Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Brussels Sprout

The Wartranslated account is a must follow these days for all these crazy videos of shambolic mobilisation:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1573611622639276037

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658807#Comment_119658807

That's western perspective, though.

In Russia they will be hugely determined not to lose what they view as a proxy war with the west.

They may very well fight all the way to the bitter end, as Russian society is heavily influenced by their military and history of achievements in battle. I would say that Russia is probably even more in love with their military than even the USA. So walking away and giving up might not really be a viable option in their minds.

GM228

https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/1573623649042571264?t=Dho37HbDk7WNWlc3aokwbg&s=19

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Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658842#Comment_119658842

Ah yeah. It's entirely a personal choice and there is a good argument that their posts need to be challenged. If they're spamming the thread with the same old bankrupt Russian talking points though then I'm happy to not see their posts anymore because otherwise I will spend all my time debunking them.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658776#Comment_119658776

There will be a lot of cold and dead Russians in Ukraine.

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658856#Comment_119658856

I only just noticed the tread in the conspiracy theory 9/11 forum. Seems to be unmoderated there. Some of the worst have resurrected there.

GM228

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119652725#Comment_119652725

Just to come back to this point I raised the other day, interestingly I might get an answer.

It seems that the UN General Assembly is likely to look at this question finally after 31 years either today or in the coming days, there is a possibility that Russia could be held to be an illegitimate member of the UN and loose it's P5 status (and all important veto) on the Security Council (we can only hope).

Unlike the previous 31 years there is finally a desire to answer this long held question.

Good thread on it here which touches on what I briefly mentioned:-

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1573623837660532736?t=o7waJaWbc19dHQH4rAhJlg&s=19

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658849#Comment_119658849

By Western perspective don't you actually mean from a perspective of people who have a choice in what they are permitted to read watch and critically judge?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658849#Comment_119658849

They haven't won anything ever.

Other than occupation and massacres across Eastern Europe,

they have nothing to celebrate the Russian military for

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658849#Comment_119658849

What's the bitter end for an invading force? Until Putin himself finds himself on a train to the border to personally fight in Ukraine?

The US retreated in Korea Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Imperialists will fight to gain territory or control but they do not usually fight to the point where they risk losing their home territory unless they've vastly over played their cards and made the war an existential crisis for both sides.

As of now the Russian motherland is not being threaten militarily. If Putin withdraws they won't be chased all the way to Moscow. The bitter end is only if the Russians go insane and start a nuclear war that means the West have no choice but to wipe them out.

Discodog

Looks like the new Russian story will be that Ukrainians are selling western weapons on the dark web. Debunked by the BBC but a good example that they will try anything.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-62983444

greenpilot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658431#Comment_119658431

Thank you. You guys are fantastic for supplying harmless, vacuous mirth to a sometimes heavy thread. And "papa"? That's an interesting word. From what vanquished nation do you hail?

Not too many would describe their father's as "Papa" around these parts.

You must have missed that colloquial faux-pas in your first edit. 😉

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658868#Comment_119658868

Leave them there..

But in saying that a few are under other accounts IMHO

Housefree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658807#Comment_119658807

The result is going to be the same either way, just with far more dead and maybe a nuclear war.

Russia is not going to attack any NATO country, that's over exaggerating

At this point the areas that had the sham referendums which have a large percentage of ethically Russians will have to be ceded, I don't think Russia will give these back once they declare them Russian territory. These areas have been under intense indiscriminate shelling from Ukraine far right forces since 2014.

Ukraine won't be able to enter NATO for the future & will have to dis-arm from NATO weapons

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658776#Comment_119658776

The more arms the US pumps into Ukraine the more dead on both sides and the longer the war gets drawn out, an outcome the US is totally happy with.

The US would be happy enough alright and Mother Russia will be very unhappy.

Meanwhile in Europe we have governments collapsing,

If you listen to conservative Yank nutcases, Russian spin and mouthpieces like Orban. In reality. Nope. I know this can come as a shock to those who yearn for stronk leader for ze fatherland, but governments in democracies get voted out, even "collapse" all the time. That's a feature of democracy and has been since the Greeks. And yet the same democracies keep growing over time. Then again you think, and doubled down on this, that Rome was a democracy and was one reason why it fell and Ireland the second most food secure nation on the planet can't feed itself.

Maybe for future reference you doublecheck your list of vatnyk talking points and zero them in more locally? We've seen Israeli types come on here over the years with similar scattergun "points" that really don't apply to us, but I suppose if you've only one crib sheet...

de-industrializing is happening,

As Paul71 noted you really should watch/read the links you put up. You may come away with less ignorance of complex matters. And pigs may look to air traffic control for clearance.

the UK with the collapse of the pound is starting to look like an emerging market.

The UK shot itself in the face with both barrels on Brexit. Covid and this war cushioned them to a large degree, or more to the point gave their leaders something to blame, leaders who lied to them for their oligarch masters who are now getting rewarded with massive tax breaks, but only for the wealthy, but it's starting to be more clear now how this will play out for ordinary Britons.

In any case the UK is out of the EU, pretty much completely out(which they didn't have to do BTW, they could have done a Norway, but that didn't suit the string pullers or the loons). So it's not really the EU's problem anymore.

All this before winter has even hit. No Russian will be cold this winter.

They will be if they end up in Ukraine. And yep Russians in the cities can always rely on cheap, even free heating, from their vast resources. That's about all the poor bastards see from those vast resources as they're being robbed blind by their masters. Those same masters who prefer to have their kids live in the West and enjoy our decadent liberal western democracies on their yachts and villas, while 20% of Russians don't even have indoor plumbing. Even putin himself namechecked them as a warning. Irony not being his strong point.

Fiery mutant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658776#Comment_119658776

Not sure what Iraq has to do with Ukraine getting invaded.

What EU governments are collapsing?

Where is de-industrializing happening and what is the cause?

What is the reason for the valuation of the pound? (This answer should be good)

No Russian will be cold? You do realise something like 20% of Russian homes don't have piped water don't you?! How do they get heated in the winter?

wassie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658895#Comment_119658895

At this point the areas that had the sham referendums which have a large percentage of ethically Russians will have to be ceded,.

Based on Ukraines efforts in the last 2 weeks I'd say you havent crawled out from underneath your rock for a while to see whats been happening

Gatling

@Housefree .

Ukraine will be joining nato ...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658805#Comment_119658805

Fuk what Russia wants. Ukraine has the right to develop to Western standards and not be tied to the bloated corpse Russia has become. Russia and its supporters are a stain on humanity and Russia is about to discover that you cannot bully your people into ineptitude, corrupt your nation to the point of only having pre WW2 weapons for your 2 week trained soldiers, and think you are going to have any say in a war against a stoic and resolute Ukraine backed by the West//NATO.

The only people prolonging this war to its slow and inevitable end are the Fukwits standing close to Putin and not brave enough to give him a State Funeral!

It’s moronic beyond belief, as it is a marker of a desperate shill/useful idiot to victim blame Ukraine or its supporters for prolonging this war.

It’s the RUSSIANS, stupid!

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658849#Comment_119658849

Who's going to be hugely determined exactly? They've literally just had to mobilise recruits from the population because they couldn't get enough volunteers. They've already tried to incentivise people to sign up with large cash offers. They even went so far as to try and recruit prisoners. At the same time anybody with the means is fleeing the country.

The people who seem to be the most determined not to lose are the ones who know they won't be anywhere near the front lines, such as the vampires trotted out on state TV every night.

The only parallel I can think of really is the Vietnam war. It was a war where many of the drafted troops had no idea what they were doing there. It quickly became massively unpopular and ultimately, after many years and the destruction of Vietnam, ended in defeat and an embarrassing retreat for the USA - even though that meant a boost for the backers of the Viet Cong - the Soviet Union.

I can see this ending, pretty much exactly the same way, with Russia being in the role now that the USA was then.

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658874#Comment_119658874

For years I have been watching and reading people saying the UN is useless and corrupt. That annoys me, the planet is global and interconnected, it must have a forum were leaders meet. The UN has issues but the greatest achievement of mankind IMP was by a the WHO a UN body and that was the elimination of smallpox. The greatest problem it has is a problem created by its largest critics ie. the large countries with a security council VETO.

The removal of Russia from the UN is not the correct solution, the correct solution is the removal of the permanent security council members VETOS.

GM228

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573627079270309891?t=jKLqDmi3RXyPbEJaIsbHrw&s=19

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Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658874#Comment_119658874

This would be counter productive. The whole idea should be to keep them in the room so there is someone to talk to.

Reminds me of the silly "expel the Israeli ambassador" here.

Great, you get an hour of satisfaction, then what? No one to talk to.

In addition countries like Russia would be far more dangerous outside the tent than in it.

It does not make any positive practical sense.

Fiery mutant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658849#Comment_119658849

You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.

Russian 'perspective' is based on what information they are given by their masters, therefore Russian military 'achievements' are rarely what actually occurred.

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658882#Comment_119658882

Or the bitter end could be viewed as a western controlled Ukraine.

The unfortunate consequence of the cold war, and what many Russians view as broken promises thereafter, is that Russian citizens don't really need much persuading from Putin in order to distrust the west.

Putin's propaganda goals are not really difficult to achieve within Russia.

Combined with the fact that most Russians are very used to economic hardship, so western sanctions are unlikely to sway many away from this war. And Russia still has very impressive natural resources, so it's unlikely that they'll be going hungry or cold this winter. (while here in the west, it's less certain - which might be another propaganda win for Putin btw)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658523#Comment_119658523

It’s a fact. George W Bush wanted Georgia and Ukraine in nato and stated it 2007.

Russia previously had assurances that this wouldn’t happen.

I believe Russia is 100% in the wrong to have invaded Ukraine. Having said that, I don’t support nato aggression in Libya etc.

A peaceful outcome to this conflict needs to be pursued. I hope this will happen soon. We can see China and India raising concerns now and wanting it to end.

An ongoing war is leading to a terrible suffering, destruction and waste of taxpayers money on excessive stockpiles of weapons.

Compare the US military budget to the rest of the world. It’s a total waste of taxpayers money.

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658895#Comment_119658895

There is another lie in there, you really cannot help yourself can you.

Those areas have not been under intense Ukrainian shelling since 2014, that is an outright lie. There had been a monitored ceasefire in operation for years. There were numerous violations of that ceasefire and most of those violations were by the Russians and that was observed and reported on for years by independent UN observers including Irish army officers.

There was never any "heavy shelling".

Housefree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658900#Comment_119658900

The point about Iraq was US civilian death rates, replying to another poster

Italy is going to the far right. On the continent Boris Johnson got ousted. Swedens gone to the far right. Far more of this will happen over the winter. Germany is training riot police for the coming trouble.

De-industrializing is because of the energy price hikes due to Covid & the war

Yesterdays collapse was due to Truss's Tax breaks, but overall you have Brexit, Covid & Energy Prices impacting

The Russians are energy secure. The sanctions are being paid for by Europeans

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658798#Comment_119658798

Let's face it the Americans are shady bastards and have always been as far as their international "influence" goes. Just looking at South and Central America alone would show this very nicely. Their counterparts the Russians were and are their equal in interference.

Did they influence how Ukraine was playing out? You can be damned sure they had their oar in the water alright. Just like the Russians. However and this is something the Russian spin doctors leave out in their rantings; if America did do this and were seeking to weaken Russia using Ukraine to do it, putin like a dumb fool fell for it, hook line and sinker. And in a way that gave any American influencers a cross eyed orgasm at his idiocy.

If he had even half a brain, he could have "just" annexed Donbas, left Kyiv alone, left the south alone. He could have gone to the UN rolled out a list, slanted to his side of course(works for the US. Mostly) and claimed he was going in on a humanitarion mission to save Russian peoples in Donbas. He wouldn't have wasted men and resources and time with his dismal failure in Kyiv and the north. Leaving the south mostly alone would have also freed up thousands of troops and equipment to take Donbas, and he likely would have gotten away with it far more, like he did with Crimea. Europe would have given stern warnings, but the gas would still flow and all the rest. But no, he screwed up mightily.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658924#Comment_119658924

“Combined with the fact that most Russians are very used to economic hardship, so western sanctions are unlikely to sway many away from this war.”

So we keep hearing 😂 for some reason.