Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044595#Comment_120044595

Also, the kind of forces Belarus can offer are tiny compared to what Russia are already fielding. Add to that the armor they have to offer in the fight is of the same (crappy) vintage as what Russian already have to work with.

The only “advantage” I could see is possibility morale-related, so that the Russians don’t feel so alone in this fight.

Lukashenko knows damn well that his small army are part of what keeps him in power. Throw them into the meat grinder will mean that all bets are off.

zv2

More fire-

https://twitter.com/nojaydenx/status/1608546072992911365?s=20&t=g_wnymbGJzHQdVxaqjwlHg

zv2

"The Russians are captured in gangs without even understanding what's going on!

Were you thinking of marching through Ukraine?"

https://twitter.com/NathanG2g2/status/1608505171583049729?s=20&t=g_wnymbGJzHQdVxaqjwlHg

Sounds like they just walked off the battlefield.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120035594#Comment_120035594

No chance of that

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120041825#Comment_120041825

Yes, unfortunately, a dictatorship often ends with a 'small victorious war'. Ukraine's "special military operation" for Putin was just a political show designed to ensure that he stays in power for longer, by stoking the imperialist sentiment in Russia and by removing a democratic regime which could serve as an example.

Russia cannot win this war. But Putin has already won -- he is staying in power, his critics in Russia are silenced, his power over any Russian citizen is larger than that of any czar -- anyone can be thrown into the jail or drafted into the military.

What Putin wants next? Obviously, a "peace" with Ukraine giving up territories. Then Putin can declare an intermediate victory, while preparing for a larger war in 2-3 years.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044720#Comment_120044720

Putin has the least control of any leader of Russia from the Soviet era, the Tsarist approach was more chaotic but a decent stab at brutal control and gifted at keeping people in mind numbing poverty.

Putin will continue to move towards more control, I suspect his replacement will role it right back to Soviet era levels of control and cohesion.

Xi in China is leading the way on how that can be done, within the framework of the modern world.

The defeat has to leave no gain for Russia.

Gatling

Looks like discussions in the US about giving Ukraine M2 Bradley fighting vehicles , if this comes to fruition and the US sends realitive modem armored vehicles other countries could follow suit,not so sure main battle tanks but modern IFVs could be a game changer for the Ukrainans infantry units ...

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1608562430409601027?s=20&t=vvkAfEimBZwVBdIlZxejEQ

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044206#Comment_120044206

Don't confuse wishful thinking with proper tactical predictions.

Say my name

https://twitter.com/nigroeneveld/status/1608570140962197504?t=PIkUEl5Kwz7hbFRPxmHLMA&s=19

The Grim Reaper was due to take Vladimir but took Alexei instead.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044720#Comment_120044720

But Putin is now a pariah leader and Russia identified as a pariah state (perhaps even more isolated than North Korea). Goodness knows what sort of a future the country has if the tyrant remains in power. He has burned all his bridges with the West and will never be able to re-enter the international fold. 2022 wasn't a minor blip for the Russian Federation - it was the mafia state deciding to permanently withdraw from the international community.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044904#Comment_120044904

There's lads on here saying Russia is winning and that peace talks are happening....

But they are looking for a little attention like you or just plain fools

victor8600

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044998#Comment_120044998

Of course, but does the international condemnation matter much to the bunker rat? At the moment, russians still harbour illusions that they are not in a deep hole -- after all, the fighting takes places in Ukraine, it's the Ukrainian citizens forced to spend the winter without heat or power, and it's Ukrainian children that were kidnapped in thousands. Putin can still preset the war as a win. He should not be allowed to do this.

The West should start building massive armaments facilities and give Ukraine everything is asks, tanks, ammo, planes and rockets. The longer the war drags, the more Ukraine as a society becomes damaged. I really don't want Ukraine to become Syria. The West must do everything to help Ukraine win as fast and as comprehensively as possible. If it means that Ukraine establishes a 500km no-fly zone around its borders, then that is what needs to be done.

Polar101

https://twitter.com/rferl/status/1608542520555749380

Interview with an Ukrainian artillery crew who are using an ex-Estonian howitzer.

Dubh Geannain

It seems Russian air defence in Crimea shot down 3-4 of the missiles that were launched from the Black Sea today. They also shot down one of their own fighter jets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gZyI8EUhqQ

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044713#Comment_120044713

Some of the lucky ones......🙂

Hobgoblin11

Biden admin is discussing sending Bradley Fighting Vehicles to Ukraine. "Bradleys would provide a major increase in ground combat capability because it is, in effect, a light tank," one analyst says

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1608562430409601027

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045279#Comment_120045279

Do you read the thread much?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045284#Comment_120045284

Not the first time either 😉

Hobgoblin11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045284#Comment_120045284

scoop !

swiwi_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045108#Comment_120045108

Who is this west you speak of? Does it include Ireland? Are the people of Ireland prepared to pay a levy or tax to fund this? Or do you mean the US +\- countries like France and the UK but Ireland will provide support via boards comments? I fully support Ukraine but it’s basically the US funding this. These kind of comments are a bit pie in the sky unless there’s finance behind it. And government finance needs a funding source. Such as tax or levies.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044904#Comment_120044904

Ah a new fresh account claiming to be an expert have arrived,i guess peace is the only option for you,right

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120044766#Comment_120044766

Might it be a case of Ru winning some battles but ends up losing the war. For example , some on here are saying that the Ru people have never protested against Ru leaders, eg Putin, in sufficient numbers to topple a leader. Just because it has not happened in the past does not mean that it will not happen in the future. Ru are now much more informed than in the past , especially because of ICT. This is the first time that such a very high number of body bags are coming back since the First World War and it is impossible for Putin to ruffle these figures down to an acceptable level. Remember the Kursk submarine mothers. And remember the recent uprising in Iran initiated/lead by women. All of this knowledge is there and all it needs is a spark of a ‘certain voltage’ to get it going.

there is always a FIRST TIME

zv2

Smart move-

https://twitter.com/IurasVictor/status/1608764143255060480?s=20&t=qurD-lQ0CAGrHbsFm1FrXA

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045593#Comment_120045593

The West isn’t just the US and Ireland. I’m guessing you know this, but you wouldn’t think it from your post.

No, there won’t be a specific levy/tax for the Ukraine war in Ireland or ANY country… that’s preposterous.

The WEST is indeed very supportive of Ukraine and anti Russia. This support covers weapon supplies and imposing sanctions to their own detriment… India on the other hand is soaking up cheap Russian oil.

The US are spending piddling amounts of money (relatively speaking) defeating Russia… they won’t complain about depleting Russian military ability at such a low cost by proxy.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120043864#Comment_120043864

The war where Russia had its arse kicked in multiple naval engagements but came out of the peace negotiations with good terms because the Japanese ran out of steam? Yeah great example of Russia losing better than the winner. Read your own link on the Japanese publics reaction to the outcome of that war

Then there's the lad who thinks the Russian lost their empire after WW1, consult of some maps of Russian territory from 1919 to 1990. Even now, the Russians still hold all off their empire thats east of Moscow.

Needs to be dismantled and walloping them on a battlefield in Ukraine wont finish the job. There'll always be leaders in the west who will want to compromise and keep Russia together, like Macron

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120045990#Comment_120045990

Jesus, where to even start with all of that.

”Good terms?” The Russians lost their major foothold in China, most of Salakin island, pretty much most of their pacific fleet. Nicolas egged on the war regardless of how bad it was going hoping that they’d eventually win out (sound familiar?) and succeeded in emboldening Japan’s imperial ambitions. Finally, it started the disintegration for the Russian royalty that was finished off by WWI. (Which was a disaster for them too). I’d hate to see what “Bad Terms” look like if these were “Good”.

What’s more, the Russian Federation is a mere shadow of what the Russian Empire / USSR used to be. It used to contain Finland, Alaska, and pretty much everything on the Asian steppes. All of which are now independent or part of other countries. The modern Russian state is trying it’s best to grip onto what is left of that legacy by use of force, or by keeping despots in office.

Time has not been kind on Russia, and unless they can turn themselves around soon, they are in for worse times to come.

The laughing stock of a “country” Belarus has some neck complaining about a defence missile falling on their side of the border. No issue with Russian missiles flying next to/possibly inside their border. Allowing Russia attack Ukraine through their country?

Even the Kremlin are “worried” about the incident. Bizzaro world stuff.

The biggest surprise to me here is that Ukraine still has embassy staff in Belarus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64122632

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120046167#Comment_120046167

Also add that most territories east of Moscow, or specifically north-east, are very sparsely populated.

You’re not likely to see much change there. The more populated areas south of it have mostly become independent, or attempted to by force like Chechnia.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120046045#Comment_120046045

You might want to start editing the wikipedia article that you linked to then, because its telling a different story, the one that actually happened where Russia had a disasterous war but still came out of the peace negotiations without conceding much. Care to explain why the Japanese public rioted when they found out what the terms of the treaty were?

Here's a timeline video of Russias borders: pay attention to the end of world war 1 to the end of world war 2 and try tell me they that they lost their empire after ww1. Russia collapsed completely in 1991 and still held onto the vast majority of their territory and managed to keep most of their fromer soviet states in their orbit. Actually remarkable, and it was done with the help of the west.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lHLwP6RUug

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120046434#Comment_120046434

The countries that broke away from Russia and managed to join the EU did very well. Some were dirt poor and couldn’t fully escape the black hole that is Russia. Surely you didn’t expect the EU to invite the likes of the Stans into their community.

History wise (on a timescale of decades) Russia is in its death throes.

You’re trying to admire something that’s not really there.