Russia fire warning shots at British Navy

Labaik

Its mad how by coincidence there was a BBC reporter on board the HMS defender. They poked the Russians and got a response job done, now they can report yet again how bad Russia are. The masses don't buy this anti Russian propaganda anymore.

Freight bandit

cnocbui wrote: »

They deliberately set out to prove a point and they achieved that objective. There was also a DM reporter, I believe. Yes very convenient to have reporters on hand to counter Russian lies and propaganda.

With British propaganda....the Mod and the BBC even contradicted each other,someone's telling porkies
The only objective they achieved was stirring up ****...they cry out in pain as they strike you springs to mind

Bass Reeves

Freight bandit wrote: »

With British propaganda....the Mod and the BBC even contradicted each other,someone's telling porkies
The only objective they achieved was stirring up ****...they cry out in pain as they strike you springs to mind

At some stage you have to stand up to a bully. It immaterial whether it's a person or a country. The exact same thing happened in the 1930's with Hitler. He continued to bully and annex other nations until it became untenable.

When the USSR fell apart and Ukraine established itself as a nation to get it to decommission nuclear weapons the EU and the US gave it guarantee's that if it ever was in a situation it requires them for defense they would stand by Ukraine.

When Putin got the Russian army to invade Crimea the EU and the US under Obama blinked and we have continued to blink since.

At some stage we need to make him blink

Strazdas

Labaik wrote: »

Its mad how by coincidence there was a BBC reporter on board the HMS defender. They poked the Russians and got a response job done, now they can report yet again how bad Russia are. The masses don't buy this anti Russian propaganda anymore.

It's similar to the French gunboats story. The same propaganda sheets and the BBC failed to report that many Jersey fishermen were angry with the Brexit government, not with France.

Timberrrrrrrr

Freight bandit wrote: »

You'd want to be a dufus to not believe they deliberately set out to stir some ****....and they got it, they even had a BBC reporter on board, how convenient

Again...absolutely clueless, you know that reporters are often on board these ships right?

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

It's similar to the French gunboats story. The same propaganda sheets and the BBC failed to report that many Jersey fishermen were angry with the Brexit government, not with France.

what a load of garbled rubbish.

Gatling

cnocbui wrote: »

Have we any evidence of these bombs being dropped in the path of the ship? Haven't seen any footage of that.

Absolutely nothing from them evidence wise ,the bbc were on board filming all we got from the Russians was a grainy b&w image looking at the ship , nothing else ,they said something similar 4 weeks ago about chasing off a British ship , which again never changing its course despite claims of warning shots

Capt'n Midnight

WrenBoy wrote: »

Side Question:
Are subs used / effective in modern warfare or are they going the way of the tank ?

Donald Trump wrote: »

Limited to six I think in normal time with three more in extra time

It depends on how many are active. Which was zero for the UK in Feb 2017

The four missile subs have a different job, and there's four to guarantee at least one is on patrol at any one time. The French have the same system. And what are the chances of boomers colliding ?


For navies it's not just now many boats they have, it's how many are ready at the moment.

paul71

Jeremy Sproket wrote: »

The status of NI was only ratified by a referendum on both sides in 1998.
So by that reasoning, NI was no different to Crimea prior to that agreement GFA).

i.e., NI was annexed by gerrymandering on sectarian grounds no different to Crimea. I'm not a Russian apologist btw, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards.

Oh, an Russia isn't a dictatorship.

There is no hypocrisy, as I said Europe except Russia has moved on from these petty disputes that have caused countless local wars and 2 world wars. The partition of Ireland happened 100 years and 35 yearsprior to European diplomacy growing up to its faults in 1945.

Russia a Democracy, you really have to be joking? Thats simply a self deluded statement.

Strazdas

Aegir wrote: »

what a load of garbled rubbish.

The Jersey government - France row was much more complicated than portrayed in the Brexit media. Many on the island were angry with Johnson for getting involved and had sympathy for the French position.

The way it was spun with the Royal Navy going in to 'defend the plucky Channel Islands from those nasty French' was a downright lie (and mostly a set up PR job).

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

The Jersey government - France row was much more complicated than portrayed in the Brexit media. Many on the island were angry with Johnson for getting involved and had sympathy for the French position.

The way it was spun with the Royal Navy going in to 'defend the plucky Channel Islands from those nasty French' was a downright lie (and mostly a set up PR job).

lol, no it wasn't, no they weren't and err, no it wasn't.

Otherwise, great job.

Strazdas

Aegir wrote: »

lol, no it wasn't, no they weren't and err, no it wasn't.

Otherwise, great job.

It was a minor local dispute between the Jersey government and French authorities over fishing licences (with many in Jersey having sympathy for the French fisherman). It was cynically hijacked by Johnson, sending in two Royal Navy gunboats to keep the Brexit tabloids and Tory voters suitably enraged.

This jingoistic nonsense was barely even reported or mentioned in the mainstream French media, despite being on the front pages of the Brexit press.

TefalBrain

Labaik wrote: »

Its mad how by coincidence there was a BBC reporter on board the HMS defender. They poked the Russians and got a response job done, now they can report yet again how bad Russia are. The masses don't buy this anti Russian propaganda anymore.

A lot still do unfortunately.

Gatling

TefalBrain wrote: »

A lot still do unfortunately.

Unfortunately bot are utterly useless ,they would be better off staying in the guardian comments section

Labaik

Bass Reeves wrote: »

At some stage you have to stand up to a bully. It immaterial whether it's a person or a country. The exact same thing happened in the 1930's with Hitler. He continued to bully and annex other nations until it became untenable.

Are you really comparing modern day Russia to Nazi Germany?

cnocbui

BluePlanet wrote: »

Why is Britain putting a warship near Crimea?
Looking for fight.

Well if that's your criteria for looking for a fight, then...

British RAF fighter jets were on Wednesday scrambled for a second time in the space of days to intercept Russian bomber planes entering Irish-controlled airspace off the west coast.

The Department of Transport confirmed commercial and private flights over the Atlantic had to be warned about the Russian military aircraft, which were flying without making contact with air traffic controllers.

“The department can confirm that it was advised this morning of what is termed unidentified radar tracks in an area of international airspace in the North Atlantic oceanic region controlled by the Irish Aviation Authority,” a spokesman said.

“At all times these radar tracks remained outside Irish sovereign airspace.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/russian-bombers-in-irish-airspace-for-second-time-in-days-1.4200213

The British ship was in international waters, just as the Russian bomber was in international aispace.

nigeldaniel

Russia has been pushing its luck to see what they can get away with. Its been doing this for a good numbers of year's now. Everything from staged activities to made up history. The fact is some day soon they will be so far down the rabbit hole they themselves will not reilise it. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia tries to sink a ship down a military jet and publish a load of naff to justify the action.

Bass Reeves

Labaik wrote: »

Are you really comparing modern day Russia to Nazi Germany?

No I am not, but as I said Ukraine was given assurances when it gave up its nuclear arsenal and these assurances were not backed up

However Putin's actions are similar to Hitler's in his use of armed forces to achieve objectives. He is also a virtual dictator on Russia.

He is already threatening more action against the Ukraine.

Labaik

Bass Reeves wrote: »

He is already threatening more action against the Ukraine.

We were told he was going to invade the whole of Ukraine, 10 years plus later still no sign of Vlad and co in Kiev.

Imagine the Russians instigated a coup and installed a pro Russian government in Mexico. The U.S would of done worse than what the Russians did and rightfully so.

RobMc59

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Russia has been pushing its luck to see what they can get away with. Its been doing this for a good numbers of year's now. Everything from staged activities to made up history. The fact is some day soon they will be so far down the rabbit hole they themselves will not reilise it. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia tries to sink a ship down a military jet and publish a load of naff to justify the action.

The Russians claim to have some pretty impressive weaponry,hypersonic missiles and aircraft.Obviously no one wants to see any escalation of these type of situations but the UK claims to have learned many lessons from the Falklands war when many of their warships were sitting targets for exorcets etc.
The type 45 destroyer is claimed to be cutting edge against air attacks and various missiles.Whether it could withstand a Russian missile attack for example though is debatable imo.

jmreire

Gatling wrote: »

Russians couldn't beat the goat headers despite bombing the country back to the stone age ,
The Taliban were beaten ,the issue is the Taliban aren't a big standing army ,they loose ground , gain ground and repeat over and over , ideology is difficult to defeat especially when you have a country like Pakistan supplying and training them , while claiming to be an Allie.

Russia doesn't fight big wars they couldn't even beat Ukraine despite having bigger and more forces

Well, looking back on it. if ( and its a big IF) the US had minded its own business when the Russians were in Afghanistan, and left them there, instead of trying to pay back Russia for its interference in Vietnam and North Korea, the world would be a completely different place now...both politically and militarily. but then hindsight is agreat thing.. LOL.:)

kildare lad

nigeldaniel wrote: »

Russia has been pushing its luck to see what they can get away with. Its been doing this for a good numbers of year's now. Everything from staged activities to made up history. The fact is some day soon they will be so far down the rabbit hole they themselves will not reilise it. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia tries to sink a ship down a military jet and publish a load of naff to justify the action.

That's not gonna happen , no world power wants to fight each other , Russia turned a blind eye when Turkey shot one of their planes down a few years ago , they didn't do anything either when America killed loads of their mercenaries in Syria . Chinese and Indian soldiers were killing each with rocks and batons last year's because they didn't want to use weapons that'd could escalate to war in a border dispute . I think Putin is a lot smarter than giving the go ahead to sink a British warship .

Gatling

Labaik wrote: »

We were told he was going to invade the whole of Ukraine,

Four years later the mighty russian army have been helded off by a mix of rag tag militias made up of football supporters and a poorly equipped military ,

Imagine that.....

Gatling

jmreire wrote: »

Well, looking back on it. if ( and its a big IF) the US had minded its own business when the Russians were in Afghanistan, and left them there, instead of trying to pay back Russia for its interference in Vietnam and North Korea, the world would be a completely different place now...both politically and militarily. but then hindsight is agreat thing.. LOL.:)

the Russians were losing before America got involved in any meaningful way , but it helped American weapons were used to shoot down close to some 300 aircraft (what country could manage such losses), I remember actually reading about how Mujahedeen fighters were buying weapons off russian soldiers on guard duty at bases because they were conscripts who didn't want to fight for the party,
I think the religious ideology and Pakistan and other foreign involvement still would have had a similar outcome over just over a longer period ,
Russia operated a scorched earth policy more interested in hammering towns and villages ,that **** doesn't go down too well ,

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

the Russians were losing before America got involved in any meaningful way , but it helped American weapons were used to shoot down close to some 300 aircraft (what could manage such losses), I remember actually reading about how Mujahedeen fighters were buying weapons off russian soldiers on guard duty at bases because they were conscripts who didn't want to fight for the party,
I think the religious ideology and Pakistan and other foreign involvement still would have had a similar outcome over just over a longer period ,
Russia operated a scorched earth policy more interested in hammering towns and villages ,that **** doesn't go down too well ,

As opposed to the US who call in million dollar airstrikes on a lone Taliban sniper taking potshots at them....by the time it arrives he's over the hills and far away to fight another day.years of US presence and the place is still a mess.

Gatling

Freight bandit wrote: »

As opposed to the US who call in million dollar airstrikes

While russia bombs hospitals in Syria , because they can't find Isis ,
Remind me about Russia in Afghanistan .....

Freight bandit

Gatling wrote: »

While russia bombs hospitals in Syria , because they can't find Isis ,
Remind me about Russia in Afghanistan .....

Uh huh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

"On 7 October 2015, President Barack Obama issued an apology and announced the United States would be making condolence payments of $6,000 to the families of those killed in the airstrike."

Collateral damage.....

Gatling

Freight bandit wrote: »

Uh

Ah junior one Vs over 100 in Syria , markets and schools

Your wasting your Stokes there

Labaik

Freight bandit wrote: »

Uh huh

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

"On 7 October 2015, President Barack Obama issued an apology and announced the United States would be making condolence payments of $6,000 to the families of those killed in the airstrike."

Collateral damage.....

Wait? Don't the American bombs not bring peace, freedom and democracy for all?

Manic Moran

So apparently the Russians did, as far as they think, fire a warning shot.

Problem is they were something of a mile plus astern of the British ship, and using an AK-630 (Rotary 30mm gun). The British may not have noticed, or thought it was part of the exercises. Link at about 5:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NS5elmFGYY