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UEFA refuse to sanction illuminating Munich Stadium in rainbow colours

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    #242
    VinLieger
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

    Next year's world cup is in Qatar. Football is for everyone, not just for people with the same values as you.


    I fail to comprehend what point you and others are trying to make when you bring up Qatar? Do you for some reason believe that anyone offended by UEFAs defacto support of Hungary's homophobic polices is for some reason wholly in support of the world cup in Qatar?


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    #243
    [Deleted User]
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Do you think any attempt will be made to shame Qatar's position on LGBT during any of the matches?
    I have absolutely no idea, I don't think it should be hosted there though. Your point seems to be, why aren't people going to go over to be arrested by an authoritarian regime? The fact that you can't protest there is a pretty good reason to not hold a tournament there. So still no got'cha moment.


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    #244
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    VinLieger wrote: »
    I fail to comprehend what point you and others are trying to make when you bring up Qatar? Do you for some reason believe that anyone offended by UEFAs defacto support of Hungary's homophobic polices is for some reason wholly in support of the world cup in Qatar?
    It's not UEFA's role to support Hungary's policies on anything. It is their role to organise football tournaments.


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    #245
    Faugheen
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Do you think any attempt will be made to shame Qatar's position on LGBT during any of the matches?

    Why are you so upset about Qatar and not Hungary?


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    #246
    Faugheen
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    It's not UEFA's role to support Hungary's policies on anything. It is their role to organise football tournaments.

    But they can make it their role to oppose what Germany want to do.


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    #247
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Why are you so upset about Qatar and not Hungary?
    I think Hungary is a relatively soft target and Qatar is obviously a lot worse


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    #248
    suicide_circus
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    But they can make it their role to oppose what Germany want to do.
    What Germany want to do in a Uefa tournament


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    #249
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    I wonder if Germany were playing Saudi Arabia if they would pull the same stunt?


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    #250
    [Deleted User]
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm also perfectly aware of this and think it's an absolute disgrace that it's being held there. I actually think in general, people should hold the organisations to account. So ya, don't host events in locations where people are actively dying building stadiums. You seem to think you're making some got'cha point when I imagine most of the people who oppose Hungary's human rights record are pretty much the same on Qatar.

    Except Qatar is far worse isn’t it? Hungary has legalised homosexuality (and for far longer than Ireland) and civil partner ships. Qatar has the death penalty.


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    #251
    extra gravy
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    https://twitter.com/AdamGMillington/status/1407802638054342662?s=19

    In front of the "Carpathian Brigade"...hope they enjoyed it :)


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    #252
    [Deleted User]
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    Why are you so upset about Qatar and not Hungary?

    ? Not sure if serious.


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    #253
    [Deleted User]
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AdamGMillington/status/1407802638054342662?s=19

    In front of the "Carpathian Brigade"...hope they enjoyed it :)

    Good man. Keep it up in Qatar and he’s a hero.


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    #254
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Sadler Peak wrote: »
    Won't be killed in Hungary. Good chance you will be killed or imprisoned in Qatar, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Iraq. Virtue signal in one of these countries and you WILL die or go to jail.

    Not during the world cup, and you ignored the question.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #255
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    extra gravy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AdamGMillington/status/1407802638054342662?s=19

    In front of the "Carpathian brigade"...hope they enjoyed it :)

    Well they only drew the match so unfortunately homophobia will be allowed for a few more years pending a re-match.

    Those lovely tolerant germans though, always big fans of the gays.....


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    #256
    [Deleted User]
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    I fail to comprehend what point you and others are trying to make when you bring up Qatar? Do you for some reason believe that anyone offended by UEFAs defacto support of Hungary's homophobic polices is for some reason wholly in support of the world cup in Qatar?

    It’s simple.

    Qatar is far far worse. Qatar is even worse than Ireland in the Jackie Charlton era. It has the death penalty for homosexuality. That’s legal in Hungary and has been since 1961. 30 years longer than Ireland. Hungary has civil partnership.

    So maybe the protests should be stronger than against Hungary. Maybe a boycott.

    In fact nothing will happen.


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    #257
    extra gravy
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    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Those lovely tolerant germans though, always big fans of the gays.....

    Progress is great isn't it!


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    #258
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    fvp4 wrote: »
    It’s simple.

    Qatar is far far worse. Qatar is even worse than Ireland in the Jackie Charlton era. It has the death penalty for homosexuality. That’s legal in Hungary and has been since 1961. 30 years longer than Ireland. It has civil partnership.

    So maybe the protests should be stronger than against Hungary. Maybe a boycott.

    In fact nothing will happen.

    You are failing to understand something VERY critical, Hungary are white people and have benefitted throughout history from White privelege and Qatar only kills gays cos of the influence of European colonialism or something.....:P

    Basically, you cannot win woke points on social media by siding against people with darker skin so whats the point?


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    #259
    Strumms
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    Faugheen wrote: »
    Why are you so upset about Qatar and not Hungary?

    Male homosexuality is illegal in Qatar, with a punishment of up to three years in prison ... They have spent years on a decision and have chosen to have a World Cup there....

    Homosexuality is not illegal in Hungary..


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    #260
    Faugheen
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Male homosexuality is illegal in Qatar, with a punishment of up to three years in prison ... They have spent years on a decision and have chosen to have a World Cup there....

    Homosexuality is not illegal in Hungary..

    But not even allowed to talk about it to under 18s is just fine?

    Why can’t they both be repulsive? What is it with so many people here comparing two bad things to make one of those bad things look fine?

    It’s absolutely fine to despise Qatar and this situation as well. The World Cup should never be held in a country like Qatar for many, many reasons including its attitudes towards homosexuals.

    There seems to be a big cohort of people defending everything Hungary does under the guise of ‘no politics in football’ when football is an entirely political and commercial entity that offers zero protection against racism or homophobia.


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    #261
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But not even allowed to talk about it to under 18s is just fine?

    Why can’t they both be repulsive? What is it with so many people here comparing two bad things to make one of those bad things look fine?

    It’s absolutely fine to despise Qatar and this situation as well. The World Cup should never be held in a country like Qatar for many, many reasons including its attitudes towards homosexuals.

    There seems to be a big cohort of people defending everything Hungary does under the guise of ‘no politics in football’ when football is an entirely political and commercial entity that offers zero protection against racism or homophobia.

    Nobody is trying to ‘make’ anything look fine...

    Hungary have rights to protect homosexuals against persecution.... Qatar...hmmm no.


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    #262
    [Deleted User]
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Nobody is trying to ‘make’ anything look fine...

    Hungary have rights to protect homosexuals against persecution.... Qatar...hmmm no.

    And? As stated by a fair few posters, we oppose Qatar's Policy. If anything, a huge reason that results in people calling out Hungary is it's far closer to home and they're in the EU. Regressive policies by the likes of Hungary are firstly illegal under EU law which they signed up to. Secondly, they are actively violating human rights law. You might choose not to care but to be annoyed at other's viewing it as an issue?

    Your logic also seems a bit like, "Oh Germany might not be allowing Jewish people to have jobs but there's purges happening in Russia, not hearing about that eh?" Horrific treatment of citizens start small and incrementally take away freedoms. It's not something we should ignore.


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    #263
    Strumms
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And? As stated by a fair few posters, we oppose Qatar's Policy. If anything, a huge reason that results in people calling out Hungary is it's far closer to home and they're in the EU. Regressive policies by the likes of Hungary are firstly illegal under EU law which they signed up to. Secondly, they are actively violating human rights law. You might choose not to care but to be annoyed at other's viewing it as an issue?

    Your logic also seems a bit like, "Oh Germany might not be allowing Jewish people to have jobs but there's purges happening in Russia, not hearing about that eh?" Horrific treatment of citizens start small and incrementally take away freedoms. It's not something we should ignore.

    Hungary is far closer to home ? That geographical titbit really doesn’t have much bearing, neither does EU membership, what’s unjust in the EU isn’t somehow just worthy of minimizing it and excusing it in further afield jurisdictions...

    If you a person with credibility and who values fairness you won’t let borders dictate what is right, wrong, to be called out or not.

    But as usual certain people like to choose through their rose tinted glasses the injustices that suit them...


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    #264
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Hungary is far closer to home ? That geographical titbit really doesn’t have much bearing, neither does EU membership, what’s unjust in the EU isn’t somehow just worthy of minimizing it and excusing it in further afield jurisdictions...

    Plenty of freedoms have and are been eroded here, the freedom of ‘taxpayers’ avail of a standard of health care necessary to enable recovery from serious long term illnesses being one...

    But as usual certain people like to choose through their rose tinted glasses the injustices that suit them...

    It's actually pretty serious in terms of the union to have nations that undermine principles of it.

    And no, our health service being shoddy is not equivalent to a member state of the EU moving towards authoritarianism. I say that as a person with a long term illness with plenty of experience of the system, it's just an incredibly stupid comparison...

    Also, don't believe any poster has excused Qatar's human rights record. You appear to be trying to with Hungary though.


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    #265
    Donald Trump
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    fvp4 wrote: »
    Qatar is far far worse. Qatar is even worse than Ireland in the Jackie Charlton era.


    I don't think that you can blame Charlton for everything


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    #266
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's actually pretty serious in terms of the union to have nations that undermine principles of it.

    And no, our health service being shoddy is not equivalent to a member state of the EU moving towards authoritarianism. I say that as a person with a long term illness with plenty of experience of the system, it's just an incredibly stupid comparison...

    Also, don't believe any poster has excused Qatar's human rights record. You appear to be trying to with Hungary though.

    You can think what you like about the comparison, discuss it... we can do so here, and in Hungary too....

    Qatar ?

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/QATAR-2020-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf


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    #267
    Christy42
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    Strumms wrote: »
    You can think what you like about the comparison, discuss it... we can do so here, and in Hungary too....

    Qatar ?

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/QATAR-2020-HUMAN-RIGHTS-REPORT.pdf

    You are just going to do your damndest to not discuss the fact that Hungary has anti lgbt laws aren't you? Yes Qatar and a good few others are worse. Hungary is getting discussed because they are moving to make things worse for lgbt people than it was in Hungary a few years ago.

    And also because we can also talk about the comparison between modern day Germany and modern day Hungary.

    Hungary fares pretty badly in that regard. Germans also have the right to disagree with Hungary's laws and several of their players and politicians have expressed this opinion. Hence the stadiums lit up. Can you find me a statement saying they agree with Qatar's laws?


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    #268
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But they can make it their role to oppose what Germany want to do.

    Germany made no requests to UEFA. Munich’s Hazel Chu did. The DFB didn’t ask anything.


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    #269
    Dick Turnip
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Dick Turnip


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Do you think any attempt will be made to shame Qatar's position on LGBT during any of the matches?

    This whole debate came after Munich council/local authorities wanted to light up the stadium that the game was in. So no, I don't think any of the Qatari local authorities will be requesting similar.

    If you're referring to the fan that ran on to the pitch, then sneering that they mightn't do so in Qatar isn't really that much of a gotcha. It was a German fan in Germany protesting, more power to them.

    Are you saying people should only protest if they're willing to go to jail for years for the cause?

    There's posters in this thread basically saying sure at least Hungary don't have a prison or death sentence for being gay, as if that absolves the regression they're taking on gay rights.


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    #270
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    fvp4 wrote: »
    The hysteria about the homophobia of Hungary - something about a children’s book or some such - seems way out of proportion given that a good proportion of the world actually bans homosexual acts and some countries have the death penalty on the books for those acts.

    Including Qatar. So what do do there? Well if you are demanding a rainbow flag be flown or stadium lights are lit up for a country where homosexuality and civil partnership is legal, what then with a world cup held in a country with the death penalty?

    A boycott for sure.
    The woke media have the gullible wrapped around their fingers.
    Every few years the nice and twee Commonwealth Games take place with not a rainbow flag or illumination in sight.
    Homosexuality is illegal in 35 of the 54 countries that are members of the British Commonwealth but lets not mention that.


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    #271
    Dick Turnip
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭Dick Turnip


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    The woke media have the gullible wrapped around their fingers.
    Every few years the nice and twee Commonwealth Games take place with not a rainbow flag or illumination in sight.
    Homosexuality is illegal in 35 of the 54 countries that are members of the British Commonwealth but lets not mention that.

    Are you saying there should be more protests or no protests?


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