Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614936#Comment_119614936

How much of the airforce have been shot down over Ukraine close to 300 and he's saying they have committed.

How many airforces can afford to lose that many aircraft in a few months

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614915#Comment_119614915

It wouldn't be a gal .

In Slavic Russia woman don't lead

Heraclius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614968#Comment_119614968

And lose the pilots. He is probably right that they have more soldiers though and a good fraction of the population still support this crazy war so would back sending more soldiers.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614964#Comment_119614964

I was amazed to hear him talk so candidly about Russia losing ground and retreating in Ukraine (and not even being challenged). He was literally admitting that the special operation is going terribly.

greenpilot

BBC4 right now. A powerful and intimate interview with Gorbachev.

Flick over to it. Highly recommended it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614884#Comment_119614884

The effect of fostering a mafia state. Who wants to tell the boss bad news, or that they're skimming off anything and everything. Official army training reports where soldiers said they just turned up for photo shoot and not actual shooting training. The entire country is built on lies and cons.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614976#Comment_119614976

They have more men ,that doesn't mean they have anymore professional soldiers,they never moved on from poorly trained ,poorly trained and motivated conscripts .

They started a modernising program in the late 90s /early 2000s and guess what they failed with that as seen in Ukraine,all great at parades or bombing civilian populations in Syria but they haven't done well since WW2 against anyone that has the ability to fight back

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614976#Comment_119614976

What good are soldiers if you have nothing to arm them with. Moisin Nagent bolt action WW1 rifles and WW11 tanks that do not work.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

With what. There tanks are all gone. 30% of there airforce (the more modern part). There artillery is decimated. There navy in the Back sea is destroyed. There economy is in tatters. The army is pulling out of Ukraine and it's commanders will not send it back in.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

I remember the start of the Russian invasion proper. There were infographics on the news detailing how much the size of the Russian military amassed around Ukraine utterly dwarfed what Ukraine had to hand in pretty much all aspects - man power, artillery, sea power, air power etc. I don't recall looking at that and going, "Yeah, Putin's going a little easy, there."

Maybe instead of not going in hard enough, the trick would have been to have a competent military. Some of the reports of what Russian battalions were doing would have been comical if the situation weren't so serious.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Can i ask you where you get your news from,since you claim nobody else in here have seen real news as you claim?

greenpilot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

With what, exactly? Those of us who either work in/ study/ research or have participated in military analysis, as opposed to " real news" as you refer to it, will tell you that Russia, in particular its higher echelon staff, have neither the stomach nor the resources to " go hard" on anything.

Just before the war, its navy fielded 3,300 operational missiles and the US currently fields over 12,000. How many of those 3,300 conventional missiles do you think Russia has left?

As of yesterday afternoon, all 20 of Russias operational submarines are in the Black Sea. ALL 20. Why? Because the surface ships are out of cruise missiles.

Russia currently has 2 ( yes 2) surface ships capable of open sea operations at the moment. The rest are tied up at Novorossiya with ensigns flying so that the skeleton staff on board get their wages.

The absolute only card that Putin has left is a Nuclear weapon ( there is no such thing as a "tactical Nuke". A nuclear bomb is a nuclear bomb. This will never happen because it risks losing Moscow and St. P.

greenpilot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Links please?

Or.....

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614798#Comment_119614798

If you look at the two Finnish wars in WW II, the Finns were able to give a good account of themselves initially and push the Soviets (which included Ukrainians at the time) back into Russian territory. Ultimately though, the Russians won and seized Karelia. Finland only survived because the Russians preferred to have a buffer with Sweden (a historic enemy defeated by the Russians at modern day Poltava in today's Ukraine.)

In the first Chechen war, the Russians lost 14,000 men and called a halt to the war, Putin came in and the Russians took Chechyna, this time with 40,000 Russian soldier casualties over the years it lasted, there was the initial combat phase of 8 months, followed by the insurgency phase that lasted several years.

There are several other examples where the Russians have taken heavy losses, regrouped and come back to win. With Ukraine they made a reckless hubristic gamble and they are not going to achieve all the objectives they intended. Russia is still a major economy, has the resources for a comeback and historically that's what they do and on that basis Ukraine may not achieve total victory, they may have to cede some land to get the Russians off their back, move on and rebuild their economy and society.

Historically Russia did cede territory in 1917 due to the internal Bolshevik revolution driven in part by the losses at the front against the Germans and Austrians and a civil war that went on for 5 years after that, including the Poland.Soviet (Ukrainian) war between 1918 and 1921. They gained it all back and then some 20 years later under Stalin.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Go hard on Ukraine with what? His mickey? The only card Putin hasn't played yet is the one that will turn Russia into the worlds biggest car park

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615140#Comment_119615140

I'm not sure exactly which outlet it would be, but I bet it has a piece in it about George Soros meeting with the World Economic Forum to eliminate the words 'man' and 'woman' from the dictionary.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Ah yeah.

Here we go again.

Putin is a nice guy….

Do you lads ever get tired???

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Good always defeats evil in the end.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615172#Comment_119615172

I see you conveniently make no mention of Afghanistan who were backed by the US.

All those other wars Chechnya, Georgia, Finland etc they were not up against anything like what they are in Ukraine with the backing of almost the entire western world. This is multiple times worse than Afghanistan for them. And the more they brutally fight on the more Ukraine will be backed up and the longer the sanctions will persist. They are at nothing.

Curious_Case

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Russia may come to realise that putting forward another of Putin's ilk is not a fantastic idea.

In any case, Sick Puppy Mark II may have noted what happened to Sick Puppy Mark I and decide to stay well clear.

A successor may indeed be more hardline, but is hardly likely to be as deluded as Putin.

Ukraine will be heavily bolstered once this phase is over.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615172#Comment_119615172

I would not characterise Russia as a "major economy" any longer. It has resources coming out it's backside but has fallen prey to a resource curse.

A "major economy" is diversified, has significant productive and innovative capacity; can retain and attract high-end workers to sustain the former; has networks of peer economies it cooperates with on technological transfer and research; ruthlessly protects intellectual property; has a currency that doesn't display extreme volatility; has rule of law, political stability and the favourable investment climate that flows from that.

Russia fails on all those fronts.

And then there's the raw if rather crude GDP measure.

South Korea for instance has one third of the population of Russia, is a fraction of the land mass, has none of the resource advantages, yet has an economy the same size as Russia (probably bigger by a fair bit now due to the war). It also p*sses on Russia on the innovation front.

jmreire

More like call up 2 million angry Russian mothers.....what happens Russian soldiers who go on special military operations is now well known, and the pushback will intensify.....more recruitment centres bombed / burned, stiffer opposition by Soldiers who have been in Ukraine , and have absolutely no intention of going back again..ever. Rumor has it that the much vaunted 3 battalion deployment was stopped, simply because they refused to go.

Gatling

There are several other examples where the Russians have taken heavy losses, regrouped and come back to win. ..

Lol like where

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613615#Comment_119613615

The more it drags on the higher the likelihood of nuclear war.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Delusional.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615267#Comment_119615267

On paper Russia has the resources to overwhelm Ukraine, and based on historic precedent, this should not be discounted. Right now you are seemingly right, they have nothing in the tank to win, morale has collapsed. It makes sense for them to withdraw, come up with a better plan, address the corruption that contributed to their defeat i.e the funds for their modernisation more or less got siphoned off. Whether, that is 2 years or 20 years they will eventually come back.

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615140#Comment_119615140

I think everyone knows he has serious weapons of mass destruction. Don't know where the guy got his sources but Putin was recently bizarrely praised for his restraint in the US marine corps gazette.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/wmkvc8/ua_pov_marine_corps_gazette_publishes_an_oddly/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I guess when the US attack, it looks more like Chechnya etc.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615314#Comment_119615314

There is no discussion of nuclear war in Ukraine or anywhere else,

Bar some nut jobs on russian tv and some poor unfortunates on here making claims of tactical nukes , either Play too many games or watch too many movies.

It's not going to happen

seenitall

Edit: posted a meme that was already posted, thread is moving a bit quick for me. Since i can’t delete, here are a few more, some of which mightn’t have been posted already……

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615170#Comment_119615170

I respect your posts because you deal only in data and facts. Not like the majority who sit back and pontificate opinion.

Here is a link, there are many others. The trouble for people here you see is that they don't like to watch, listen or read long articles. They just want the Twitter soundbites.

https://youtu.be/kaErzNRh3LM

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615054#Comment_119615054

Well whatever chance he had back in February going in with everything he had inc, full mobilization and being succeeding, that chance is gone now. His mobilization will take at least 6 mths to prepare his army, and that's at a minimum, and assuming that he will have all the gear and logistics in pace. And then he will have to face a heavily armed and experienced Ukraine force , who will in the intervening time further increased their abilities, and presumably made even more territorial gains ( if not actually outright winning the war )