Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Gatling

3bn dollars up in flames

Richard Hillman

Basically what this guy said

https://twitter.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1578627369660608514?t=_n7A8wqlSu-g04ehWYPEfw&s=19

Basically what this guy says. They have lost rail transport

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716420#Comment_119716420

Anyone wanting out of Crimea now will have to use the Ferry service which they are apparently reactivating. This is what they used before the bridge.

I however wonder about the condition of those ferries given Russia’s stellar reputation for maintenance and safety. Are those ferries sea-worthy? Or will they dangerously overload the ferries with ancient tanks and sink them in thier panicked rush? Will the new conscripts even reach the frontline, or be killed by their nation’s incompetence before they get a chance to be killed by its humerus.

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716521#Comment_119716521

We will actually get more warning than you think if Russia was to use any kind of nuclear weapon. The concept of nuclear weapons constantly being ready to fire is a myth. Aside from behind the scenes communication in decision making, there is some necessary prep and mobilisation time that would be picked up by NATO satellites.

HalloweenJack

That was good start to the day. Should be a big setback for the Russians and keep them.busy for the time being.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119715239#Comment_119715239

When you refine a barrel of oil, you get more petrol from it than diesel, so diesel is a scarcer product, and it would normally be more costly, but the Greenie morons throughout Europe, especially our own John Gormley and every Taoiseach and finace minister since, decided that polluting the air and killing people was a good idea so far heavier excise penalties were put on petrol than diesel and on the taxes and charges applied to petrol vehicles. So throught Europe, and in particular here, most people bought diesels instead of petrol motivated cars.

So you have loads of petrol and far less diesel, while having far more diesels powered vehicles, making diesel scarce and petrol abundant, hence the recent swap in price disparity in favour of petrol, despite it still having a higher excise on it than diesel.

So it's improbable that petrol will face the same crunch as diesel. I'd imagine European refineries probably have for years had to ship all the surplus petrol to the US, where they aren't so thick when it comes to polution.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716594#Comment_119716594

That's what I was getting it when talking about NATO intelligence. There are a couple of points which still trouble me, however

• Not every nuclear weapon is a large one. Some are small enough and standardised enough to be launched using conventional, non-specialised gear.
• Does NATO know whether it knows where all of Russia's stockpiles are, and are confident to be able to keep track of all potential arms coming out of these locations?

If Putin were to use nuclear weapons, I imagine he'd want to give it the added psychological edge of it being a surprise, or at least as much of a surprise as it could be, given it's already being talked about as a possible course of action.

gandalf

I guess this means Ukraine will have to produce new stamps!

Richard Hillman

You are goosed if you are in Crimea now. As mentioned previously, they are already queueing for fuel. Food supply will be under threat now.

Even when Russia do fix the bridge. They will be now searching every car/truck going over it. Tailbacks for miles. People in Crimea trying to retreat to Russia.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716652#Comment_119716652

There is literally nobody here in category 2. Must try harder

gandalf

Crimea's position is untenable now for Russia. The main supply route is buggered, the only other rail route in is within all Ukrainian artillery assets and is likely already out of commission. The water supply to the peninsula will probably be cut off soon given the speed Ukraine are taking territory back.

Basically if your Russian and your in Crimea or the Southern part of Ukraine now you're buggered!

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119715964#Comment_119715964

Craggy island would stop the wave. It's all propaganda.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716686#Comment_119716686

It's early yet....

Richard Hillman

You'd wonder if the explosion was to coincide with the train full of fuel passing at the time. Seems very likely.

A lot of tech would have went into that. There are theories that there was a boat under the bridge or it was one of the cans that were passing in the video.

An unmanned boat, an unmanned truck? Elon Musk saying things this week that would have people questioning his support for Ukraine. Was it contrived? He's a clever man, he knew what reaction he would get.

A lot went into this and it doesn't seem like it was Ukraine alone.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716388#Comment_119716388

Old video posted here some time ago.

Supercell

Lol

https://twitter.com/grinningbamE/status/1578673595727089664?s=20&t=aVa-cbR6JQTvw6TCGH50Aw

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716594#Comment_119716594

Not if they're launched from a Sub.

I actually think Russia has barely any nuclear capability left. Those things cost a fortune to maintain. They can't be just stockpiled and left in a bunker waiting to be used. Russian military hardware has been poorly maintained, and given that Nukes are only really valuable as a deterrent they may very well have let the maintenance slip on the vast majority of their warheads with maybe only a handful operational bombs.

And if the Russians were to use those they'd be more useful to blow up a chunk of uninhabited tundra to 'prove' that they still have capability and to remind the world of how devastating those weapons can be.

zv2

More-

https://twitter.com/VeselijSoldat/status/1578685603943546880?s=20&t=rI26PUmm06otbxl0QWcVDQ

GM228

Trying to weight up the bigger insult to Putin, the bridge or the sinking of the Moskva? Possibly joint favourites.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716740#Comment_119716740

I think the bridge is the biggest insult they literally just cut off Crimea from Russia,this was putins vanity project

josip

The road bridge has only collapsed in one of the 2 directions, although presumably damaged in the other

https://twitter.com/LlopisMarta95/status/1578658740848693249

And the rail part, although badly charred, is still standing and capable of holding the weight of the train so may not be structurally compromised.

So although, we would all love the bridge to be completely out of action, it might still be able to operate at a reduced capacity. If not immediately, perhaps after necessary inspections/repairs have been done.

From the scorch markings on the rail pillars, my money is on a single explosion in the truck, that caused a fire on the train. I wonder was the bomb that big that it solely caused the explosion or was it a small bomb on a munitions truck. It doesn't look like a fuel truck. I doubt if Ukraine employ any suicide truck bombers and I would be surprised if they placed a bomb on a civilian truck.

Any ideas on the contents of the train carriages? Although they are on fire, none of them exploded so I don't think they contain petroleum products. It does look like the bomb was remotely detonated though to occur when the train was beside. Too much of a co-incidence. I think that requires real time satellite intel from NATO ?

The night time video showing a van reaching a steep incline in a bridge and then an explosion… is that an old video?

There doesn’t seem to be any incline in the day time videos showing the destruction.

zv2

Isn't one carriageway of the bridge still passable?

GM228

Possibly more Hybrid Warfare?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1578685708759228416?t=PdVllCB6HEEDMsMiy32sWA&s=19

GM228

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716765#Comment_119716765

Despite the rail bridge still standing it is likely structurally compromised, between the shock wave of the blast and the intense heat from the fire I wouldn't fancy being on anything going over it, especially something carrying heavy machinery, it may be standing now, but also very possible to collapse in due course especially when the fire is out and the temperature changes once more.

GM228

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1578664183100571648?t=4mGyu9vrJlmm3ZR1NwMPYw&s=19

"A queue at a gas station before entering Kerch in Crimea after reports of the suspension of traffic on the Crimean bridge as a result of an emergency"

GM228

https://twitter.com/jacklosh/status/1578664084824002560?t=1uS9hYFNpZVHIo5t7_B2gw&s=19

Roll on Christmas 🎅

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716767#Comment_119716767

Cameras tend to compress perspective and make inclines look much steeper.

GM228

With all the talk of the Kerch bridge it may have been overlooked that the Russian Rashist freight depot and railway lines in Ilovaisk were attacked at the same time:-

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1578663007546023936?t=E1lAM2yoPMMyEpqpyCwGag&s=19

That's two primary Russian supply methods taken out together.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716735#Comment_119716735

Having watched numerous videos of blasts in the past, I'm always amazed by the amount of people who watch and film inicidents like this through a glass window. Massive secondary explosions aren't uncommon.