Russia - threadbanned users in OP

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695402#Comment_119695402

Speaking of new weapons, the Ukrainians report on telegram that they have found new Russian weapons that have never been reported on the internet:

🔥 Today, the guys from the Ukrainian special forces allowed to publish photos and documentation of a new trophy, which was captured at the positions of Russian troops, just for the readers of the channel of the international intelligence community @informnapalm.

This is a relatively new Russian development of a mine, about which there is actually no information on the Internet yet.

The OLA-8T marking indicates that its composition: octogen – 77%, aluminum – 8%, a compound (LD-70, polyacrylic polymer,

stabilizer) - 15%. The detonation speed is 8430 m/c at a density of 1.84 g/cm3.

These are far from the first relatively new and little-known Russian developments that the Ukrainian special forces managed to capture along with the documentation.

The Russian military sabotages the orders of their command and leaves the documents for new weapons intact and undamaged, some surrender and, under certain guarantees or wishes, tell where they found interesting gifts with documents.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695389#Comment_119695389

Are the orc's Russians equivalent of British black and tans ?

Absolute lugs thug's and exe cons....

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695427#Comment_119695427

Seems like its utility is more to instill psychological terror than in its actual use. Actually detonating such a weapon, especially in a limited conflict, seems like utter folly.

Gatling

@Igotadose If Crimea were to somehow stay part of RuSSia, I wouldn't expect it to be for very long. Maybe the UN will put in some mitigating efforts to keep the Ukrainians from reclaiming it, but maybe not..

What makes you think the UN would get involved they didn't get involved when ukraine was Invaded 8 years ago,and have done absolutely nothing for the past 8 months of the current invasion, nobody at the UN outside of a few basket cases reconise Crimea as Russian,the majority of the UN consider it occupied Ukrainian sovereign territory,

There will be no stopping of the Ukrainans from taking it back from occupation, especially now the Ukrainians backs are up and are continuing to roll Russian forces

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695273#Comment_119695273

You'd have to wonder though, is this being purposely leaked and are they fully aware of where it is. What better way to make think the Russians think they have the upper hand than let be known, falsely, that your enemy doesn't know where you are.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695459#Comment_119695459

Of course it is, the Russians are just beating their chests pretending they have some crazy weapon that in reality is a damp squib <<<<< 😛

EltonJohn69

Will the HIMARS make it difficult for russia to retake any of the territory it is loosing/stole ?

Qaanaaq

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119694645#Comment_119694645

I really think Ukraine needs to re-take Crimea now with all of the other occupied territory. If they wait until after the conflict is over then it will become much more complicated.

Wes M.

With more and more countries advising their citizens to get out of Russia post-haste, you get a real sense of Russia's inexorable isolation, as if another iron curtain is descending along the edges of Europe. Surely there must be overlords in the Kremlin thinking the country's future is better served as part of Europe than China, and the dubious company of N. Korea and Iran ? It's extraordinary to watch this play out so badly.

Hobgoblin11

a few more farms secured by the Ukrainians

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/3-october-ukrainian-military-in-shyikivka-of-kharkiv-region

DrumSteve

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695503#Comment_119695503

It's turning into a really large Jonestown

Crocodile Booze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695503#Comment_119695503

Probably only a matter of time before the evil goblin himself is suicided from a very high window.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695248#Comment_119695248

Even one of the talk show guys this weekend highlighted the absurdity of annexing four regions in the middle of a full blown war and where the front is changing on a daily basis (mainly the Russians retreating).

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695427#Comment_119695427

Yes, it's basically an underwater equivalent of an ICBM, except less detectable. Obviously it has to be nuclear powered. The Chinese supercavitating missile-torpedo and supposed submarine are even less credible.

I wonder whether it works better than the nuclear powered cruise missile that blew up in testing killing multiple engineers? That must have been a reall mess to decontaminate. Being Russia, they probably didn't bother and just moved to a new location.

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695489#Comment_119695489

When viewed on their own, no. HIMARS and its slower tracked relative, the M270 MLRS, are impressive systems but they share the vulnerability that all artillery systems have namely that when located without escort, they're basically toast. Their best defence is their mobility and the speed at which they can respond to a fire mission request, i.e. stop, set up, target, fire their salvo and then get the hell out.

However, when taken in concert with the way the Ukrainian Armed Forces have operated so far, their integrated, and highly effective command & control capabilities, battlefield awareness, access to intelligence, tactical abilities and the generally high level of both training and morale, the picture changes completely. Ukraine has, at least from what I've seen, proven extremely effective at employing the weapons systems at their disposal and in the hand of such an army, a system such as HIMARS is a major asset and a lethal enemy to go up against. Having said that, given their range, HIMARS and M270 are probably better utilised in going after staging areas and rear-echelon depots rather than providing fire support for front-line forces. Conventional artillery systems or mortars are probably better for the latter mission profile.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695493#Comment_119695493

Crimea's a big old chunk of land where pro-Russian sentiment is arguably more concentrated than other parts of Ukraine. I'm not saying Ukraine would be wrong in principle to push into Crimea, assuming they could put themselves in that position, but they'd really need to make some rational assessments before doing so. This push for Kherson has been a grinding one, and although breakthroughs have been made in the last days, it's been tough overall because of the defenses the Russians have apparently erected. So, one thing to ask would be what fortifications have the Russians placed in Crimea with the 8 years they've been there, and the 7 months since this phase of the conflict began? If Crimea promised to be a much longer version of the Kherson offensive, that'd give pause. If, on the other hand, the whole of the Russian military looked to be collapsing, fire away.

Secondly, it's one thing for Russia to see Crimea being attacked, but what of actually losing the territory, including Sevastopol? So far, I believe Ukraine have been pushing forward because Putin's nuclear threats appear hollow. Would they be hollow with respect to Crimea. I certainly don't know, but that's something that military intelligence would have to soberly look at.

The way this is going I wouldn’t be surprised if the way it ended was the army turning on Putin and ousting him. Seems more likely than a peoples Revolt at present IMO. How many times can he keep sacking the military top brass, must be at least some of them fed up with the midget.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119694894#Comment_119694894

Whether people like this fact or not is irrelevant, no matter what current sensibilities may have arisen during 2022. However, the majority of the people of the Crimea identify as ethnically Russian. Not "politically" Russian, ethnically Russian and they have done for many years. Just because khrushchev gifted the peninsula to a particular Soviet Republic in the 50's didn't mean that these people suddenly became "Ukrainian". Nor did they when the Ukraine took it over once it became an actual country in 1991. The Crimea is more Russian than it has ever been Ukrainian and it has always been that way, irrespective of Putin's silly war. The Ukrainians have never gotten above 25% of the population there. They are firmly, and always have been, a minority in the Crimea.

Raoul Duke III

Is there a map anywhere that contrasts the current state of the battlefield with the pre-February lines of control? I imagine the south is where the main Russian gains are still but would be interesting to see just how far the Ukrainians still have to push the enemy back to get back to that point.

Thanks in advance.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695285#Comment_119695285

Eh, more like 2-3 days if fired from the widest parts...

Hobgoblin11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695562#Comment_119695562

https://liveuamap.com/

see the red lines

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695559#Comment_119695559

The door closes behind you, and the window opens in front. Two muscular men stand by you, one on either side, and gesture to the window - 'right this way...'

EOQRTL

The screw begins to turn on Putin. A lot of hawks will be hovering to pick the carcass apart.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/two-putin-allies-ridicule-russias-war-machine-public-2022-10-03/

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695573#Comment_119695573

Thanks - useful.

So it looks like Ukraine is actually getting close to the pre-war frontlines in the east (which are presumably heavily fortified and would be very hard to break through) but Russia holds a large swathe of land in the south that was Ukrainian. Hard for us Irish to comprehend the vast distances and sq\km areas.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695522#Comment_119695522

You're the clown if you can't see the difference between a reliable source (ie an outlet or person with a proven track record) reporting a development that will probably prove more or less true versus some anonymous nobody saying Russia is getting its nuclear weapons ready and Ukrainians are being told where they can take shelter, or Xi Jinping is under house arrest, or Belarus, for the 500th time, is about to join the war.

It's not about "don't use Twitter as a source", it's about applying a tiny bit of critical thinking before dumping sensational rumours here.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695552#Comment_119695552

I agree, I think being overthrown by military or inner circle is more likely, but I suspect the young would then swiftly take to the streets to demand change. Many of the older generation seems genuine supporters.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695535#Comment_119695535

Annexing areas and losing control of them within days: as said before, if it wasn't so mired in tragedy it would be pure comedy.

The military seems in such disarray I just wonder is there any chance of them turning on the political class.

greenpilot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119694343#Comment_119694343

As do I. If I was a betting man, I'd wager that Kiev and possibly one or two of the distributors centres for arms on the Ukranian side of the Country.

There is a third unthinkable option that I've yet to see mooted, and it does not involve Nuclear weapons.

Arms for Ukraine enter the country from 3 areas, Poland and two other countries that have asked for anonymity. I'd say Romania is definitely one of them, given the C-130j and C17 traffic in the country, and possibly Turkey.

The whole thing is coordinated from an army barracks in Stuttgart, manned by a mixture of US, UK and Ukranian army logistical experts. Ukranian commanders contact the centre every morning with a "shopping list" of weapons and equipment, the centre arranges their procurement and shipment to one of the 3 centres and then it is up to Ukraine to get them across the border. The Ukranians in Poland drive to the airport just north of Rzeszow, load up the gear and then cross the border at points that ate different from the crossings used by humanitarian assets. Rzeszow is bristling with Patriot batteries at the moment, and it is in a NATO country, so Putins options are limited here, but, the question needs to be asked, could he strike or disrupt or damage in some way the centre in Germany, the airport in Poland or Romania, or the border crossings and distribution centres in Kiev, Odessa, on the Romanian border?

Supply chain is definitely going to be attacked in a big way. There are, despite some people rubbishing the idea, major movements in Brlarus and, more importantly, Kaliningrad..

If you were Putin, what would you do given the facts that I know you will certainly present in order to support your hypothesis...;)

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695302#Comment_119695302

Cardassians.

Treatment if prisoners.

Slave camps.

Corrupt regime.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119695605#Comment_119695605

Not to forget Putin has cancer and has two weeks to live, any day now.

Gas thing is if someone posted some rubbish Telegram link that was related to let's say Russian's gaining territory or having routed a Ukrainian unit you'd hear the same heads shout for a source/back up with evidence etc... (rightfully) yet we have posters putting up complete BS about nuclear weapons and when called out about it the coin flips.

It's beyond pathetic.