Russia - threadbanned users in OP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808382#Comment_119808382

Look, I think we gathered from previous discussions that you areSwiss and we know what they did in WW2, allow the banking system, facilitate the robbery of the wealth of all the European Jews.

We also saw what happened after Chamberlain made piece with Hitler and allowed the annexation of the Sudetenland stand. We saw what happened when Hitler and Stalin agreed to split Poland. When you allow an aggressor annex sovereign territory without any justification they just come back for more later. The only way WW3 is the outcome of this is of appeasement of Russia is allowed

Hobgoblin11

https://t.me/Novoeizdanie/28635

Suspected underwater drone was destroyed near Sevastopol

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808431#Comment_119808431

The point I was responding to was the idea that peace is preferable to war.

You implicitly acknowledge this when you say NATO membership is needed as an outcome.

I think they need to get Russia back to 2014 borders. Membership of NATO by Ukraine accepted by Russia as per the NATO Russia Founding Act. And if Russia is to retain Crimea it also must be subject to that Act in terms of forces deployed if not more restrictions such that it can not be used as a staging post for invasion. Ditto for Belarus. All marine resources of Crimea stay Ukranian. All abducted Ukranians returned.

Russian assets retained as reparations.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119806957#Comment_119806957

**** I’d rather go back to picking up coins with chopsticks

Polar101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808166#Comment_119808166

No evidence provided, and a Russian government source. The chances of it being true do not seem to be very high.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808187#Comment_119808187

Why is demanding control of your internationally recognized sovereign territory, dick waving?

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808400#Comment_119808400

The iodine pills of our day

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808526#Comment_119808526

It was diplomatically correct for a neutral state to send condolences on the death of a foreign leader.

Condolences =/= profiteering on the misery of others

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808417#Comment_119808417

Yeah, Russia can’t even mount a coherent invasion of areas of Ukraine they already occupied, what makes you think they could manage anything beyond that. They are quick to use the thread of nukes but even they know they are severely over matched there also and while the use of them would cause massive loss of life elsewhere, but would result in extermination of Russia.

And China, they are playing Russia for fools, setting Russia up by pretending to back them leading to overextension and hubris resulting in eventual collapse if the Russian federation leading to the emergence of Chinese hegemony in Central asia and Siberia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808526#Comment_119808526

You really think Switzerland have less to be ashamed of and more to be proud of over their behaviour in WW2? F*chin hell. Not very aware of reality are we now

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808526#Comment_119808526

We’ve certainly learned our lesson, and won’t be offering condolences on Putin’s death.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808546#Comment_119808546

I learned some time ago, any negotiation with China, they have to appear to win. No question they're playing Putler, the PLA could easily waltz into western Siberia and annex a few thousand sq. miles. Surely, with ethnic Chinese there being oppressed by the Russian government, there's precedent. /s

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808093#Comment_119808093

When peace comes with extermination of citizens, abduction of children and subjugation, no it isn't. As a nation, we have definitely learned that.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808201#Comment_119808201

Its questionable because they should not be legitimising the camps by engaging with them. Its not an easy position to be in, but they are in essence facilitating the abduction of Ukrainian citizens. I don't think its black and white, but their presence absolutely gives an air of legitimacy to them.

Gatling

@[Deleted User] As we say in Lausanne : “Check yourself before you wreck yourself.”....

What an absolute spoofer,

Nobody in Lausanne or anywhere else in Switzerland says that...

It's a quote from an icecube song which was famously quoted by in a media report by Aidan Aslin aka cossack gundi while fighting isis in Syria now famously of the Ukrainian Marines captured by the Russians in Mariupol recently Freed from captivity...

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808187#Comment_119808187

No it isn't. Its his belief, and the reason he invaded Ukraine in the first place.

Besides, even if it was, "you don't deserve to exist and you only exist because I allow it" is not a negotiating position you could ever possibly come to terms with. Its akin to me telling you you owe me a million quid and you saying you don't and me suggesting we negotiate and meet in the middle.

Jackiebt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808111#Comment_119808111

What's telling is that you take everything you read or watch as truth and lacking any propaganda. How can anyone state that "there is no NATO culpability" is beyond me. This conflict really started in April, 2008, at the nato Summit in Bucharest, where afterward nato issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of nato. The Russians made it unequivocally clear at the time that they viewed this as an existential threat, and they drew a line in the sand. The levels of propaganda from both sides in this conflict are unprecedented, and it seems they have really done a job on you.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808618#Comment_119808618

If the UK said they were drawing a line in the sand about our continued membership of the EU would that make it ok for them to invade us if we ignored them?

(this is ignoring the fact that Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO, and all this has done is accelerate the likelihood of that event)

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808154#Comment_119808154

I asked you a question about how you can reconcile with supporting the rape of children etc and you did everything to avoid answering the question. So back to Orwell road or whatever location your handlers have located you in. No decent person could hold the stance of supporting the actions you openly support.

TheValeyard

Great result for thr Ukrainians with that successful sea drone attack on the Russian Navy.

Jackiebt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808648#Comment_119808648

Not a great comparison. Firstly, the EU is not a military force spearheaded by our biggest rivals of more than 70 years. You don't need to imagine a scenario to make your point, look at the last time we came close to Nuclear war, the Cuban missile crisis. If the Russians spearheaded a military collective similar to NATO and decided to invite Mexico, which in turn would eventually facilitate the setting up of missiles on the US border then yes the Americans would most definitely warn the Mexicans against joining and invade if they were ignored.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808154#Comment_119808154

I am committed that we support Ukraine until Ukraine decides they do not want to fight anymore. There is close to zero support in Ukraine for a ceasefire or negotiations that fall short of returning their land and citizens.

Igotadose

No surprise, RuSSia exiting the grain deal.

The Russian Defense Ministry said Saturday that Moscow has moved to suspend its implementation of a U.N.-brokered grain deal which has seen more than 9 million tons of grain exported from Ukraine and has brought down global food prices.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-government-and-politics-3b563bd6f79f815c7e9f33505dd25334

Curious_Case

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808618#Comment_119808618

My feeling is that the NATO membership issue was always a red herring.

Russia was so afraid a war might start that it started a war.

and/or

The Kremlin always intended to reform the USSR and would only be able to do so if the candidates for invasion were not NATO members.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808708#Comment_119808708

No.

Once Chernobyl happened and the scales fell away from the eyes of the 200 million Comrades, the Soviet Union was utterly doomed.

Blame for any consequences of disorderly break-up in the former SSRs may be entirely laid at the door of every Politburo from Stalin to Gorbachev.

The West were quite content to live alongside the Glasnost era USSR and further de-power the nuclear stockpiles, but what happened in the USSR and Warsaw pact was simply the tumbling of a house of cards.

What Putin is attempting to do now, in his own absolutely stark staring mental way, is lead people to the promised land of renewed glory days that never actually existed.

Bit like Brexit in a T-90 tank.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808578#Comment_119808578

It has always been one of the tenets of the ICRC to visit places of detention, or where Civilians are held, regardless of the circumstances, or who is holding them. There is a whole department in the ICRC devoted to that sole issue. It's one of their most important functions as a humanitarian organization.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808618#Comment_119808618

You are presupposing Russia's false statements of paranoia have any legitimacy or that there is some reason third parties are obliged to humour them. Russia has no rights to dictate to other countries; what Russia said, when, is irrelevant, it doesn't justify anything anymore than it magically confers rights.

What Russia have done is inexcusable and has no legitimate justification.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119808688#Comment_119808688

Ukraine are not, and were not close to being, in NATO.

The US also did not invade Cuba in response to the Cuban missile crisis.

Russia have removed troops from their border with the soon-to-be NATO country of Finland.

You do not have to use supposition to understand Russia's actual reasoning. They are very forthright about it.

Hobgoblin11

Moscow called the UN Security Council to convene after suspending its participation in the grain agreement

https://twitter.com/alarabiya_brk/status/1586384620458856449

there's not a grain of truth in agreement

cnocbui

"Russia stops participating in the "grain agreement" - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

"Moscow stops participating in the implementation of the "grain agreement" after the terrorist attack carried out by the Kiev regime with the participation of British specialists against the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and civilian ships," the official report said.

Ukraine has not signed any "grain agreements" with Russia. The signatories are Russia, Turkey and the United Nations.

And Ukraine has not signed any agreements with Russia, because it understands that it almost never complies with its obligations.

Therefore, we expect the reaction of the signatories - Presidential Spokesperson Nikiforov

I never thought the grain deal would be honoured for long.