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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I would meet him half way and be happy with that

    I'm happy enough, he has a folksy way of juggling numbers and it can look clumsy, I fully appreciate that 6 X 6 corner posts are way more expensive than 6 x 3 but he also accepted that he saved on base materials as well as time by the pergola being sited on same base as patio

    Thanks to all contributors to the thread, it shouldn't be taboo to play hardball on details, this guy isn't one of them but plenty of contractors do exploit the tendency in this country to be overly passive about figures

    My mother in law is being charged extortionate fees by a carpenter to fit eight doors and lay laminate on a hall at the moment


  • Subscribers Posts: 40,722 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    this thread reminds me of this old meme

    Project-Construction-Swing-Cartoon.png


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    I'm happy enough, he has a folksy way of juggling numbers and it can look clumsy, I fully appreciate that 6 X 6 corner posts are way more expensive than 6 x 3 but he also accepted that he saved on base materials as well as time by the pergola being sited on same base as patio

    Thanks to all contributors to the thread, it shouldn't be taboo to play hardball on details, this guy isn't one of them but plenty of contractors do exploit the tendency in this country to be overly passive about figures

    My mother in law is being charged extortionate fees by a carpenter to fit eight doors and lay laminate on a hall at the moment

    great that you got sorted.
    he save on one hand but it took longer on the other to put the patio around the pergola


    go on and tell us how much the carpenter is charging per door and per m for the laminate


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    great that you got sorted.
    he save on one hand but it took longer on the other to put the patio around the pergola


    go on and tell us how much the carpenter is charging per door and per m for the laminate

    like i said Pen , Im happy we reached an amicable conclusion as I hope to have him back again for a half day per year to look over things ( his idea early on )

    on the door installation and laminate in my mother and laws house

    eight doors ( which each have a glass panel ) supplied and installed , hall is 20 metres squared ( 13 x 1.5 )

    total including labour = eight thousand , he did not provide an itemised quote ( in terms of labour per door or per square yard installation of laminate ) bar saying each door is 300 euro ( including handles , hinges etc )


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    like i said Pen , Im happy we reached an amicable conclusion as I hope to have him back again for a half day per year to look over things ( his idea early on )

    on the door installation and laminate in my mother and laws house

    eight doors ( which each have a glass panel ) supplied and installed , hall is 20 metres squared ( 13 x 1.5 )

    total including labour = eight thousand , he did not provide an itemised quote ( in terms of labour per door or per square yard installation of laminate ) bar saying each door is 300 euro ( including handles , hinges etc )

    Hard to tell without all the details but to seems very high.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Hard to tell without all the details but to seems very high.

    i got ten Deanta doors fitted with handles and hinges for 2 k in 2014 , now i know that was a very different time but 8 k seems extremely steep ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    i got ten Deanta doors fitted with handles and hinges for 2 k in 2014 , now i know that was a very different time but 8 k seems extremely steep ?

    Seems very expensive as you you say. . Is there new frames and architraves etc
    What type of floor and is skirting coming off or slipsetc


  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭a fat guy


    A common tactic in carpentry when you don't want to deal with a ****ty customer is to charge a massive fee.

    That way you get whatever your time and additional headspace is worth by the end of the job, regardless of how bad the customer is.

    I reckon this would explain at least some of the weird price jobs people come across for this kind of work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    a fat guy wrote: »
    A common tactic in carpentry when you don't want to deal with a ****ty customer is to charge a massive fee.

    That way you get whatever your time and additional headspace is worth by the end of the job, regardless of how bad the customer is.

    I reckon this would explain at least some of the weird price jobs people come across for this kind of work.

    the retired couple im referring to would be too polite for their own good and the tradesman probably recognised that , my mother in laws husband is the type to nearly offer more than he was asked


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    a fat guy wrote: »
    A common tactic in carpentry when you don't want to deal with a ****ty customer is to charge a massive fee.

    That way you get whatever your time and additional headspace is worth by the end of the job, regardless of how bad the customer is.

    I reckon this would explain at least some of the weird price jobs people come across for this kind of work.

    there is nothing wrong with that. not all jobs are equal.
    a quote is how much money it will take for the trademan to do the job. there are lots of factors that make up that equasion and making a PITA job worth while is perfectly fine


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  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭a fat guy


    there is nothing wrong with that. not all jobs are equal.
    a quote is how much money it will take for the trademan to do the job. there are lots of factors that make up that equasion and making a PITA job worth while is perfectly fine

    My phrasing is coming off as harsher than I intended if you thought that, I'm actually 100% in favour of charging bad customers more for work (My father does this sometimes!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭a fat guy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    the retired couple im referring to would be too polite for their own good and the tradesman probably recognised that , my mother in laws husband is the type to nearly offer more than he was asked

    I'm not sure why the job was priced like that then.

    The only other thing could be that the tradesmen are up the walls with work at the moment and want to charge extra to make up for the lack of sleep they'll be getting with all the work they'll need to finish in a short period of time. Same idea as before, but due to lack of time rather than a bad customer attitude.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    a fat guy wrote: »
    I'm not sure why the job was priced like that then.

    The only other thing could be that the tradesmen are up the walls with work at the moment and want to charge extra to make up for the lack of sleep they'll be getting with all the work they'll need to finish in a short period of time. Same idea as before, but due to lack of time rather than a bad customer attitude.

    Heard it all now


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Heard it all now

    if you work late or a saturdays or bank holiday etc do you do it for your normal rate. unlikely. you would expect overtime or time in leiu etc.
    it would only be fair to charge more for out of hours


  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭a fat guy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Heard it all now

    Not sure why you'd even post that.

    Unless you just didn't like tradesmen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    a fat guy wrote: »
    Not sure why you'd even post that.

    Unless you just didn't like tradesmen.

    the idea someone would be expected to pay more because the tradesman was burning it at both ends ?

    be funny if you were not serious


  • Registered Users Posts: 800 ✭✭✭a fat guy


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    the idea someone would be expected to pay more because the tradesman was burning it at both ends ?

    be funny if you were not serious

    The only joke here is your lack of understanding lad, but based on everything you've posted here I'm not surprised you just don't get how business works.

    Edit: good luck to you, I tried explaining but it's not worth the effort.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    a fat guy wrote: »
    The only joke here is your lack of understanding lad, but based on everything you've posted here I'm not surprised you just don't get how business works.

    Edit: good luck to you, I tried explaining but it's not worth the effort.

    I know how BS merchants work thankfully


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    if you work late or a saturdays or bank holiday etc do you do it for your normal rate. unlikely. you would expect overtime or time in leiu etc.
    it would only be fair to charge more for out of hours

    Are you suggesting that tradesmen who are too busy to do all the work they take on between 8 and 5 start charging extra for jobs that they decide to work after 5 or on a Saturday ?

    That's just a crazy attitude to take .


    Nobody forces anyone to take on extra work .


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Juwwi wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that tradesmen who are too busy to do all the work they take on between 8 and 5 start charging extra for jobs that they decide to work after 5 or on a Saturday ?

    That's just a crazy attitude to take .


    Nobody forces anyone to take on extra work .

    of course thats what im suggesting.
    whats crazy about it.

    would you do extra work for normal money
    if a customer wants work done during those times and wont wait then they will have to pay for it.
    you dont expect a plumber or spark to call out out of hours and pay normal rates why should other trades be diferent


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    of course thats what im suggesting.
    whats crazy about it.

    would you do extra work for normal money
    if a customer wants work done during those times and wont wait then they will have to pay for it.
    you dont expect a plumber or spark to call out out of hours and pay normal rates why should other trades be diferent

    A plumber or a electrician getting called out after hours is totally different to what your suggesting about charging extra for a Saturday , also about customers not willing to wait that's different also .

    The idea that a carpenter is so busy because he's taking on too much work charges the woman more for putting down a laminate floor on a Saturday than he charged the lady who he put down a laminate floor on Friday is ridiculous , and just ripping people off if anyone is actually doing this .

    Now l know everyone has the option of getting 3 quotes and nobody is forced to go with the Saturday quote but this conversation started because of the OP in laws seem the type of people who are probably too trusting of people and there's plenty of those type of people out there .


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    8 doors to remove existing, fit, hinge and lock could take no more than
    2 hours per door max.
    And i dont care if 6 of them were in a hobitts house down the lane.:D

    Its not possible to take longer than 2 good days, unless you were sleeping on day 1:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Juwwi wrote:
    Are you suggesting that tradesmen who are too busy to do all the work they take on between 8 and 5 start charging extra for jobs that they decide to work after 5 or on a Saturday ?


    As a tradesman I can confirm that this is exactly what most tradesmen do. We are entitled to extra payment for out of hours work the same as any worker.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Juwwi wrote: »
    A plumber or a electrician getting called out after hours is totally different to what your suggesting about charging extra for a Saturday , also about customers not willing to wait that's different also .

    The idea that a carpenter is so busy because he's taking on too much work charges the woman more for putting down a laminate floor on a Saturday than he charged the lady who he put down a laminate floor on Friday is ridiculous , and just ripping people off if anyone is actually doing this .

    Now l know everyone has the option of getting 3 quotes and nobody is forced to go with the Saturday quote but this conversation started because of the OP in laws seem the type of people who are probably too trusting of people and there's plenty of those type of people out there .

    whats diferent about a plumber or spark getting called out and another trade.
    my days off are valuble to me so i shouldbe compensated for giving those up.

    if the woman wants the laminate down and wont wait for it to be put down during the week then she is asking for a diferent service than during the week. that service comes at a premiem . most of the time i wold never charge extra for a saturday but if it was a saturday after working all week for that customer i would .
    nothing wrong with that

    no body is getting ripped of by someone charging for their time


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    @Sleeper .
    What's out of hours work tho ?
    If a customer doesn't ask for the work done out of hours and is happy for it to be done Monday to Friday it isn't out of hours work if you decide to work later in an evening .

    A plumber ,electrician ,Dyno Rod all called out after hours were someone is on call l agree with .

    But a carpenter who decides he's going to work an extra few Saturdays is wrong .

    I know nobody is forced to go with these quotes .


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    whats diferent about a plumber or spark getting called out and another trade.
    my days off are valuble to me so i shouldbe compensated for giving those up.

    if the woman wants the laminate down and wont wait for it to be put down during the week then she is asking for a diferent service than during the week. that service comes at a premiem . most of the time i wold never charge extra for a saturday but if it was a saturday after working all week for that customer i would .
    nothing wrong with that

    no body is getting ripped of by someone charging for their time

    Your changing the goal posts now .

    Nobody is talking about the woman who is only available on a Saturday .
    This started about trades charging extra because they are busy , it's obvious I'm not talking about jobs that's can only be done out of hours ,


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Juwwi wrote: »
    Your changing the goal posts now .

    Nobody is talking about the woman who is only available on a Saturday .
    This started about trades charging extra because they are busy , it's obvious I'm not talking about jobs that's can only be done out of hours ,

    these customers only want the work done out of hours because you are too busy during normal hours


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Juwwi wrote:
    @Sleeper . What's out of hours work tho ? If a customer doesn't ask for the work done out of hours and is happy for it to be done Monday to Friday it isn't out of hours work if you decide to work later in an evening .


    The same as anyone else. Anything over 39 hours imo. If I employ several plumbers & send one out to you in the evening, Saturday, Sunday and Bank Holiday I have to pay him time and a half or double time. I will have to charge you time & a half or double time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    During the last recession most customers had the attitude of ye should be glad of the work ,well now we don’t need the work and are charging customers accordingly .Simple supply and demand.

    If I was a customer, I would hold onto my money and wait for the crash which I doubt is too far away.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    As a tradesman I can confirm that this is exactly what most tradesmen do. We are entitled to extra payment for out of hours work the same as any worker.

    So it's just plain bad luck if customer X happens to find themselves pencilled in for a job on weekends even they booked the job three months earlier?

    Bizarre rationale


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