Russia - threadbanned users in OP

zv2

Maybe-

https://twitter.com/Hellstorm901/status/1576629286458433536?s=20&t=_n5k8oMJTGqGpPM_rQCfSw

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/Time123On/status/1576604240545746945?t=V8k5qjM7upjWNt1aWUmDeQ&s=19

Talk that Ukraine have advanced 20km today along the road that adjoins the Dnieper in Kherson.

Would be significant if true given what's happened so far in Kherson.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693183#Comment_119693183

It's like when America went to Afghanistan and Iraq. They just couldn't understand why "freedom and democracy" weren't universally embraced. But some people, rightly or wrongly, have other values that matter more to them (ethnic, religious, national) and will cling to them even if from the outside it seems like a self destructive decision

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693092#Comment_119693092

As I understand it this issue is complicated by the conflict since 2014. Perhaps some want to join Russia to get out of the conflict in E. Ukraine. If there was no conflict would they prefer Ukraine? The irony is, the Russians created this conflict in the first place by using Yanukovych as a sh1t stirrer and creating the Donbas armies. You'd have to go back to 2010 maybe, to get people's real preferences on this.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693055#Comment_119693055

They are waiting for the champs to arrive before they start. After all , one needs only the best to celebrate such a victory. What such a naive and inappropriate question to ask. Get up the yard will you and don’t be annoying us with your attempt at deflection , etc, etc, etc, etc ,etc

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/WeeblordG/status/1576620087431176192/photo/1

The rumoured advance.

GM228

Not sure how true this is?

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1576636684359569409?s=20&t=NrIC5jtBbOAgYEoHlZOK5A

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119692819#Comment_119692819

Thirty years ago and not by a large margin. A lot can change in thirty years. Thirty years ago Ireland had no divorce, being Gay was a criminal offence, never mind abortion or same sex marriage. IMHO wheeling out the Crimea vote of 91 is damned near pointless and as was pointed out by Tony looked for more autonomy in 94. Now and certainly after the 2014 annexation I'd be shocked if a true vote was carried out that they'd want back into Ukraine. Indeed if Russia wasn't a pathological liar to the marrow and saw that as the default the one area they might well risk an actual internationally examined above board vote is Crimea.

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693421#Comment_119693421

There has been a few rumours about that all right. On the 1420 Youtube channel, they interviewed someone who said soldiers are expected to pay about $1500 to get a uniform and other equipment.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119692878#Comment_119692878

Ukraine should create an autonomous region there for the Tartars and welcome back anyone of Tartar descent. The Russians could be repatriated to Russia where they were originally from.

Dubh Geannain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693344#Comment_119693344

Rumour is getting louder.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1576647527067447296?s=20&t=vnNMKJbQtQOuW0XKhPp1JA

Not sure how many defensive lines that is but looks like they've certainly broken through two.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693119#Comment_119693119

That makes Ukraine before all this sound closer to Belgium than Belarus and the contrast was that large. It wasn't on both counts. What democracy Ukraine has is less than a decade old, Russia's had pretty much none. It was one of the poorest and most corrupt nations in Europe with a hot and cold civil war in the east and a fair chunk of those in said east did see Russia as the direction they wanted to go. You can't have nigh on a decade of internecine conflict resulting in many thousands killed and injured and many thousands more displaced fighting mirages or non existent leanings. Yes Moscow's support was in play, but so was Kyiv's. All of this was regularly noted and reported on in Western media until this invasion, though mostly in the back pages because it was pretty much Nowheresvile on most Western people's radars. They were certainly trying to change and people wanted change but Ukraine had some way to go.

As far as democracy goes IMHO it's not a good fit for much of the Russian mindset(not unlike many Middle Eastern cultures). They've never really had it in the way we think of it. It's essentially an old style feudal imperial nation where the good times equal no societal chaos and a centralised "strong" leader with his governors dropping more than the usual scraps from the table to the rest of the population. Ukraine was in that sphere for a long time too, but there's much more hope for them. Ditto for Belarus.

It's been my position since early on in this thread that this tragedy will be the making of a modern Ukraine as a nation. They're getting huge support from the West and a lot of goodwill and their people can see how they're fighting for their own land and autonomy. They'll have no stomach for the corruption of the past and neither will those who support them.

Yet another failure for putin to add to his long list. A better Ukraine on his doorstep, more NATO on the same doorstep, an awakened EU who will spend more on defence and won't look to Russia for a generation and Western business and political interests who won't be too quick to deal with them either.

TheValeyard

Looks like it true. Ukrainian soldiers with the Ukraine flag in the Khreshchenivka village, Kherson front.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693428#Comment_119693428

If Putin ever believed in gaining international consensus over things, it was certainly dead by the time of his speech at the 43rd Munich Security Conference where he was vitriolic in his criticism of the US-led international order. I think the quote was that onlookers in the front row where getting peppered with flecks of his spittle as he ranted.

Hence, Putin does not believe that an internationally-observed referendum is necessary, no matter how nailed-on. In his project to reorder what he calls a unipolar world, he must think that in order to break that system, you must work outside it (when necessary), rather than from within it. And there's little doubt that he regards Crimea to be as Russian as Moscow. To him, the idea that its annexation requires validation must be pretty laughable. Relative international silence when he did move forces in can only have affirmed that to him. The fundamental problem for Putin, however, is that his country lacks the muscle, both in terms of hard and soft power, to truly reorder the world. Nukes won't get the job done, there. They'll end the world, rather than the current world order.

Francie Barrett

https://t.me/sashakots/36181

You guys will like this one. Russians are complaining because Ukraine keep attacking sections of the front where they weakest. It's just not fair!

I am sure that in the coming days another 1-2 sections of the front will appear, where the Ukrainians will try to advance. Ukrovskoe command show miracles of strategy and military leadership talents? - NO! They act ingenuously, having the fullness of intelligence, and all NATO intelligence is working for them, they are accumulating strike groups in those places where we are “thinly” and hit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693344#Comment_119693344

Nope, not a rumour, the pickle has confirmed it

https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1576642852863758337?s=20&t=t2ZXfdWUAq8kPnAgJtCUmg

nigeldaniel

Slightly related and not too off topic. Might we be seeing improved ties between the USA and Venezuela.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63105944

Clearly aimed at two things. Pulling Venezuela away from Russia and off course the ol black gold. Venezuela themselves might be thinking Putin's toast! and its time to drop Russia.

Francie Barrett

https://t.me/dva_majors/2853

A Rosgvardiya detachment in Kyslivka is apparently surrounded.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693428#Comment_119693428

Yes, much has changed (not least a significant exodus of Ukrainians post annexation).

But you can't claim that Crimeans were upset about being "gifted" to Ukraine in the 50s and a majority resent it and ignore that a majority voted for independence from Russia. That they also wanted more autonomy is not the same as suggesting a majority wanted to be part of Russia.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693162#Comment_119693162

Technically all of Cyprus has joined the EU, but EU law is "suspended" in the North. i.e. its a fudge.

The requirement for membership of NATO has always been unanimous consent, which is largely my point. Everything else is cosmetic. But I'm happy to leave it here - obviously neither of us think Ukraine are joining anytime soon. If anything I think its less likely in the future then someone who thinks the territorial "dispute" is a limiting factor.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693428#Comment_119693428

But how can you have a fair vote on Crimea when the Russians flooded it with Russian speakers?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693619#Comment_119693619

They've flooded it with Russians. It was already, like much of Ukraine, full of Russian speakers. The latter being an irrelevance.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693527#Comment_119693527

Here's the spit flecking speech-

Putin's famous Munich Speech 2007 - YouTube

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693546#Comment_119693546

https://twitter.com/TheFraed/status/1576654065681207296

A fight is apparently happening in Dudchany. If true this means Ukraine penetrated 25km in just one day. Maybe not a good sign for the Russians that someone is pleading on social media for aviation support? 🤔

Would like to see some visual evidence before getting my hopes up. I'm sure we shall get more news tomorrow.

EOQRTL

Lots of chatter about the Russian front collapsing north of Kherson.

There's 25,000 Russians trapped on that bank apparently, so could get very messy very quickly.

If they can take Kherson and get as far as the Azov sea, they'll have cut the land bridge to Crimea and they'll be in range to destroy the actual bridge as well.

Think we might be about to find out whether Putin is willing to use chemical weapons/nukes or not.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693660#Comment_119693660

We may be about to find out if Putin is batsh*t insane enough to use WMDs over territories that even he must know he's never really exerted full military control of at any point since Russian forces incurred into Ukraine. The answer to that is almost certainly no. We've seen what he's said and we've seen what he's done. He's said that he is prepared to use all the weapons at Russia's disposal to defend its territory, but what he's actually done is mobilised hundreds of thousands more troops. That's his real move to try and defend those areas. The loss of Kherson or any areas Russia have occupied since Feb wouldn't be an existential matter for Russia. Russia will continue to exist without them and vastly so.

Lastly, if NATO intelligence senses in any way that there are moves to ready nuclear weapons as Ukrainian forces inch toward Kherson, they will be heavily advising a different approach from Kyiv. Ukrainian forces continue to advance.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693737#Comment_119693737

Well.....

https://worldnationnews.com/nato-issued-an-alert-for-the-mobilization-of-the-russian-nuclear-submarine-k-329-belgorod-a-carrier-of-the-super-torpedo-known-as-a-weapon-of-the-apocalypse/

Less advert link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-warns-of-mobilization-of-russian-submarine-belgorod-carrier-of-the-weapon-of-apocalypse/ar-AA12vwWP?li=BBnb7Kz

Larbre34

Any talk of fudging Crimea's future is irrelevant.

Ukraine contends it is part of Ukraine and all of the international community, bar the few Russian puppets and arse lickers, agree with them.

Any self-identifying Russians in Crimea that will find themselves fully back within the unitary Republic of Ukraine very soon, can have no complaints about the consequences of Putin's actions, that he purportedly took on their behalf.

I'd be no advocate of ethnic cleansing, but it will become nigh on impossible for ethnic Russians, especially nationalist types, to live in the restored Ukraine, so they might as well begin planning to repatriate to Russia proper, as it seems many are actually doing from Crimea, as Ukrainian forces draw inexorably closer. A palpable fear of the Kerch bridge crossing being destroyed reportedly abounds.

The departures are being led by Russian military and intelligence commanders, as well as civil service proxies which tells you all you need to know. That could turn into an exodus any day.

Francie Barrett

If Ukraine can take Dudchany, I think it's significant. There's only one road going to the villages above the blue line. Ukrainian forces would have control over it, therefore anything above the blue line would be cut from supply and would have to be abandoned. The significant layers of fortifications in the sector would also become bypassed.

All speculation, but Lyman was speculation for awhile until it become fact.

GM228

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693747#Comment_119693747

There will be a few foaming at the mouth with those links!