Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Vicxas

Winter war is something that Germany, and others who depended on Russian gas dreads. Summer they can weather with low demand but German winters are COLD.

They will want a resolution long before that.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116196#Comment_119116196

If it is resolved by year end, it is because Russia have suffered a massive defeat or the Ukraine has.

The Russians are not willingly going to give up their conquests so sanctions will remain til then.

Berlin is hoping for a speedy Russian win and peace talks but it's impossible to see it this year. The war will go on even if static.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119115923#Comment_119115923

Are they all wearing body armour? Unusual body shape

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119115578#Comment_119115578

Read what I wrote. Its where you say its because of what the Russians are stating in their media about "evacuation", means that its unlikely the Russians are ethnically cleansing parts of Ukraine. Therefore you're suggesting we should reserve judgement.

But yeah thats the same nonsense argument as the illegal invasion of Ukraine being detailed in their media as 'a special operation". And to paraphrase - I mean why would they purposefully leave little hints about that like some kind of supervillain good guy via the media?

The Russians obviously can't deny they've moved large numbers of Ukrainians from Ukraine to Russia as there's plenty of personal accounts of them doing so and yes the movement of people from Ukraine to Russia does indeed have hallmarks of ethnic cleansing

So just like the Russians can't actually deny they're in Ukraine, as it's bloody obvious they are. But noooo - according to them, it's not an invasion or a bloody illegal war against a sovereign nation, its a "special operation" instead specifically to defeat the nazis / stop nato / protect ethnic Russians amongst other bizarre excuses. I believe it's called spin. Their friends in the first part of WW2, ie Hitler and the Nazis would have called it propaganda with similar media reports of happy Jewish people being "resettled"

Trying to claim otherwise is a "nonsense argument"

roosterman71

Putin didn't look too shook in those videos with the soldiers. Are the rumours of his demise nonsense, or are these old videos pre recorded and now released? Interesting to see Shoigu there too. Hadn't heard much about him lately either

Hobgoblin11

https://t.me/lumsrc/1564

bombings all along the southern line of contact

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116240#Comment_119116240

The OP tried to claim TASS reporting an "evacuation" of ukrainians was proof of ethnic cleansing. It is not. I agree that Russian state media is worthless, however some people seem to believe it is only untrustworthy when it doesnt support their position. A TASS report saying people have been evacuated from conflict zones to Russia is not proof of ethnic cleansing of millions of people. It is not proof *its not* happening, it is not proof it *is* happening. Its confirmation of nothing.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116334#Comment_119116334

Some proof that hospital visit is a load of poop

https://twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/1529778219389444096?s=20&t=L_aJ7ho-gnTOPqWxlnIu1Q

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119115708#Comment_119115708

"Hopefully the shooting will dissolve into talking soon."

The "shooting" ?

You mean the illegal invasion, bombing and wholesale killing of Ukranian civilians by the Russian armed forces?

"Support for continuation of conflict is waning. Industrial and business leaders across Europe, particularly in Germany are not happy with the looming situation of this winter."

The Germans have no good reputation with regard to maintaining peace in Europe. And their Prime minister self serving sentiments this time around can fook right off.

"There is so much money at stake across EU, and the vast majority of people (sensibly) care about themselves, their families and businesses, not the conflict. I think we will see more and more pushback to arms supply by the general public of EU member states and a push to a diplomatic solution."

Do you honestly believe a diplomatic solution is possible with a ego driven maniac whose apparent aim is to to wipe at least one entire country off the map and who has already threatened others?

Similar sentiments and prevarication about European self interest resulted in Poland being brutally carved up between the Nazis and Russia and the beginning of WW2

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116462#Comment_119116462

"If a person was suspected of being a 'Ukrainian Nazi', they took them to Donetsk for further investigation or murder," says Oleksandr, although the BBC has not been able to verify this claim.

charlie_says

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116568#Comment_119116568

Why don't you go to fight so?

Of course peace is possible. Putin isn't stupid or manical as much as people like to psychologize everything away.

I'm neither a Ukrainephobe or a Russiophobe, I would like to see peace. The blloodlust in this thread is pretty **** sad tbh.

Mike3549

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116587#Comment_119116587

And how they were supposed to verify that?

Record all the filtration process?

Mike3549

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116542#Comment_119116542

Now putinbots are gonna say that the factory worker decided to quit the factory job and join the army in 2018

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116432#Comment_119116432

Again TASS reports saying the Russians are executing a special operation" in Ukraine certainly bears no relation to the tlknown facts of a bloody invasion and war being waged against Ukraine

Similarly Russia claiming to be "evacuating" Ukranian people to Russia bears no relation to what has been related through multiple personal accounts.

The Russian claim to a "special operation" in Ukraine has been used as to cover the bloody invasion and war been waged by the Russians

Ditto the Russian claim to "evacuating" Ukranians to Russia is also being used to cover what we know is happening from personal accounts.

When it comes to propaganda from the Russian media, we know the Russians are covering their own arses, regardless of what they are claiming.

Fiery mutant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116672#Comment_119116672

The really weird thing about this is that Russian explanations and propaganda is so absurdly bad and so transparent, but yet there are people who believe it. And not only do they believe it, they believe it so deeply and try to rationalize it and convert others. It's so mind numbingly stupid that you really wonder how the human race ever made it so far.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116649#Comment_119116649

You would think given how incompetent Russian communications are that Western intelligence would have picked up on this

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116672#Comment_119116672

So basically you do not believe anything TASS reports (fair enough) but you actively believe that everything TASS reports is a coverup for something more nefarious... suit yourself

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116616#Comment_119116616

Lol. Ah the old why "don't you go and fight" retort. The same much used in the early days of the Pro Putin brigade hereabouts, but which went out of flavour after that piece of rhetoric was hung out to dry permanently. Maybe you didn't get the memo? But no matter.

So you theorise that Putin isn't manical? (I said nothing about stupid btw) You mean the same ego driven fooker who has illegally invaded a sovereign country on the pretext they are nazis and is currently waging a bloody war of annihilation of that country and targeting its civilians? Oh and now threatening a whole host of other countries with similar at some point in the future

The only "bloodlust" I've seen are those who think that a signed agreement will stop Putin. News for you it won't. Peace is certainly possible but only with the complete routing of Putin and his henchmen - politically and permanently. Anything less is naivety.

Seems likely western countries are going into a recession I wonder how much they can keep supporting Ukraine in the long run. Also its costing alot of money to take care of the Ukraine refugess that are coming over the border.

Raoul Duke III

I'm fully aware of that - Chechens, Tartars, Ukrainians, Jews, ethnic Germans, ethnic Greeks etc..the list is long.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116755#Comment_119116755

It's all about relative ability to bear economic pain.

The West can take a recession (one was overdue anyway). Russia will collapse under sanctions.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116755#Comment_119116755

Funny it seems to be a fairly common theme to "wonder" about things when it comes to Putin and "supporting Ukraine".

But completely agree we should leave those refugees to the tender ministrations of Putin and friends. It'll be grand like.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116705#Comment_119116705

Years of Putin propaganda has worked effectively on a load of "useful idiots" in the West. They are often far right or extreme left in outlook, but it's noticeable that a load of conspiracy theorists such as anti-vaxxers, Covid deniers, climate change deniers and anti-lockdown guys are on board as well.

Putin seems to appeal to many of them as a personality. They associate Zelensky as being part of the decadent, corrupt and globalist West, but Putin's hatred of the US, the EU and NATO and so forth is enough to make them fans.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116783#Comment_119116783

Russia seems to be a self sufficient country. In comparison Ukraines economy is destroyed and is heavily dependent on the west. It seems to favour Russia long term. Also if you look at countries like Iran sanctions lose their effect over time. Alot of countries that have sanctions on Russia, are mostly western countries, countries like China and India still trade with Russia.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116785#Comment_119116785

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Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116843#Comment_119116843

But Ukraine has dozens and dozens of allies and is a prospective member of the EU. Their outlook is surely far more promising than the pariah state and dictatorship to their east - the 'North Korea of Europe'.

charlie_says

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116759#Comment_119116759

Don't really care about that part of the world to go do that. Also not of military age anymore. I care about what happens here and to Ireland more.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116730#Comment_119116730

TASS is the mouthpiece of Putin and the Russian government and has been cited as a source of disinformation as part of Russian influence operations

Not only is TASS owned and run by the Russian government. It specialises in Pro Russian Propaganda. And no I wouldn't call TASS reporting so much as "cover up", but rather deliberate and designed disinformation. One recent highlight of which is TASS publishing the claim  that Zelenskyy fled Kyiv following the invasion and also that he had surrendered.

Zelenskyy used social media to post statements, videos and photos to counter the Russian disinformation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116868#Comment_119116868

Ukraine has friends but none want to fight for it, the military support Ukraine is getting is limited and they are getting old equipment, joining the EU would be years away. EU is still Russias biggest customer

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119115632#Comment_119115632

BBC saying the same, increasing questions being asked in Ukraine about how much blood is worth spilling to retain parts of the country that seemed doomed regardless.

It's a travesty but it's increasingly clear that Russia is not going to be sent running back to its borders the way some keyboard warriors here were predicting a few weeks ago.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119116196#Comment_119116196

I've lived through many German winters and due to climate change they're little different to Irish winters these days. Grey, temperatures rarely before zero, a few snow flurries if you're lucky. But yeah, you still need heating