Russia - threadbanned users in OP

fritzelly

Seems Russia have ticked every box for what constitutes war crimes and crimes against humanity

That a few are put down by Ukrainian soldiers bothers my conscience not one iota - they are fair game as an invading extremely hostile force

zv2

Still some resistance in Moscow https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1510584931092684808?s=20&t=QTIjPElBuGgVabFSRjkfZQ

cnocbui

https://twitter.com/XSovietNews/status/1510678625808486408

I am astonished at the lack of further reporting on Putin's current wife and kids in Switzeralnd.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875517#Comment_118875517

If they dont have a bloodlust they dont seem to mind blood on their hands.

All the way back to Tsarist repression, civil war, purges, terrors, deliberate famines, katyn, the fall of berlin, gulags and the entire apparatus of the oppressive totalitarian soviet state and their local collaborators who treated half of europe as an open prison for generations.

Whats going on in Ukraine is not an aberration.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875517#Comment_118875517

Agreed...and it's even more true today that it would have been last week. Atrocities beget atrocities, and it's easy to imagine Ukrainians dishing out the same to Russian prisoners instead of letting them call mammy.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875517#Comment_118875517

Literal both sidesism.

We see exactly what the Russian people think.

Stop absolving them.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875541#Comment_118875541

The old rule of thumb: if you want to know what the Russians are up to themselves, listen to what they're accusing others of doing.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875456#Comment_118875456

In most, if not all wars, there are crimes on both sides, but Russia seems to see war crimes as an instrument of war. It is their war policy to pummel ordinary people into submission. That makes them different from the Ukrainians.

Curious_Case

The Russian army is in Ukraine committing atrocities against Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian army is NOT in Russia and is NOT committing atrocities against Russian civilians in Russia.

If Putin isn't brought to justice rapidly when hostilities end, a price will be put on his head - that's obvious. There will be no peace of mind for that entity.

With drone technology these days it's quite doable.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875073#Comment_118875073

But the problem with that is Putin would be likely to perceive it as an effort to depose him, thus putting him in the 'cornered rat' position where he is very likely to unleash his full firepower.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875660#Comment_118875660

Its a sad state of affairs but - yes - which is why i get very worried when they start talking about chemical labs and WMD type stuff - I do worry

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875678#Comment_118875678

You hit the nail on the head there.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875567#Comment_118875567

Theres no both sides to this!!!

There is a single aggressor from the start and that is the Russian Federation. Ukrainians had every right to defend themselves.

In relation to this post, honestly, this attempt to water down clear atrocities is **** sickening. Of course Russia were the **** worst. Such viewpoints should be fucked off the site. The Kremlin propaganda machine will be in full swing damage limitation mode and some will eat every word of it up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875621#Comment_118875621

I am astonished at the lack of further reporting on Putin's current wife and kids in Switzeralnd.

There was some gobshyte earlier in the thread suggesting a NATO deatsquad should go in and murder them all 😂😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875456#Comment_118875456

Wibbs accusing Ukraine of war crimes.

GRAB YOUR TORCH AND PITCHFORK!!!

ronivek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875017#Comment_118875017

If you actually read the summary you would see that the $30 billion is referring only to roads and bridges in Ukraine.

Aside from the fact there is literally nobody who can accurately cost the replacement of entire cities that have been reduced to rubble; and the real cost is likely to be far higher when all is said and done.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875764#Comment_118875764

🙄

cnocbui

https://twitter.com/GuyReuters/status/1510696514850545670

Accuse your victims of being you. Sick-making.

Strazdas

One thing becoming clear from the stories of murders, rapes, looting etc is that the Russian "army" is a disorganised rabble : third rate at best. This could only be happening against the backdrop of bad leadership, ill discipline, lack of authority, unprofessionalism and so on.

It's a bit of an eye opener to find out that the so called Russian elite forces are an ill disciplined, ragbag bunch of killers, rapists and looters who wouldn't know how to take on a genuinely professional army if you paid them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875464#Comment_118875464

Depressing

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875541#Comment_118875541

The Donbas war was instigated by Russia. As with many tyrannical dictatorships throughout history, Russia need an 'other' - a group to blame and rail against. The looked at a pre-existing condition in Donbas - mixed nationalities and identities, and they incited 'their people' (ethnic Russians) to act as they did, and attempt to cede from Ukraine proper. And that created a reaction in the form of the Azov/Ukrainian nationalists. Horrible things happened, and that is obviously worth highlighting - but i view the conflict as being instigated by Russia - im not saying there werent extremists on both sides - there probably were - but the 'conflict' is a real-time fiction that served Russian interests

The Russians very much exploited for their own ends an existing Northern Ireland like ethnic partisan situation in those regions. There is zero doubt about that, but they were able to grow such murderous roots because the soil was already very fertile. There's no probably as far as extremists are concerned. For example the Azoz faction didn't magically spring forth as a reaction, they have been around since the 1980's even before the fall of communism. And they weren't alone in Ukraine as far as Right wing nationalists went. The joke is they came out of a bunch of neo-nazi football hooligans and were allied with Moscow Spartak's own neo-nazi football hooligans. Their fathers would have chugged vodka together and then their sons shot each other. The twisted irony of idiotic ideologies. The Russian propaganda machine can quite easily sell the "Ukrainian nazis" to their people because that history is very much there. While of course avoiding any mention of Russia's connection to and larger nazi groups of their own(Wagner group just one example), or their fanning the flames of the separatists. These Far Right Ukrainian nationalist militia's were supported by Ukraine on their side of it, the Far Right Russian separatist militia's supported by Russia on their side of it, with separatist and nationalist civilians as the minced meat sandwich between them.

Now only a moron draped in their newly minted yellow and blue flags would claim Ukraine didn't have more than a bit of a problem with the Far Right and support for it, including government support, especially in the east of that country, what is also very clear over the last eight years since Maidan(where the Far Right were also in play) is that support for the Far Right has remarkably fallen away to feck all and remarkably rapidly with it. Where once they could be sure of getting a fair number of seats in local and national government, IIRC in the last elections they didn't even get one across the line.

Since Maidan anti corruption advocates and legislation has been brought in, and lord knows that nation needed it and still does. They've been trying to clean house all over the place. They went and voted in a Russian speaking Jewish TV comedian becuase of what he stood for and because he stood for major change. One of the changes he brought in seems like optics and a simple change; he insisted the tradition of having his photo in every official and public service area be thrown out. That's huge in that part of the world where the cults of personality love that nonsense. The majority of the Ukrainian people want change and change for the better.

Like I was saying earlier, a good question to ask Russian supporters and bots is; if putin is so keen on de-nazifying Ukraine, then why didn't he do it ten, fifteen, twenty years ago when there were far more nazis in Ukraine, with more support and power on top? It seems 'nazis' are grand, so long as they're our nazis and we control them like Russia did ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875649#Comment_118875649

My previous point stands and you continue to reinforce it.

riffmongous

"Wibbs accusing Ukraine of war crimes.

GRAB YOUR TORCH AND PITCHFORK!!!"

It's not Wibbs as such, he's just repeating what Amnesty and others reported from the early years of the Donbas conflict and saying it won't be a huge surprise to find out it was still happening

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875583#Comment_118875583

Well if you will insist on a simple read of a very complex situation that led to this and prefer a nicely wrapped up Hollywood script of black hats versus white hats then fair enough.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875819#Comment_118875819

unbelievable - it is sickening

Dohnjoe

Lots of dogs were also shot in Bucha (not just people) the footage is horrendous

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875819#Comment_118875819

They've a neck as hard as a jockey's bollocks. It's the usual Russian propaganda almost entirely aimed at their own people to keep them on side and they're keeping to the script of "Ukrainians are nazi bastards who kill civilians, not us and we've asked the UN to investigate, but we Russians know the West hates us so will ignore our pleas. Poor poor Mother Russia". And many of their people will believe it. It's the script they've grown up with.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875864#Comment_118875864

Were the Chechen scumbags in that area DJ? Some of the nuttier extremes in Islam hate dogs as "impure".

GM228

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875017#Comment_118875017

The $30B estimate is from Ukravtodor (their equivalent of Transport Infrastructure Ireland here) and applies to costs just for roads and bridges, not infrastructure as a whole.

I'm VERY aware of the history of Ukraine and Russia, thanks.

If there's a Hollywood script being delivered, it's been through Russian military actions.

What exactly do you expect the Ukrainians to do? Apologise to the Russians for hurting their feelings? Perhaps get their tanks repainted for them if they got scratched. If you brutally invade a country, you can fully expect to get a very bloody nose as a result.

They've just spent weeks utterly devastating Ukraine's population, cities, towns, infrastructure, economy to a level it will take probably a couple of decades to get back to normality and they've directly caused a displacement of people on a scale we haven't seen in Europe since WWII.

You're off into quasi-academic, abstract nonsense and frankly I've no interest in even engaging in it anymore.