Russia fire warning shots at British Navy

Fiery mutant

Freight bandit wrote: »

According to international law....something the US regularly ignores...yet claims to be upholding a rules based order....only when it suits them it would seem

International law? Does dropping barrel bombs on innocent civilians fall into that category? Or poisoning civilians in another sovereign state?

The US is by no means the perfect model for democracy, or for much else for that matter. But when you compare them to the autocratic nations you seem to admire, they are miles ahead.

paul71

Freight bandit wrote: »

They let it play out....until the Russians got involved to upset their plans,in fairness it was well played by Russia.
100s of bombing runs on terrorists
..something the world's most advanced military couldn't manage to do...ah I forgot they were "moderate opposition"
The face on Obama when the Russians entered Syria Lol

Yes I laugh a lot when I think of the 6.6 million Syrians living in tents in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, must remember to send a thank you card to Vladamir for the laughs.

TefalBrain

I see the usual Russia bad USA/UK good views are out. Too many Rambo films and not enough actual insight.

Gatling

TefalBrain wrote: »

I see the usual Russia bad USA/UK good views are out.

Were you expecting a deep interlectual discussion on russian foreign and domestic policies ,

This is boards

Gatling

paul71 wrote: »

Yes I laugh a lot when I think of the 6.6 million Syrians living in tents in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, must remember to send a thank you card to Vladamir for the laughs.

You forget to mention how Putin defeated Isis in 3 days several years later they are still struggling to find Isis and have run out of hospitals to bomb

Freight bandit

paul71 wrote: »

Yes I laugh a lot when I think of the 6.6 million Syrians living in tents in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, must remember to send a thank you card to Vladamir for the laughs.

Without Russia that war would probably still be going full strength,within a year the tables had turned an we weren't seeing the brutal scenes,beheadings or fanatics hanging off the back of Toyota pick up trucks...amazing the US and Co didn't see them kicking up dust clouds across the desert

BloodBath

FileNotFound wrote: »

Think you need to look up the definition of hypocrite...


Didn't defend the Uk at all, also never read the guardian but hey, given your belief in russian righteousness I think you may be a little gullible.

Well you're gobbling up propaganda from somewhere.

cnocbui wrote: »

When did the UK or US take down the HSE and release Irish people's personal health details on the internet?

So all governments should be held responsible for the actions of some of it's citizens or do you have any evidence at all that the Kremlin was involved?

thomil wrote: »

Or annex territory belonging to a sovereign state by force?

The USA has never invaded sovereign states to install puppet leaders or partition countries for it's own gains has it? Head firmly in the sand. At least in the case of Crimea it was a Russian asset for over a century with a Russian majority population and a large valuable military strategic asset already installed there.

paul71

Freight bandit wrote: »

Without Russia that war would probably still be going full strength,within a year the tables had turned an we weren't seeing the brutal scenes,beheadings or fanatics hanging off the back of Toyota pick up trucks...amazing the US and Co didn't see them kicking up dust clouds across the desert

It is still going, there are still 6.6 million living in tents, the murders are now back out of sight in Assads prisons as they were before, and the reason for that is Putin.

As someone pointed out earlier the mistake made was the international community did not go in hard enough against both Assad and Isis from the begining.

Gatling

Freight bandit wrote: »

Without Russia that war would probably still be going full strength,

There is still fighting to this day in Syria ,it was the American coalition and the Kurds who took the fight to Isis , russia secured assad that's about.it ,the Iranians turned into fodder and regularly get bombed by the Israelies ,
russia did what ........?

Freight bandit

Freight bandit wrote: »

Without Russia that war would probably still be going full strength,within a year the tables had turned an we weren't seeing the brutal scenes,beheadings or fanatics hanging off the back of Toyota pick up trucks...amazing the US and Co didn't see them kicking up dust clouds across the desert

They had no problem guarding the oil fields though...

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

There is still fighting to this day in Syria ,it was the American coalition and the Kurds who took the fight to Isis , russia secured assad that's about.it ,the Iranians turned into fodder and regularly get bombed by the Israelies ,
russia did what ........?

Absolutely laughable,seems you're a bit of a revisionist on this site.

patnor1011

Gatling wrote: »

Afghanistan stable , western leaning country huge agriculture sector and then the Russians invaded and massacred it's government and proceeded to bomb the country into the stone age before having to retreat with their tails between their legs ,
History is terrible for reminders

:pac::pac:
Sure. History is full of interesting stories. Like "axis of evil" Iran which was pretty much western leaning country until bastion of democracy decided to overthrow government because surprise..... Oil.

Gatling

Just looking at HMS Defenders firepower on board they were more than capable of defending themselves , UK could lose one ship ,but the same ship could sink several russian ships and take out multiple aircraft .
And she apparently didn't change course through the whole situation either ,
No win for Russia today

Gatling

patnor1011 wrote: »

:pac::pac:
Sure. History is full of interesting stories. Like "axis of evil" Iran which was pretty much western leaning country until bastion of democracy decided to overthrow government because surprise..... Oil.

Even worse is religion which impose law on the Iranian population today any protests is met with tanks and bullets sure lets blame someone

patnor1011

Gatling wrote: »

Even worse is religion which impose law on the Iranian population today any protests is met with tanks and bullets sure lets blame someone

You seems to disregard that current religious government there is direct consequence of US and UK coup and subsequent meddling in Iranian affairs.

Gatling

patnor1011 wrote: »

You seems to disregard that current religious government there is direct consequence of US and UK coup and subsequent meddling in Iranian affairs.

No what came after was worse for the people of Iran the so called revolution and whats Been done to it's own population and elsewhere.,Iran was a better place pre revolution and revolutionary councils ,
It should be a an amazing place, it should be tourism hotspot , from outdoor activities ,huge potential for off road. Driving too,but any descent is met with death , students are regularly killed for going against the preaching of the book ,I know Iranians and people who have been , they are ruled by zealous despots .
America dropped the ball and didn't see it coming.at the time but life in no way improved in Iran post American involvement,let's see how Iran handles it's own population ,Iraq and Yemen all while wondering if Israel with hit Tehran,
It's all well keeping an iron fist on your own population but when you try to use that iron fist across several populations at the same time it never ends well

patnor1011

Gatling wrote: »

No what came after was worse for the people of Iran the so called revolution and whats Been done to it's own population and elsewhere.,Iran was a better place pre revolution and revolutionary councils ,
It should be a an amazing place, it should be tourism hotspot , from outdoor activities ,huge potential for off road. Driving too,but any descent is met with death , students are regularly killed for going against the preaching of the book ,I know Iranians and people who have been , they are ruled by zealous despots .
America dropped the ball and didn't see it coming.at the time but life in no way improved in Iran post American involvement,let's see how Iran handles it's own population ,Iraq and Yemen all while wondering if Israel with hit Tehran,
It's all well keeping an iron fist on your own population but when you try to use that iron fist across several populations at the same time it never ends well

Oh well, you came along as a history enthusiast so I was only asking if you really know your history. It seems you do not.
Otherwise you would know that not only Russians are playing this game. Others are on it for far longer and with greater success. Considering what happened in Chile 1973-1990, Guatemala 1957-1980, Nicaragua 1930s-1979, El Salvador 1979-1992, Argentina 1976-1983, Bolivia 1971-1977, Paraguay 1954-1989, Cuba, Haiti... And that is just Central and South America.
Globally there is much much more.
So yeah, Russkies no good but Yanks even worse. Empires always operate that way in case you do not know it.

Atlantic Dawn

This is the worst about living next door to a warmonger, all sorts could come our way.

cnocbui

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

This is the worst about living next door to a warmonger, all sorts could come our way.

Comedy gold. Well the Germans didn't.

Frankly my dear

Good old Russia, a once mighty superpower now crumbling from the inside out, reduced to poisoning people's underwear and scrounging around for bitcoin crumbs with malware attacks. Once feared by the rest of the worlds superpowers, now only feared by a few local farmers in old soviet states that have to live close to them.

Fann Linn

Just handbags at dawn from a lying megalomaniac and Putin.

Labaik

Frankly my dear wrote: »

Good old Russia, a once mighty superpower now crumbling from the inside out, .

Just stick on CNN or Fox News there and you will see the same happening to the bastion of democracy and freedom.

Many don't defend Russian actions, its just the complete and utter hypocrisy of the West and especially the cess pit of media outlets that continue to parrot the government line and are oblivious it seems to there double standards.

Labaik

You have the same media outlets non stop criticising the Russian state for there treatment of Navalny but are like mice when it comes to Julian Assange. Sickening.

FileNotFound

Labaik wrote: »

Just stick on CNN or Fox News there and you will see the same happening to the bastion of democracy and freedom.

Many don't defend Russian actions, its just the complete and utter hypocrisy of the West and especially the cess pit of media outlets that continue to parrot the government line and are oblivious it seems to there double standards.

Why all the butt hurt Russian defence.
Nobody here is mentioning the US beyond the sad little russia defenders.
They are both bad, Russia are just a bit more inept at it.

Pretty much everyone here calls the US and UK out when they are doing bad things.

Reality is, Russia being a fossil fuel driven economy, decline from their former high is inevitable. Thats just life.


Then when you go round getting caught poisoning people, allowing hackers to work freely taking down essential services in small nations, attack and rob land (in modern times) - the true face is shown. Cretins with Nuclear weapons.

FileNotFound

Labaik wrote: »

You have the same media outlets non stop criticising the Russian state for there treatment of Navalny but are like mice when it comes to Julian Assange. Sickening.

Is there really a comparison between failing to successfully murder the political opposition and chasing someone who leaked confidential docs?


The US were up to dodgy sh1t chasing assange alright, but they didn't try and murder him in another nation now - just publicly try him in a court system.


Both as bad as each other imo - just russia less capable these days

Jeremy Sproket

Most people are hypocrites.

People on this website will acknowledge NI being part of the UK and will rubbish anyone saying it isn't citing that that there is a majority of people favouring union with the UK and that that should be respected.

Yet the same hypocrites here will staunchly defend Ukraine's autonomy over Crimea despite the majority of the residents being ethnic Russians and being happy with being part of Russia.

paul71

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Most people are hypocrites.

People on this website will acknowledge NI being part of the UK and will rubbish anyone saying it isn't citing that that there is a majority of people favouring union with the UK and that that should be respected.

Yet the same hypocrites here will staunchly defend Ukraine's autonomy over Crimea despite the majority of the residents being ethnic Russians and being happy with being part of Russia.

The status of Northern Ireland is subject to a binding international agreement between 2 democratic governments, whereby the British government must hold hold a referendum where it appears that a majority in the North would prefer a change in their status.

The status of Crimea was determined by the miltary invasion of the sovereign territory of a democratic state by a dictatorship.

Instead of your flawed analogy I would vention to say a more accurate analogy would be if the UK decided to invade and annex the parts of Donegal or Monaghan that retain majority Unionist populations.

FileNotFound

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

Most people are hypocrites.

People on this website will acknowledge NI being part of the UK and will rubbish anyone saying it isn't citing that that there is a majority of people favouring union with the UK and that that should be respected.

Yet the same hypocrites here will staunchly defend Ukraine's autonomy over Crimea despite the majority of the residents being ethnic Russians and being happy with being part of Russia.

That is some stretch of the imagination - poster above gave a pretty simple and accurate clarification if your very confused.

TefalBrain

Gatling wrote: »

Just looking at HMS Defenders firepower on board they were more than capable of defending themselves , UK could lose one ship ,but the same ship could sink several russian ships and take out multiple aircraft .
And she apparently didn't change course through the whole situation either ,
No win for Russia today

Big lose for the UK actually. The Brits looked like they shat their pants when confronted and head for the hills. I suppose it wasn't a few lads in a Toyota Hilux, a few AK47's and some black flags so they weren't really up for it. :pac:

Rule Brittania indeed.

paul71

FileNotFound wrote: »

That is some stretch of the imagination - poster above gave a pretty simple and accurate clarification if your very confused.

It is not at all. An invasion of a selective part of the territory of a soviegn nation based upon the ethic background of that area, by larger stronger power. It is a directly applicable analogy.

You could apply it to hundreds of parts of Europe, Hungarians in Slovakia, Germans in Alasce, Sorbians in Germany, Austians and Croats in Italy, Basques in France, Finns in Russia.

The rest of Europe has decided that these disputes must be let go so that we avoid another Somme or Stalingrad, but the Russian internet apoligists find every excuse they can for Russian aggression.