Russia - threadbanned users in OP

So that's makes it OK for Russians to slaughter innocent Ukrainian civilians such as those in Burka and Irpin? NATO are cowards because they are watching what card Russia will play next, not what card NATO can play on Russia.

GM228 · 09-04-2022 6:23pm

Says it all when Berlusconi calls you out!

https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1512826010194087944?t=UXYuGI_A0rU7VSUUHmBlAw&s=19

goldenmick · 09-04-2022 6:26pm

@[Deleted User] - Your not in your 50s, so in your 60s minimum. You've had a life span, with the not best years ahead... maybe it gets easier to risk other lives/including your own as you get older.

What an arrogant, all encompassing and condescending statement.

A persons age - whether they be 8 or 80 - is irrelevant in the context of having humanity and compassion for your fellow man.

There are those who believe the risk, however small, of calling Putin's bluff is a risk worth taking to put an end to the disgusting atrocities authorised by this reincarnated Hitler despot. Then there are those who are quite content to see the butchery go on forever and a day, so there's no danger to their own ass. We know which camp you sit in.

For you to lecture @cnocbui on not calling for attacks on other wars and abuses being perpetrated globally is both infantile and a deflection of the subject matter of this thread. Who voted you the Boards morality judge? And how do you know he's not equally concerned about them... because he hasn't started a thread on them yet? Because he hasn't brought them up on this thread? Because you're a mind-reader?

This thread is about Russia. If you want to beat the drum about people's concerns for other world affairs and abuses then I suggest you start a new thread.

@[Deleted User] - You've lost the argument because you don't value human life as a whole.

I think he values human life a whole lot more than you do.

09-04-2022 6:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903852#Comment_118903852

Same question to you... why only now do you want to send soldiers into war, why not all the other conflicts currently going on, say to save the Muslims in China?

And when are you signing up yourself?

Dufflecoat Fanny · 09-04-2022 6:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903732#Comment_118903732

Like Lewis Prothero, the "Voice of London" from V for Vendetta

sjb25 · 09-04-2022 6:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903732#Comment_118903732

Solovyov is nuts in that coked to his eyeballs or something

Jesus Vladimir

goldenmick · 09-04-2022 6:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903889#Comment_118903889

So lets have a go at @Amprodude now. How many more will you accuse of not caring simply because they don't mention other conflicts?

THIS IS A RUSSIA THREAD.

You do realise that you're making a complete fool of yourself. Don't you?

09-04-2022 6:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903915#Comment_118903915

It's the Russia thread... not the NATO thread then? Okay, leave NATO out if it. Mentioning NATO only in relation to Russia is pointless.

You can see that, right?

storker · 09-04-2022 6:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903748#Comment_118903748

If that isn't incitement to hatred I don't know what is. I do hope that those investigating war crimes open dossiers on this fcuker and his gimps also.

09-04-2022 6:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903914#Comment_118903914

Definitely on something - the others are a mix of embarrassed or laughing.

storker · 09-04-2022 6:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903860#Comment_118903860

"..anyway Vlad, you're still invited to my next bunga-bunga party. Bring a bottle and a bird."

GM228 · 09-04-2022 6:50pm

Better late than never:-

https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1512843291703840775?t=U0Uf4WluM7MNimyHOooMLA&s=19

goldenmick · 09-04-2022 6:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903938#Comment_118903938

Nato countries ARE ARMING AND PROVIDING INTELLIGENCE for Ukraine, so they are therefore a valid part of the discussion (and they'll likely be more involved very soon).

And as Putin is raging about Ukraine and Baltic countries wanting to join Nato, that also makes Nato a valid part of the discussion.

You can see that, right?

GM228 · 09-04-2022 6:58pm

From Vyacheslav Volodin, chairnan of the Duma:-

https://t.me/vv_volodin/394

Translated as:-

“This war must be won on the battlefield,” EU Foreign Service Chief Josep Borrell said of the situation in Ukraine. Thus, he publicly wished the continuation of hostilities.

Borrell should be immediately dismissed by the EU countries. His duty is to seek a solution to the problem through diplomacy.

Although it was initially clear to everyone what role Washington and Brussels assigned to Ukraine. Today, the West has openly declared its goal - what they have been striving for for years, supplying weapons to Ukraine and supporting the Nazi ideology.

War to the last Ukrainian has become the official policy of the EU and NATO countries.

Talking about putting your own spin on things.

sjb25 · 09-04-2022 7:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903972#Comment_118903972

Next eu sanction idea no bunga bungas

09-04-2022 7:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903995#Comment_118903995

They are, and they should provide more. They've also said they won't engage Russian forces directly. So, that's that then.

And, their previous inaction in virtually all other conflicts is front and centre relevant. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

GM228 · 09-04-2022 7:03pm

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1512846648287838210?t=LSgHHuPMDvygnBXFqkScfA&s=19

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1512847867777536001?t=SgjfJlQleQA4t1lfZrbIQQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/vsabio/status/1512849132599361537?t=XMX2RTl3uJU_B5LLwdWzpQ&s=19

brickster69 · 09-04-2022 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903770#Comment_118903770

Force Majeur will be applied. Russia has funds to pay in JP Morgan and they are in default to Russia but it is not really JPM's fault. So bondholders will sue JPM and JPM will sue the US Government for blocking them from carrying out it's obligations.

Similar in a way to Gazprom who would accept Euro's for contracted gas payments but Putin brought in a law that they must be paid in Roubles and are going along with that.

The problem on the US side is it will take years to sort out and those pension funds and banks won't get paid until it get's resolved. that is without even mentioning the unknown amount of derrivatives tied into them which will be in limbo for years.

Amprodude · 09-04-2022 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903889#Comment_118903889

why only now do you want to send soldiers into war,

Because the war has gone out of control. Russia troops arent targeting military targets anymore but innocent civilians and children. That's not right.

And when are you signing up yourself?

I'm not a trained soldier so il leave that those who know how to fight.

Strazdas · 09-04-2022 7:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118903967#Comment_118903967

I'm thinking cocaine. Uninhibited and rambling and a lot of bitter resentment in his voice.

I've watched a few of Goebbels' speeches and they were never as bad as this. Sure, he would get angry and start shouting, but he wouldn't be using words like "scum" and "Satan".

Muahahaha · 09-04-2022 7:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118900732#Comment_118900732

The Finland joining NATO situation is in itself a huge signal of just how badly Putin has miscalculated here. Like 6 weeks ago one of his main pretexts for invading Ukraine was ensuring that NATO didnt allow Ukraine to join them in order to avoid NATO weapons being placed along Russias borders. Even though there was no chance of Ukraine ever joining NATO when it didnt have control of all its territory (which is a condition of joining NATO) Putin still went with his reasoning that by invading Ukraine he would avoid NATO expansion and prevent weapons being placed on Russias borders.

But now his invasion of Ukraine has spooked Finland so much that they are shredding their long standing foreign policy of neutrality and they cant get their application in to NATO quick enough. The irony of all this is that the Finnish border is only 200 kilometers from Putins home town of St.Peterburg. So instead of ensuring that Ukraine doesnt join NATO (something that couldnt have happened anyway) Putin is now facing Finland joining it instead which brings about the very real possibility of American boots and weapons along Russias 600km long Finnish border with St.Petersburg just a short trip up the road. So when Finland join NATO the extent of Putins strategic miscalculation will become truly evident because he will now have NATO infrastructure even closer to a major Russian center of population. From a NATO point of view having Finlands territory in the alliance as a bullwark to Russian aggression is like having all their Christmasses and birthdays coming at once. So Putins attempt to make Russia more secure by invading Ukraine is now going to backfire on him in a way that he would never had thought possible just six short weeks ago. He launched a war becasue of his misplaced paranoia about NATO wanting infrastructure up against his border with Ukraine but now his war is going to deliver exactly that, just in a different location and far closer to St.Petersburg.

And just as an aside of the Finland angle, years ago I lived and worked there for a while. One of my flatmates was a radio frequency engineer for Nokia mobile phones when they were in their 3310 pomp but once a year he and almost a million other Finnish reservists would disappear for about 3 weeks and head off to the military for exercises and annual training. His role in the military if war ever did break out was as a non-commissioned officer in a deep underground bunker working on radar systems. I used to slag him about heading off on a holiday every year to play military computer games while I was back in the flat playing FIFA on the Playstation. At the time I thought that what he and other reservists were doing was a bit of overkill but the last few weeks has really put the reasons for the Finnish military readiness into perspective. All the same murder, rape and torture that we are seeing right now in Ukraine has been visited upon Finland by the Russian army in the past. And while most Finns alive today didnt live through it they still have a national shared consciousness that has a collective rage against what Russia did to their country during WWII. Through oral history the average Finn is very cognisant of exactly the type of atrocities and war crimes that the Russian army are capable of which is why despite decades of peace they still keep their military and reservists at such high levels of training and preparedness.

So while Putin has turned his sabre rattling about joining NATO on to Finland there isnt a single thing he can do about them signing up, he cannot threaten them militarily or they would finish off his army for good. In just a few short weeks Putin has managed to motivate Finland into ripping up decades of their foreign policy and go hurtling into NATO which brings their territory right up against a huge Russian border. The level of strategic miscalculation here by Putin is just truly astounding. He can bring his troops home for his V-Day parade on Red Square in a few weeks all he wants but any victory he claims is merely a Pyrrhic one such is the massive cost that it has come at. He is going to end up with NATO infrastructure up against his border which is the very thing he was setting out to avoid to begin with. And all on Finnish soil backed by up an army that would love to have a crack at the Russians. Somewhere in the Pentagon there must be a bunch of US generals who are absolutely rubbing their hands in glee about all this, they cannot believe that Putin has just gift wrapped and delivered them new NATO territory right up against the Russian border.

goldenmick · 09-04-2022 7:21pm

@[Deleted User] - And, their previous inaction in virtually all other conflicts is front and centre relevant. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

You cant even help yourself.

I remember your posts from a while back in this thread. Must have been a dozen or more where you couldn't argue against a valid point being made, so you reverted to type and kept telling people to go and join the Ukrainian army if they were that concerned. And you're still at it now. Pretty sad.

GM228 · 09-04-2022 7:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118904044#Comment_118904044

A valid force majeur clause may not apply, as the standard appropriate FM term in times of conflict would be "war", something which Russia claims is not the case, remember it's not war, rather a "special military operation".

A few prominent legal studies have taken place in recent weeks (they can be found on the reputable sites like Lexology and Bloomberg Law) which have all concluded a default due to sanctions may not be a valid FM clause as the default is due to sanctions, which although are a result of war, don't come under the heading of war itself.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bloomberg-law-analysis/analysis-a-force-majeure-redux-in-ukraine-and-russia

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ee92a97d-62ae-4e43-b220-7f44f86d6ab8

It really could get messy and is certainly one which all stakeholders and legal academics will be watching closely.

09-04-2022 8:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118904071#Comment_118904071

Oh, only the Russians are attacking civilians and children.

That's that cleared up then

Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Comments