Russia - threadbanned users in OP

briany · 02-06-2022 8:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150560#Comment_119150560

With the amount of NATO intelligence that Ukrainian army chiefs must be getting, it wouldn't surprise me at all if NATO were advising tactics as well.

Agree on the longer range weapons. Seems like modern warfare is all about being able to hit your enemy the hardest from the greatest distance.

briany · 02-06-2022 8:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150906#Comment_119150906

That's been mooted for a while now. As things stand, I don't see how the Russians can press toward Odessa. Their previous land assault failed and the waters around the port of Odessa are reportedly heavily mined, making amphibious assaults rather risky. That isn't to mention the news about Ukraine getting Harpoon missiles to really soften the cough of the Russian navy. Additionally, Odessa is also much nearer to friendly territory and Ukrainian supply lines. Overall, a much harder fight.

Danzy · 02-06-2022 8:45pm

It would be a 1000 mile front for the Red Army to hold from South of Kharkiv to Moldova.

It's a big ask for any side.

bennyineire · 02-06-2022 9:14pm

They still are no where near taking the full Donbass for Christs sake

odyssey06 · 02-06-2022 9:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151143#Comment_119151143

The senator said that when the Soviets shot down American planes "the world didn't end."

Ah so the Americans can shoot down Russian planes over Ukraine without nuclear retaliation comrade?

Gatling · 02-06-2022 9:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151013#Comment_119151013

It's possible if they stick to the current tactic of grinding small gains at a time ,the Russians still control the black sea , even with anti ship weapons they one scored one take down of a Russian ship in 90 days of combat and a few patrol bosts but as it stands ,the Russians can attack any coastal areas with relative ease ,

briany · 02-06-2022 9:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151250#Comment_119151250

It's possible for me to drink Lough Derg if I stick to the tactic of one spoonful at a time... Well, not actually, no, because there are other circumstances that make that practically impossible - replenishing rain and my own lifespan for two. By the same token, Russia does not have infinite time to make small gains until they have achieved their objectives (and I believe that whatever Russia says publicly, Putin wants Kyiv most of all), and that's assuming that Russia can even hold the gains they make. Despite missile attacks upon Odessa, Russia has shown no capability so far to make a credible infantry push towards that city.

Markcheese · 02-06-2022 10:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151250#Comment_119151250

They don't actually need to take Odessa ,

If they hold and heavily arm snake island they control large amounts of the black sea .. and that makes an effective blockade of the Ukrainian coast a lot easier .. they can't bring large warships too near Ukraine or they'll get shot up ,but they can control the access ,not sure what happens if ships hug the romanian and Bulgarian coasts ,

Hobgoblin11 · 02-06-2022 10:10pm

Some 15,000 civilians remain trapped in Severodonetsk, with many of them taking shelter at the massive Azot chemical plant.

where are the Azot battalion?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61675915

Dubh Geannain · 02-06-2022 10:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150560#Comment_119150560

I'm really hoping this is them showing their smarts again. Waiting to read any other confirmation.

https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1532423813589262341?t=NzkEeOF6WBMTqTcVa5wvHw&s=19

Jinglejangle69 · 02-06-2022 10:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151295#Comment_119151295

Reminds me of that video of the American soldier who fought in Ukraine a few weeks ago.

Says the Russian army are poor fighters.

When the host said they are meant to be the second best in the world he responded and said Russia fooled everyone with their propaganda machine saying how great they were.

Were now seeing it was a bunch of nonsense.

Its what they do.

Dubh Geannain · 02-06-2022 10:18pm

More confirmation.

https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1532393568924475394?t=g25q-yHWWQi-l9gqKnUW_Q&s=19

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1532410485483749380?t=4EZCqDX7aS7sqcrCDNW7WQ&s=19

Jinglejangle69 · 02-06-2022 10:21pm

Whatever happens to the Mariupol soldiers who surrendered?

Can only imagine.

Banana Republic 1 · 03-06-2022 6:03am

The Russians control 70% of servodonesk thats according to the Ukraine mayor of the region. Ukrainian forces are holding off Russians across 40km of front on open ground. The Ukrainians are dig in but the Russians are bombarding the area with artillery and grad rockets, it’s WW1 stuff. Normally once artillery is fired it has to move poistion or risk being struck in counter shelling however Russian artillery is 30 or 40km behind the lines and currently can be hit by Ukrainian this is wWhat the American howziters are for. If they take servodonesk Putin could declare a victory to save face, which means he could stay in power for another four or five yea, but they could also encircle Ukrainian troops from the north and south. Taking Odessa could be there next move.

In the meantime this grain issue could well be a major issue going forward if Africa starves where do they escape to, Europe and we have seen this tactic played out when Belarus was flooding the polish and Lithuanian border with refugees last year. It’s total war as Farr as putin is concerned and it’s at the heart of it is Ukrainian resources, coal and minerals.

is_that_so · 03-06-2022 7:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150759#Comment_119150759

That's fairly improbable with things now so entrenched and the weapons would have to get where they need them. It is part of his very excellent and persistent PR campaign.

patnor1011 · 03-06-2022 7:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150101#Comment_119150101

Maybe they are just saving it from being stolen by Russians when they get there. It is also probably bit far from frontlines as they are strolling around in crocs which on the other hand could be standard u-army issue who knows...

03-06-2022 8:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152135#Comment_119152135

I'd say a lot of Ukranians of a certain age are spending time in combats, even when off duty... as you say, wearing crocs. Could be simply moving stuff from their own apartments to summer cottages/away from Russians. Strange to be taking a video of it if they were stealing it.

Hobgoblin11 · 03-06-2022 9:05am

https://t.me/lumsrc/1664

At Sieverodonetsk direction Russian army shelled Sieverodonetsk, Borivske, Ustynivka and Lysychnask, conducted airstrike near Myrna Dolyna, attempted to conduct assault actions near Metyolkine and Bilohorivka. Battles ongoing in central part of Sieverodonetsk, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

Hobgoblin11 · 03-06-2022 9:28am

https://t.me/lumsrc/1662

Russia is really turning the screw in the East

Hobgoblin11 · 03-06-2022 9:44am

https://t.me/lumsrc/1657

At Kurakhove direction Russian aviation conducted airstrike at Maryinka, also shelled Vidrodhzennia, Dolomytne, Toretsk, Novobakhmutivka, Avdiivka, Pisky, Mykilske, Vuhledar and other , - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report

nigeldaniel · 03-06-2022 9:49am

A lot of chatter in the US that Russia is angeling to get Belarus involved. Pres Joe Biden feared that long-range weapons in Ukraine might be used to hit Russian targets up there, playing into Putins hand and getting Lukashenko involved. The est cost looks like it might fall into Russian hands over the summer but the main focal point for Kyiv is to ensure they do not over-commit troops to the est and exposes the west. Putin's big weakness is he has now committed to the long term in Ukraine and that in fact suits Kyiv as they have a lot of new recruits in training that are a few months away from deployment. Likewise, it takes time for the Ukraine army to be fully compliant in using heavy weapons that are been supplied to them.

It might look bad for Ukraine just now but if they see out the summer, things will swing back their way by Autumn. It is a case of formulating a plan to retake the ports, cutting off Russian land-based troops from rapid resupplies. Without the ports, Russia would get gonzoed in a few weeks.

zv2 · 03-06-2022 10:09am

I'm expecting the Russians to grind to a halt in Severodonetsk. They are probably taking huge casualties.

jackboy · 03-06-2022 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152576#Comment_119152576

Probably. I don’t buy the theory that some have said that when the ground dries the Russian tank formations will be free to roam the countryside and will make much greater progress.

A win at Severodonetsk while sustaining heavy loss of equipment is essentially a strategic defeat.

TheValeyard · 03-06-2022 10:50am

Slow grinding gains in the East for the Russians, but the cost must be absolutely staggering. Id also wonder how the Russians ability to hold areas they seize and over extending their supply lines. Going to be a large frontier for them to defend and hold. Particularly when newer artillery pieces get involved.

Donald Trump · 03-06-2022 10:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148337#Comment_119148337

He was out for a pint last week. Got into a bit of a scuffle outside Red Square Supermacs after closing time but had his bodyguard shoot the other fella fairly lively

shivaz · 03-06-2022 11:45am

Ukraine gained some ground back in Severodonetsk last night so I think this battle will rage for some time with the advantage of artillery fire from the high ground across the river in lysychansk with very good accuracy because of line of sight.Reports of high losses of wagner so hope that's true.The storming of the city was done with up to 7/1 advantage for the russians so losses must have been huge.It's probably back to 3/1 now.There is little strategic advantage to the war in gaining Severodonetsk for Russia.They are wasting time and energy there.The push southward from Izium is strategic and will probably be the next big push if Russia can organise it.

......and behind the scenes.