Faugheen wrote: »

No no, I'll stick to the facts, thanks.

Someone else tried that shtick a few weeks ago after Monaco and they haven't actually been seen around here since such as how far back in their box they were put.

How is it a fact? It’s an observation and opinion at best. You might want to look up what fact means there mate.

He’s a very good driver in a VERY good car but he’s still an insincere twat at the best of times.

flazio

Leave the "talk about Lewis" elsewhere please.
Great race and Lewis played his part in making it a great race.

Faugheen

2011 wrote: »

Let’s not turn my compliment into a negative.

I'm just saying we hear more than once a season about how humble he is.

It's comments like that which make it sound like he doesn't have a humble bone in his body when every race he wins he always, always thanks the team first.

Comments like that fuel those around here that like to say that he doesn't do it.

R00ster

I wonder if they practiced the Russian anthem in case Mazepin won?

flazio

R00ster wrote: »

I wonder if they practiced the Russian anthem in case Mazepin won?

There's been a Russian winner already in F3. He's been allowed to keep his flag on the graphics.

murphyebass

flazio wrote: »

Leave the "talk about Lewis" elsewhere please.
Great race and Lewis played his part in making it a great race.

He did.

And as for the race there was lots of other outside of the top 4 that was fantastic to watch. DR looked very racey in spots as did Lando.

Really enjoyed the race overall which I really wasn’t expecting to say. Was expecting a snooze fest.

pjohnson

afatbollix wrote: »

Perez would have also pitted and gone for the fastest lap. No point really.

Horner must be raging his driver affected Merc strategy.

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

Someone else tried that shtick a few weeks ago after Monaco and they haven't actually been seen around here since such as how far back in their box they were put.

Irishjg

R00ster wrote: »

I wonder if they practiced the Russian anthem in case Mazepin won?

Wasn’t there an issue with the anthem at spa in 98 when Jordan won the race. My memory is a bit foggy on it but something in the back of my mind.

antodeco

Irishjg wrote: »

Wasn’t there an issue with the anthem at spa in 98 when Jordan won the race. My memory is a bit foggy on it but something in the back of my mind.

Yeah they didnt know the Irish anthem. It was like when Irvine won. What flag to put up

Burkie1203

Irishjg wrote: »

Wasn’t there an issue with the anthem at spa in 98 when Jordan won the race. My memory is a bit foggy on it but something in the back of my mind.

Was rather different race with Eddie Irvine?

Gaoth Laidir

Rosberg was pretty blunt about Lewis there, saying he was too soft when Max passed him. "Close the damn door, Lewis" were his words.

quokula

Stunning champions drive from Max. Merc had comfortably the fastest race car but Red Bull played the strategy perfectly and Max was absolutely supreme hunting down Lewis, Hamilton cracked and ran off track to let him in striking distance, and Verstappen was utterly clinical with the overtake.

Mercedes Will have questions to answer how they lost the race with such a pace advantage, particularly the way they threw away Bottas race by intentionally sacrificing him in a futile attempt to hold Max up.

The A1 Ring is theoretically a decent Mercedes track on paper but it’s always an incident packed race and they’ve been very error prone there so the next couple of races could be crucial.

quokula

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Rosberg was pretty blunt about Lewis there, saying he was too soft when Max passed him. "Close the damn door, Lewis" were his words.

His experience when they were teammates is that Lewis would always force him into a position where they’d either collide or he’d have to get out of it. Hamilton doesn’t have that luxury against a driver from an opposing team who would stand his ground though.

Irishjg

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Was rather different race with Eddie Irvine?

I never mentioned Irvine. I’m referring to the Jordan F1 team and the team anthem. Irvine wasn’t even driving for Jordan in 98.Damon Hill and Ralf Schumacher were the teams drivers.

Hijpo

Fantastic for max. A great honest and clean race win for him.
Didn't win by default based on a mechnical failure or bad pit stop etc

And stroll making up 9 places.

2011

quokula wrote: »

Mercedes Will have questions to answer how they lost the race with such a pace advantage, particularly the way they threw away Bottas race by intentionally sacrificing him in a futile attempt to hold Max up.

Indeed. This was just confirmed by Toto.

JeffKenna

Faugheen wrote: »

No no, I'll stick to the facts, thanks.

Someone else tried that shtick a few weeks ago after Monaco and they haven't actually been seen around here since such as how far back in their box they were put.

You put people back in their box by reporting posts, how brave.

Burkie1203

Irishjg wrote: »

I never mentioned Irvine. I’m referring to the Jordan F1 team and the team anthem. Irvine wasn’t even driving for Jordan in 98.Damon Hill and Ralf Schumacher were the teams drivers.

I think the anthem issue came up with Eddie Irvine. Not with Jordan

H3llR4iser

Irishjg wrote: »

Wasn’t there an issue with the anthem at spa in 98 when Jordan won the race. My memory is a bit foggy on it but something in the back of my mind.

IIRC it wasn't even the only time there was an issue with the Irish anthem, in terms of "they had no idea where to get it" .

On the other hand, again IIRC, Irvine had the Irish tricolour behind him on the podium in Buenos Aires, 1997. I think his family got threats after that (as if he put the flag on himself). Obviously, it HAD to be in Argentina...

murphyebass wrote: »

He did.

And as for the race there was lots of other outside of the top 4 that was fantastic to watch. DR looked very racey in spots as did Lando.

Really enjoyed the race overall which I really wasn’t expecting to say. Was expecting a snooze fest.

Yup, never understood the hate for this track - it doesn't have anything "less" than others, except for the gawdy colours of the escape areas. Back in the 1980s, when they used the "short" version, it was actually guaranteed to produce interesting races, even 'though in the end Prost would usually pull a win. We've just been very unlucky since its reintroduction that the competition had been, well, non-existent.
Back then 'though, Signes was one of the scariest corners on the calendar, it really took a great chassis and a set of cojones to keep it down through it.

iffandonlyif

I didn’t watch the race. Power cut right before the start. But from what I’ve gathered from text and BBC radio commentary…

Bottas, Verstappen and Hamilton pitted on successive laps. Mercedes had half of Bottas’s outlap to decide whether to pit Hamilton. They decided not to, retaining track position, and Verstappen pitted, covering Bottas. In hindsight, it was a mistake, but hardly a blunder.

In the second round, Red Bull took away the undercut opportunity by pitting early, which forced Mercedes onto the one-stop strategy (pitting after Verstappen would likely not have benefited them).

They left out Bottas, knowing it would screw over his race, in the hope he would slow up Verstappen.

Despite all that, Hamilton was only a lap and a half from the win. Better defending by Bottas could have made the difference.

I’ve just seen Rosberg saying the obvious that drivers, in the heat of the moment, should not be making strategy calls. There’s a team of expert strategy engineers with all the data in front of them. The people at home who think they knew better than the engineers, to bring in Hamilton earlier, are right for the wrong reasons.

Sabre0001

Considering how quickly VER pulled away, closing the door harder would likely have only delayed the inevitable by a moment.

It's nice that we've had some unpredictablity to keep things entertaining over last couple of races. I don't want to see people crash because of exploding tyres but we need some question marks. Drivers getting onto different strategies today made it a much more interesting race.

duploelabs

Bottas let's his feelings known to his engineer

https://streamable.com/u7wn5v

R00ster

Yeah, GSTQ was played at Spa 98, much to EJ's chagrin.
They had the right one in France and Italy in 1999.
Of course, it wasn't played at Interlagos in 2003 because the win was initially given to Raikkonen.
Wonder if we'll ever hear Amhrán na bhFiann played at a GP again...

lolie

Great result from Russell to finish 12th with no retirements, seen very little of him during the race.

ElisaAtWar

It's clear Mercedes are willing to push Bottas under a bus. Will it be George Russell taking over next year?

TheQ_Man

Burkie1203 wrote: »

I think the anthem issue came up with Eddie Irvine. Not with Jordan

The flag was the issue with Irvine. His family received death threats after he finished second in Argentina 1997 and the Irish flag was displayed. Irish flag also at Canada 1995.

As for Irving’s victories, it was god save the Queen for all 4 in 1999 along with a Union Jack. Post Argentina I don’t think they messed it up again

flazio

Who said it better?
David Croft
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1406635160104321032?s=19

Ben Edwards
https://twitter.com/FormulaPolls/status/1406643373637836803?s=19

jv2000

I really enjoyed that race but was officially worried when Hamilton did his usual "these tyres are almost gone" routine. I thought he was definitely going to win when he said that. Still don't know why they didn't pit Bottas for a shot at fastest lap. It is now very clear Mercedes have no respect for Bottas, they hav have completely given up hiding it.

El_Duderino 09

R00ster wrote: »

Yeah, GSTQ was played at Spa 98, much to EJ's chagrin.
They had the right one in France and Italy in 1999.
Of course, it wasn't played at Interlagos in 2003 because the win was initially given to Raikkonen.
Wonder if we'll ever hear Amhrán na bhFiann played at a GP again...

Verty hard to see where an Irish team or driver would be on the grid at the moment. Never say never, but no sign of one on the horizon at the moment.

Maybe Google or Apple would buy a team and since they're headquartered in Ireland, would register the team in Ireland. Not likely (or particularly desirable).

We had the RTE director of sport talk to us in school and he said he was in the car on the way to a GP and was travelling with Eddie Irvine's dad in Eddie's Ferrari days. He got a call from someone claiming to be from one of the loyalist terrorist groups, telling him that Eddie better fly the Union Jack if he gets on the podium this weekend.

El_Duderino 09

Much better race than expected.

How much of it was down to the track reprofiling and how much was the washed track causing them to expectedly go from 1 pit stop to 2?

El_Duderino 09

jv2000 wrote: »

I really enjoyed that race but was officially worried when Hamilton did his usual "these tyres are almost gone" routine. I thought he was definitely going to win when he said that. Still don't know why they didn't pit Bottas for a shot at fastest lap. It is now very clear Mercedes have no respect for Bottas, they hav have completely given up hiding it.

They're treating him as a real No.2. Must be hard to take if he wasn't signed to be a no.2. He kept telling his engineer that his tyres were gone and the engineer sounded embarrassed telling him he understood. But the team were just leaving him out to slow down Max.

Bottas might be happier at Williams where he would be treated as a normal driver.

JeffKenna

jv2000 wrote: »

I really enjoyed that race but was officially worried when Hamilton did his usual "these tyres are almost gone" routine. I thought he was definitely going to win when he said that. Still don't know why they didn't pit Bottas for a shot at fastest lap. It is now very clear Mercedes have no respect for Bottas, they hav have completely given up hiding it.

I think they wanted to see if Perez got a time penalty for the overtake. An investigation message came up so that's the only logic I could see.

murphyebass

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They're treating him as a real No.2. Must be hard to take if he wasn't signed to be a no.2. He kept telling his engineer that his tyres were gone and the engineer sounded embarrassed telling him he understood. But the team were just leaving him out to slow down Max.

Bottas might be happier at Williams where he would be treated as a normal driver.

He’s an average driver so he would suit that team alright.

George looks like he could give Hamilton a run for his money but they don’t want Rosberg V2 or worse, as in George could be better than Rosberg.

It’s a shame cause I’d love to see Hamilton actually pushed to see how he’d hold up to actual in team competition. Right now it’s his team and until he leaves Bottas is the ideal 2nd driver.

Perez was a fantastic get for RB and I reckon he could step up to Max in time. Already showing promise. Bottas will never get to that level.

I’m also impressed at how delusional Bottas is in thinking he can compete in the Merc. He’s shown time and time again he is good in qualy but just bottles it come race day.

Edit.. today may not have been his fault but that’s one in how many drives over his time in a Merc.

All that said I’m sure he sleeps well at night on a bed of money.