Russia fire warning shots at British Navy

Gatling

No bombs dropped , shooting somewhere off in the distance
Russia spoofing no suprise there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPYAKL-f2M

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

America bad ,russia good yada yada yada

As bad as each other, the US has quite the criminal record itself..

Labaik

Gatling wrote: »

America bad ,russia good yada yada yada

1 out of 2 ain't bad.

Gatling

Labaik wrote: »

1 out of 2 ain't bad.

I remember when the bots actually believed in what they posted

Manic Moran

Freight bandit wrote: »

“The Royal Navy ship is conducting innocent passage through Ukrainian territorial waters in accordance with international law."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40320524.html

00.10 of the audio of the BBC reporter on board

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57589366

Someone needs to get their story straight....

Not mutually exclusive to make the point to Russia that innocent travel along shipping lanes from one country to the next will not be interfered with.

I mean, the Russians could do it as well. Just drive a military train on the agreed corridor through NATO territory to Kaliningrad. They tend to send the hardware by ship or air (also, I believe, through NATO waters and airspace) but the rail corridor does remain open for their use.

Labaik

Gatling wrote: »

Russia spoofing no suprise there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPYAKL-f2M

There in good company. Have they found them WMD's yet in Baghdad?

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

No bombs dropped , shooting somewhere off in the distance
Russia spoofing no suprise there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLPYAKL-f2M

Looks like they set out for provocation...and just happened to have a BBC reporter on board,the crew look freaked

paul71

Labaik wrote: »

Well when the world police is doing the same all around the world your not going to get a utopian universe where every country respects each others borders. One must look at there own wrong doings before they point the finger at others

The only annexed territories in the last 30 years I know of were 3 annexed by Russia, if I am incorrect please do point them out to me.

Gatling

Freight bandit wrote: »

,the crew look freaked

I'm sure the Russians were worse , imagine the horror lads there's professional sailors who's ship has more firepower than us over there and our leader wants us to die first .....

Sending 20 aircraft for one boat no a great deal of confidence in their own navy ,
I'd imagine that they wouldn't hang around if a few f22 and f35s Rocked up to the party

cnocbui

Freight bandit wrote: »

Looks like they set out for provocation...and just happened to have a BBC reporter on board,the crew look freaked

Novichok, Polonium 210 - that's what provocation looks like.

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

I'm sure the Russians were worse , imagine the horror lads there's professional sailors who's ship has more firepower than us over there and our leader wants us to die first .....

Sending 20 aircraft for one boat no a great deal of confidence in their own navy ,
I'd imagine that they wouldn't hang around if a few f22 and f35s Rocked up to the party

It would be over in half an hour for the UK....the whole country that is and probably us too

Gatling

Freight bandit wrote: »

It would be over in half an hour for the UK....the whole country that is and probably us too

Doubt it ,the powers that be in Russia would remove Putin first ,and take the loss of a few aircraft and boats than giving it all for Putin

Labaik

paul71 wrote: »

The only annexed territories in the last 30 years I know of were 3 annexed by Russia, if I am incorrect please do point them out to me.

I dont condone Russian actions. Western intervention is the biggest cause of instability in the world in the last 30 years, the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc flooding Europe with millions of refugees and setting the middle east alight, what moral authority does the British or Americans have to call out Russia for there wrongdoings (on there own border)?

Gatling

Labaik wrote: »

I dont condone Russian actions. Western intervention is the biggest cause of instability in the world in the last 30 years, the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan,

Afghanistan stable , western leaning country huge agriculture sector and then the Russians invaded and massacred it's government and proceeded to bomb the country into the stone age before having to retreat with their tails between their legs ,
History is terrible for reminders

Fiery mutant

Freight bandit wrote: »

It would be over in half an hour for the UK....the whole country that is and probably us too

lol, yeah sure it would. After they get their tugs to drag their decrepit navy half way across the world. A huge part of the Russian military are conscripts. In other words, cannon fodder.

As an earlier poster stated, half of the fear around confronting Russia, is down down to their absolute nutcase leader. He has no care for anyone, doesn’t care about feeding his minions to the wolves. If Russian troops get slaughtered, he won’t care about them, or shed a tear. it only his hard man image that will be bruised.

Labaik

Gatling wrote: »

Afghanistan stable , western leaning country huge agriculture sector and then the Russians invaded and massacred it's government and proceeded to bomb the country into the stone age before having to retreat with their tails between their legs ,
History is terrible for reminders

Is that when Bin Laden and the mujahideen went in with the backing of your beloved U.S. of A? How did that work out in the end?

Labaik

Fiery mutant wrote: »

lol, yeah sure it would. After they get their tugs to drag their decrepit navy half way across the world. A huge part of the Russian military are conscripts. In other words, cannon fodder.

As an earlier poster stated, half of the fear around confronting Russia, is down down to their absolute nutcase leader. He has no care for anyone, doesn’t care about feeding his minions to the wolves. If Russian troops get slaughtered, he won’t care about them, or shed a tear. it only his hard man image that will be bruised.

What wars has Putin send his troops into lately that they have died in there thousands. How many dead American or British service men in Iraq?

Freight bandit

Fiery mutant wrote: »

lol, yeah sure it would. After they get their tugs to drag their decrepit navy half way across the world. A huge part of the Russian military are conscripts. In other words, cannon fodder.

As an earlier poster stated, half of the fear around confronting Russia, is down down to their absolute nutcase leader. He has no care for anyone, doesn’t care about feeding his minions to the wolves. If Russian troops get slaughtered, he won’t care about them, or shed a tear. it only his hard man image that will be bruised.

Literally it would...the UK is like a chihuahua picking a fight with a great Dane

Freight bandit

Labaik wrote: »

What wars has Putin send his troops into lately that they have died in there thousands. How many dead American or British service men in Iraq?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

Labaik

Freight bandit wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

Democracy bombs.

U.S.A. U.S.A!

Freight bandit

Labaik wrote: »

Democracy bombs.

U.S.A. U.S.A!

Seems western propaganda is fairly effective...

Fiery mutant

Labaik wrote: »

What wars has Putin send his troops into lately that they have died in there thousands. How many dead American or British service men in Iraq?

Where did I say he has?

But to answer your question, you will find dead Russian troops in the wake of all their military escapades over the last few years, including the ‘tourist soldiers’ in Ukraine and Donbas. Not the mention the hundreds of ex soldiers/mercenaries of the Wagner group, slaughtered as they attempted a push on a US base in Syria.

paul71

Labaik wrote: »

I dont condone Russian actions. Western intervention is the biggest cause of instability in the world in the last 30 years, the invasion of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc flooding Europe with millions of refugees and setting the middle east alight, what moral authority does the British or Americans have to call out Russia for there wrongdoings (on there own border)?

All 3 of the countries you mentioned where horrible despotic regimes. While the presense of wmd in Iraq was a definate false flag Saddam was an utter nutcase, Gadaffi had Irish blood on his hands and Afganistan was a medievil torture chamber for women.

Are they good places today? No, but without at least the effort that was made they would be Syria.

The majority of refugees coming to Europe are not from these countries but from countries where intravention by the international community was not sufficient, Chad, Syria, Ethiopia, Myamar.

As a matter of preferance I would like to see the veto in the UN security council removed and a UN army established with a real strike power but that is not going to happen and short of that there remain 2 options.

1. Allow Kurds, Syrians, Eritreans and whoever else is next die in their millions.
2. Place trust in democratic nations (flawed as democracy is) above dictatorships like Russia or China to least attempt to bring murderous governments to account.

Freight bandit

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Where did I say he has?

But to answer your question, you will find dead Russian troops in the wake of all their military escapades over the last few years, including the ‘tourist soldiers’ in Ukraine and Donbas. Not the mention the hundreds of ex soldiers/mercenaries of the Wagner group, slaughtered as they attempted a push on a US base in Syria.

Were the US were based.....illegaly

Tom Mann Centuria

The Daily Mail reporter who also happened to be on board has a nice front page out of it anyway.

Fiery mutant

Freight bandit wrote: »

Were the US were based.....illegaly

According to who. In my opinion, a regime who slaughters its own people has no legitimacy, and in that situation, deserves ousting. Where they went wrong in syria, they left it too late to intervene, and didn’t uphold their red lines.

Freight bandit

Fiery mutant wrote: »

According to who. In my opinion, a regime who slaughters its own people has no legitimacy, and in that situation, deserves ousting. Where they went wrong in syria, they left it too late to intervene, and didn’t uphold their red lines.

According to international law....something the US regularly ignores...yet claims to be upholding a rules based order....only when it suits them it would seem

Das Reich

paul71 wrote: »

Are they good places today? No, but without at least the effort that was made they would be Syria.

Look at this sounds unreal.

Freight bandit

Fiery mutant wrote: »

According to who. In my opinion, a regime who slaughters its own people has no legitimacy, and in that situation, deserves ousting. Where they went wrong in syria, they left it too late to intervene, and didn’t uphold their red lines.

They let it play out....until the Russians got involved to upset their plans,in fairness it was well played by Russia.
100s of bombing runs on terrorists
..something the world's most advanced military couldn't manage to do...ah I forgot they were "moderate opposition"
The face on Obama when the Russians entered Syria Lol

Gatling

Labaik wrote: »

Is that when Bin Laden and the mujahideen went in with the backing of your beloved U.S. of A? How did that work out in the end?

Bin Laden's dead ,and russia still fled with their tails between their legs ,and then lost the whole east of Europe from Berlin to Kiev then came the Chechens a local skirmish that they lost more men and equipment than America did from Iraq to Afghanistan , they've also lost a similar numbers in East Ukraine against a rag tag , poorly equipped military who were living off handouts ,now we have turkey getting involved ,
Desperate times ahead for putin