Russia - threadbanned users in OP

ArtyM

Just reading a report of a Battalion of Russian conscripts basically wiped out in a sustained attack by Ukraine forces.

I hope I never see any videos of the aftermath of this, it sounds like absolute carnage.

Here is an excerpt from a surviving soldier's report

"We were dumped into the forest and ordered to entrench; we had only three shovels for the battalion, and there was no support at all. We entrenched as best we could, and in the morning the [Ukrainian] attack started. [Ukrainian forces used] artillery, Grad MLRS, mortars and copters; we were just shot.

When it all started, the officers immediately ran away. In between the attacks, we tried to entrench, but the copters immediately spotted us and just shot us. Out of 570 people, 29 managed to survive, 12 more were wounded, and the rest are all dead".

The crazy thing is that the location they sent them to was the same location where a previous Battalion had suffered a similar fate.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/5/7375139/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841036#Comment_119841036

You’ve more faith in what western sanctions can achieve than I

Wibbs

Talks are going to happen. It's just a question of when and what will be on the table when they do and there will be compromise.

IMHO unless something radically changes Crimea isn't on the table. Whatever about the feelings of people living in Crimea were before 2014, it's far more Russified now. Ukraine see Crimea as a "This is the extreme of what we want, but we'll settle for X". The two most easterly Donbas parts are likely to remain in Russian hands or part of a DMZ buffer. The land bridge between Donbas and Ukraine is IMHO the area of "wriggle room" and that will be settled militarily more than politically. If Ukraine can force the Russians back towards Donbas and Crimea they'll likely get that back. If the Russians can hold it, I doubt they will.

Again unless something radially changes Russia's fúcked. It couldn't take the country, couldn't force regime change, Odessa and beyond is firmly in the rear view mirror, and that's just in the war. Beyond the war Russia's badly wounded politically and economically, the EU, where the vast majority of their pipelines ran to, the stuff that earns them money, is turning away from them. The US gets to watch them look like the military giant they aren't and for a bargain basement price with no US soldiers dead. India and China balance both sides, but are only too happy to see a weakened Russia too. Russia was a mid level member of the BRICS, since Ukraine it's slid down. China, India and Brazil's economies are bigger.

RoyalCelt

After the Ukrainian counter attacks we we're all wondering what was next. Now in hindsight we know. It was a massive Russian counter attack that's cost the lives of thousands for a few hundred metres of ground. They're throwing everything at Bakhmut and a few other settlements for some badly needed gains before winter. Could be another month or two before they let up for winter.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840885#Comment_119840885

So the playbook for all assho cuntries out there then becomes, invade neighbour, steal children, swap children back in return for occupied territory.

Can you envision any problems making that behaviour acceptable?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841142#Comment_119841142

Of course I can. It’s a crappy situation of Russias making.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840638#Comment_119840638

Article doesn't mention the US were negotiating with terrorists. The Taliban are not a terrorist organization in the eyes of the US.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841114#Comment_119841114

I'm not sure Crimea is as clear cut as you suggest. It is regarded by the entire international community as illegally occupied by the Russian fascist state. Very hard to imagine how it can move from that (especially after nine months of war in Ukraine) to anyone ever accepting it as legally part of Russia. The regime have hammered home the point this year with their war that the original occupation in 2014 was 100% illegal.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841041#Comment_119841041

I read a report that 500 mobilized convicts have been killed so far.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841114#Comment_119841114

If the war ends Russia will lose Crimea. There will be a lot of angry Ukrainians there and it won't be a comfortable place for Russians. They will have to leave. It's like if we get a united Ireland - where will the unionists go? There'll be a lot of republicans up there doing dirty work on them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841403#Comment_119841403

“It's like if we get a united Ireland - where will the unionists go? There'll be a lot of republicans up there doing dirty work on them.”

What drugs are you on? Are you Irish? Stop spouting infantile rubbish.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840673#Comment_119840673

Ah we're getting somewhere at last and some idea of what you consider to be workable - so you say let's just forget it chaps - we'll go back to where we were in January this year and the two boyos should swallow their pride. As if it was just a drunken punch up after a few vodkas too many and they can just shake hands.

Utter tripe.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841403#Comment_119841403

In Donbas yes and across the stolen land bridge I'd be surprised if there were in fact "a lot" of angry Ukrainians in Crimea. Since 2014 how many resistance attacks have happened in Crimea? Genuine question. I don't recall too many if any.

I'd be willing to bet that Crimea won't be Ukrainian again after this war is over. Maybe in the future, but even then... Donbas will be another Ulster for Russia only worse and if they do keep the landbridge parts even worse again.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841538#Comment_119841538

There has been a lot of trouble in the south including the incendiary attack in Odesa. I think Crimea would become like the north was during the troubles. I can't see Russians being happy there, especially the ones that moved in recently. As for N. Ireland, there is still a lot of bitterness and resentment there. It is very easy for nationalists to stir up trouble. And there are plenty of people here who don't want the Brits. in Ireland. When there is resentment among the people it is easy to stir things up until it becomes conflict. This is the kind of social unease that often precedes conflict. The war in Bosnia came suddenly and as a shock to many, but there you have it...it is now getting tense again with this licence plate business in Kosovo - licence plates? starting a war? Possible.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841435#Comment_119841435

Mary Lou McDonald is openly saying 'Brits. out'. What does that mean?

Hobgoblin11

Blackout in Kherson after explosion at Beryslav-Kakhovka power line

Kherson is on the front line of this war

https://twitter.com/bylbyleva/status/1589242490342678529

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841538#Comment_119841538

If Crimea remains under Russian control into the future, it will forever be a 'pariah region' and not recognised by anyone. There was nothing legal about the way the jurisdiction came under Russian control - it was invaded by a criminal and terrorist state (the fact that a fair number of local Putin regime supporting zealots were in favour of the invasion is neither here nor there).

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841581#Comment_119841581

There are numerous riots and mutinies happening among the Orcs protesting conditions, poor equipment but mostly is that they are not receiving their supposed sign up bonus nor high rate of pay, and that is not going down well.

Mobiks are being sent to Belarus to make preparations of bases and they are suffering wholly unsanitary conditions, leading to wholesale incapacitation due to serious illnesses and they are having to hurriedly find and send medical workers from Russia to try and deal with the situation.

In one video I might upload, an entire camp surrounds a general's tent all yelling protests about conditions and lack of pay. When said general emerges, he's clearly drunk and unsure of what to do, then clears off. The others coming out of his tent seem drunk also.

This mobilisation is a disaster, before even getting to the rate of attrition they are suffering when they get to actually being consumed by the Ukrainian meat grinder.

The Bakhmut direction is one of the hottest on the eastern front. Katsaps attack Ukrainian positions day and night in any weather. But the fighters of the 30th OMB, together with their comrades, reliably hold the defense and inflict insane losses on the enemy. ✊

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841435#Comment_119841435

Nothing childish about it. Tribalism is humanity. We Irish will be no different.

Burning effigies of Catholics and tricolours won't have a place in a UI. They'll either be burnt out or they'll be on a boat back to Scotland.

Thinking 'this time it'll be different' is whats childish and naive tbh.

ArtyM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841581#Comment_119841581

At the rate they are losing tanks and vehicles, they might be needing the remaining Ladas for the front line soon

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841689#Comment_119841689

The cause of wars is always symbology.

It may be dressed up as other things, but it comes down to symbols. All men have doors and buildings and altars and flagpoles.

The only difference is what sits atop them and the fight to put it there.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119842011#Comment_119842011

It can take only a single incident to set off a conflict, as in WW1. But that is only on the face of it. In real terms tensions can be building for years or decades and one incident can translate these tensions into physical conflict. There's no telling how the modern world will go because it is full of tensions of all kinds. They stormed the Capitol building last year. Who could have imagined this would happen? The world has become as unpredictable as the weather because there is too much energy in it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841734#Comment_119841734

You think Nationalists are going to take revenge attacks on Protestants… ridiculous. They’ve largely been getting on fine for the last 25 years, and the nationalists have been running the place. The early 1900s called and want their bigotry back.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841904#Comment_119841904

And why aren’t they holding them to account now? What would be different? Pathetic.

Open a thread on it can’t ye, see how your opinions will be treated.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841041#Comment_119841041

Well that story is clearly bollocks.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119842209#Comment_119842209

You're asking what would be the difference between a UI and the current protestant statelet?

You're either clueless or being deliberately obtuse.

RoyalCelt

Someone put it very well on twitter. Before mobilisation it was like a long range match of football in the Donbass. Since it's become a close range brawl.

It feels like fighting hasn't been this intense since the battle for Mariupol except this time it feels hopeless for the Russian attackers.

Putin is one sick fucker if he keeps throwing waves of untrained Russians at these lines.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119842258#Comment_119842258

These Russian conscript lads are also becoming victims of Putin in this conflict. The bast*rd knows what he’s doing…throw poorly trained cannon fodder at the Ukrainians to use up their bullets and mentally wear them down.

No doubt there will be troops in the AFU who’ll go through PTSD for the rest of their lives for having to mow down wave after wave of these poor sods. Putin & Co. couldn’t care less so long as the end result serves them.

Hobgoblin11

Occupation authorities (dam busters) announced mandatory evacuation in Beryslav, Kherson region. Residents should leave before 10th November

https://t.me/suspilnekherson/18565

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119842246#Comment_119842246

Fair few sources and Reddit posts reporting the same thing. Hundreds of Mobiks wiped out.